RWBY Fight: Neopolitan vs Penny Polendina

These two girls are fighting to the death.

Morals on, but willing to kill

No knowledge

No prep

Fight takes place in the same place Qrow and Winter fought

Who wins and why?

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Penny

Neo

@hewho: @cadencev2: And why?

I thought we were just giving one-word answers.

I would give it to Neo because she's more skilled. Her fighting style seems to favor using the opponent's momentum against them so as to decrease their strength advantage (ala Ruby and Yang). She's probably one of the quickest characters on the show in terms of combat speed and her illusions are a game breaker. She seems to be grouped up with Emerald and Mercury, who are easily on Pyrrha's level, who is in turn on Penny's level.

@arathorn_ii: Neo is a overrated fighter who relies on agrees I ever foes to attack her in the traditional sense. She only beat Yang due to being paper to Yangs rock. Against Ruby she not only did not do to hot, but was defeated, and Ruby was at a disadvantage fighting her way through Grimm, as well Torchwick backing Neo.

Penny will win this becuase Neo is not that impressive as seen, and Penny has a very unique fighting style that Neo cannot counter really. Add to this it is impossible to KO Penny and I doubt Neo's little sword will damage Penny either. Also Neo is close range fighter, where Penny can fight fine at distance.

Penny, as she simply has more impressive feats than Neo. As mentioned above, Neo beating Yang was a matter of paper beats rock.

@cadencev2: In what world did Neo not do to hot against Ruby? She was casually evading her whenever they fought one-on-one and disarmed her without much trouble. And Neo was only defeated to to PIS from not just instantly stabbing Ruby and letting her press the button to open her parasol.

@hewho: in what world you think she did as well against Ruby as she has against Yang? Ruby was already in a major battle with Grimm, and fought a two on one fight against Torchwick and Neo. Nothing PIS of Ruby coming out on top.

You still failed to show how she beats Penny who fights nothing like Yang and Ruby, has the superior range ability to Neo, or how can attack from many angles, nor you showed a solid reason that Neo is same level as Mercury or Cinder other than "she hangs out with them." Really?!

@cadencev2: And her being in a battle with others means that Neo did poorly against her? I guess gangs jumping individuals means that each gang member was doing poorly somehow? She didn't fight two-on-one as much as she was getting busted up without landing a single hit.

Nothing PIS about Neo just standing there and not killing Ruby when she had the chance???

Like I said, Neo is portrayed to be as their equal. She's a close combat specialist and has shown to come out on top against some of the faster characters in the series? Penny certainly out-muscles Neo and most other characters, but her range would get countered with Neo's illusions which she's capable of using over and over.

@hewho: Neo not stabbing Ruby right away is more CIS than PIS. She was clearly waiting for Torchwick to finish his evil gloating, if Neo was on her own she would have killed Ruby right away, as she almost did to Yang; since shes a woman of little no words.

@strictlyanime: Well i could never really distinguish the two of those ...

@hewho: Wow, did you even watch the same fight as me?

Before the fight, Ruby was fighting Griffins, and breathing heavy from the effort alone in that. So Ruby is clearly winded from battling already. Then Neo and Torchwick both team up on Ruby at the same time while Ruby is clearly already tired. In fact Torchwick help Neo more than anything, as seen Ruby was never once counter attacked and Neo could not attack Ruby at all on her own till Torchwick help her, and together they both still failed to KO or BFR Ruby.

She didn't fight two-on-one as much as she was getting busted up without landing a single hit.

Im not sure what fight you were watching, maybe you were high at the time :/

@cadencev2: Yes, and how does that demonstrate that Neo did poorly? It doesn't. Neo owned her as she should have.

Ruby never once counterattacked? Then what was Neo dodging during the fight? You're misreading the fight in a big way and way overrating how Ruby did.

If I was high, then you need to get the stuff I'm on because not being high is not helping you comprehend what happened in that fight!

@cadencev2: I'm gonna have to agree with @hewho here. In the fight you're showing, Ruby is clearly attacking Neo, who avoids everything without breaking a sweat and without help from Roman. Later in the fight, Neo effectively fights Ruby alone and disarms her, again without any help from Roman. If anything, Roman just knocks her back Crescent Rose which isn't helping a lot. In the whole fight, Roman only fires two shots and smacks her once. Neo does a lot more. The reason why Neo is ''defeated'' is, as @strictlyanime has pointed out, pure CIS because she's waiting for Roman to finish his monologue. I fail to see how this fight isn't a rock solid feat for Neo. It looks a lot like you're trying to low ball Neo here.

I disagree that Neo owned Ruby (But I also agree neo didn't do poorly as well). Prior to Torchwick showing up we don't see Neo landing hits on Ruby, or vice-versa. Logically with Torchwicks presence Ruby would have to divide her attention between Torchwick and Neo. Ruby did get disarmed, which is a good feat for Neo. However I don't think it would have been impossible for Ruby to recover her scythe with her speed.

I also think people are missing the fact that Torchwick did create opening for neo. Like at 1:25 of the above video Neo was landing hits because Ruby was getting back up from Torchwick blasting her. Likewise at 1:43 Ruby was charging Torchwick but Neo leapt over Torchwick to blindside Ruby. I can see how Neo may have been portrayed as a bit better but Ruby did have a few disadvantages in the fight. I think it was a good feat for them both IMO.

That is Neo's character. She has always been arrogant. She toyed with Yang as well. You can argue that Ruby didn't win because she was the better fighter but she did win by outsmarting Neo.

Personally I think this can go either way. Penny did hold her own with Pyrrha but I think Pyrrah might have been a bit distracted with the whole maiden thing that was going on. And I would say Neo is comparable to Pyrrha in skill and agility so she can probably dodge Penny's attacks and out maneuver her, plus there is her semblance that makes her harder to hit. However Penny has far more strength and destructive capability so Neo needs to be careful.

As Jashro stated, Torchwick played a huge role in that fight. Neo had all 5 seconds of fight time by herself against a already battle tired Ruby, and Neo did not land a hit once. Thats the issue lol.

Also CIS does not override In Character. Neo in character always plays with her foes and leaves openings, that is her character. CIS is only use when a character does something out of character for a lost, which is not the case. before labeling CIS, understand its meaning.

@jashro44: Yeah, though Neo is a counter-attacker, so most of what we saw and what she did was just dodge and look for openings. And I agree that Torchwick did create some openings for Neo, but I don't believe that he helped her in a way that totally changed the outcome of the fight if he hadn't been there.

Yeah, I meant CIS instead of PIS. I agree that Neo is very arrogant, though I don't think it would affect her much this VS.

@cadencev2: It was out of character for Neo to have not killed Ruby right away when she was dangling helplessly from the airship. She wasn't toying with Yang by the way, she was waiting for the right opportunity to knock her out before her semblance kicked in. Once unconscious Neo wasn't going to waste any time with killing her.

Also Neo didn't leave a single opening while fighting Yang, if she had Yang would have actually been able to touch her.

Well for the record I think Ruby is faster and more skilled than Penny honestly (all though in terms of skill there probably close and Penny was fast enough to deflect machine gun fire from helicopters with her swords, so she isn't slow). I don't think the fact that I believe Ruby held her own a bit is really a low showing for Neo. Plus I do agree neo disarming Ruby was pretty a pretty impressive display of skill even though I do think Ruby being a bit tired might have been a factor.

@cadencev2: And in those five seconds we see Neo not having any trouble with Ruby. You wouldn't say Mercury had trouble with Ruby despite having hit her only once in their fight, right?

She doesn't leave openings; that's counterproductive to her style of combat. As someone noted, she waited for Torchwick to finish speaking. The other time we saw her about to kill Yang, she was going for it right away but was interrupted.

Fair enough. Personally I think Ruby and Neo are close but I think I have a higher opinion of Ruby than most people. I can buy Neo being a little bit better.

Neo was totally toying with Yang. That is what makes her feat so amazing. The whole fight she was basically just making funny poses, I mean she literally sat down and waited for Yang to walk right up to her:

Likewise it took Neo a few seconds to draw her blade out when she was about to stab Yang before Raven showed up and scared her off. It took her 13 seconds to draw her blade out. Really I am not sure how Neo could have been less casual in her fight with Yang....

@jashro44: To be fair, Yang was knocked out, and Neo had no reason to believe someone would show up out of nowhere to stop her.

I know. I'm just saying she did take her time. Neo stomped Yang fair and square which is one of the best showings of skill we have seen in the series.

not really fair and square

Yang was awake for 2 days stright so she was very tired during the fight

I don't recall it being stated Yang had 0 rest and I don't remember Yang showing any signs of fatigue. Admittedly we don't see Yang sleeping but we do see some of the other girls rest. And there was some time cut as well (we cut from the blazing fire, to when its basically just cinders) so maybe Yang had some rest off screen. Was it actually stated Yang had 0 rest before fighting neo?

I give this to Penny. She seems to be a teambuster (she took out all of the White Fang members and I think she basically soloed a team during the Vytal Festival; it's not shown, but it's implied), and her offensive capability and range are something we haven't seen Neo defend against. Pyrrha had the perfect defense against her with the polarity, but Neo's more of a close combat fighter. It's gonna be hard for her to close the gap, and even if she does, Penny was good enough to fight Pyrrha close up.

I'd say penny.

That actually isn't an issue at all. Have you seen the battle between Neo and Yang? Neo doesn't land a hit for a while and just lets Yang attack. She only counter attacks occasionally and since we only see Neo fight Ruby for 5 seconds before Roman shows up and, granted, helps Neo out there for a moment, we can't say she was waiting for an opening or not.

About CIS, it indeed does not override ''In Character'', but in this fight there is no Roman for Neo to wait for, so Neo has no reason to not KO or kill Penny as soon as she can, with the exception that she's a little arrogant.

@arathorn_ii: The burden of proof is on you to show Neo going straight for the kill. Proof you cannot show, only fan bias excuses.

Also how do you KO Penny? You cannot KO a robot.

@cadencev2: Her fight with Yang. After she Ko's Yang, she's going straight for the kill. This shows that as soon as Neo gets Penny in a position in which she can kill her, she will.

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Neo humiliated Yang and Ruby. Penny got destroyed by Pyrrha. I think Neo wins this. We need more Neo though :)

Ruby was tired from fighting grimm and had to fight Roman in addition to Neo. And Pyrrha's semblance being what it is made the fight one sided,Neo doesn't have that semblance so it isn't comparable.

@thewatcherking: Good points. However, I do believe that the skill gap between Neo and Yang shows that Neo was in a different tier than the others.

Neo wins.

Yeah neo takes this the ranking would go like this.

Neopolitan > Mercury Black > Penny Polendina >= IC Pyrrha Nikos.

Nothing supports mercury being above pyrrha,and mercury beating penny is debatable.

By scaling, Neo.

Pyrrha was slightly stronger than Penny. Pyrrha was (probably) slightly stronger than Yang overall.

There was a HUGE gap between Yang and Neo. The blonde was basically stomped in their encounter.

So, Neo, I guess.

Neo doesnt have any feat that is strong enough to put down Penny.Her fights always relied on evasion and counter.

But Penny is a robot. Even without aura she stopped a small truck. I doubt Neo has the power. Besides, I dont think Neo can knock out a robot unconscious. Penny should also have more stamina.

So logically Penny should eventually win even tho she is less skilled.

That's just false. I think some people fail to realise just how much of a strength feat her KO of Yang was. She threw a completely stationary Yang all the way into the ceiling hard enough to KO her. The same Yang that was able to shrug off a giant mech punching her through a huge cement pillar. Her strength shouldn't be underestimated just because of her size, it happens far too often.

@randumo24: Just false? no, that's actually 100 percent correct. What you fail to realize is that Neo only outskilled Yang, Neo is an agile based character when it comes to her fighting style and Yang's entire reason for losing was because Yang relied on brute force/her semblance. Her dad even tells her that herself in volume 4 I believe? Neo has some strength, no denying that. Is that strength enough to knock out Penny? No, Most certainly not. Neo is going to have strength superior to that of yang to do such a thing, the difference between this mecha and Penny is that Penny is made to be the protector of mantle. To be the protector of mantle you have to surpass your predecessors, in simple words Penny surpasses all the technology that predates her. Penny is going to win, hands down. Nobody that stands by Neo side, can give me a reasonable explanation as to why pre timeskip Neo can defeat pre timeskip Penny, at that point its favoritism which I happen to see on this page more than people that are non bias.

Neo wrecks honestly. In any iteration.

Penny's superior to Neo strength wise hands down, (She stopped a speeding truck with her bare hands, She also moved an aircraft out of the sky. With Zero struggle btw.)

Durability most certainly(She's of course going to be made out of Atlas most toughest material, or one of its most toughest material. Someone of Neo's strength and arsenal Isn't going to K.O Penny, Not to mention that the truck only ripped off some of Penny's Prosthetic Skin, and not even damage the metal.) "Why would she be made of such material?" Why wouldn't she, She's the protect of atlas.

Neo has nothing in her arsenal that can knock out penny or even destroy her. Due to Penny's Anatomy.

Penny naturally can outlast Neo even if Neo Prolonged the battle with her illusions since Neo is only human, Neo will have limited stamina. Meanwhile Penny can keep on going since robots such as her don't get tired like humans do.

So Penny Wins this fight.

Also for the people bringing up Pyrrha beating Penny.(Like that helps Neo.) Y'all forget that Pyrrha is an exception, her semblance is literally the enemy to Penny's existence. She controls magnetism, which is what people seem to forget. That will naturally be the weakness of someone made out of METAL. People also forget that Pyrrha and Neo are two different characters and Pyrrha defeating penny with an entirely difference semblance has nothing to do with Neo.

Neo could easily handle Yang, Ruby and Cinders strength which matches or exceeds Penny. She is likewise faster and more agile than Pyrrha who had no issue breaking through Penny’s blades.

In terms of striking Neo has been able to damage and K.O people like Cinder and Yang who tank mountain and building level attacks like nothing. Meanwhile Penny’s aura was broken by a truck hitting her, which is about as hard as one of Yangs punches.

Quite frankly this should be quite easy for people to figure out. Simply look at the ease with which Cinder dispatched Penny while dueling Winter compared to Neo pressing her on her own.

Quite frankly the only thing that could make this not a mismatch in Neos favour would be Penny’s maiden powers. But those aren’t being considered here.

Neo wins. It won’t be close

@greysentinel365: Read my comments, Penny takes this. I'll debunk your statements that you just enlisted.

"Cinder dispatched Penny while dueling Winter compared to Neo pressing her on her own."

Cinder was One a maiden, one of the BIGGEST advantage towards anything in the entire series. TWO Cinder is stronger than Neo. Neo was reduced to being Cinders Henchman, That enough should say something. Three This was 4 years ago, You can't include current feats. If you did Penny would easily defeat Neo with NO effort.

"In terms of striking Neo has been able to damage and K.O people like Cinder and Yang who tank mountain and building level attacks like nothing. Meanwhile Penny’s aura was broken by a truck hitting her, which is about as hard as one of Yangs punches."

When did Neo ever K.O someone on Cinders level? I don't ever remembering that happening, Neo only out skilled yang since Yang only relied on brute force and swings. Also Penny's aura was never broken by a truck hitting her, in fact she never used her aura when the truck had hit her to begin with? She easily closed the distance between Ruby and her and stopped the truck with her bare hands. That truck never even pushed Penny an INCH forward when Penny stopped the speeding truck. If Neo gets hit by a truck at that full speed she's getting knocked into a coma.

Penny's made to protect atlas, that means she's supposed to be greater than even Winter herself to do so. You're going to literally have to be a boss level character in the series to beat her which Neo isn't. The only ones that could've beat Penny back then was Cinder, Ozpin, Salem, Raven, Qrow, Winter, Adam, Pyrrha since her semblance is literally magnetic.

Neo certainly Isn't any of those people.

"She is likewise faster and more agile than Pyrrha who had no issue breaking through Penny’s blades."

Neo is the most agile character in the series, hands down. More faster? That's a highball. Penny literally has boosters on her legs, Penny is way faster than Neo. Pyrrha never broke through Penny's blades. Pyrrha clashed against them, but never broke them. Penny is literally one of Atlas best technology, As prodigal Pyrrha is. She's not breaking through such material while being a student. Rewatch the fight between Penny and Pyrrha and you'll see what I mean.

''Quite frankly the only thing that could make this not a mismatch in Neos favour would be Penny’s maiden powers. But those aren’t being considered here."

IF we include Penny's maiden powers, Penny could just freeze Neo and it's over with. What in Neo's arsenal does she has to beat a Maiden Penny? The only way to beat Penny is to just be salem, or an experienced maiden at this point. Or have a magnetic semblance, Which Neo is or has neither, her semblance is illusions. How is that going to beat someone with not only true magic but a superior body?

Penny Wins, Zero Casualty.

This is so wrong.

1) She didn’t easily handle Yang. She handled a tired and pissed off Yang through pure skill and patience.

2) Ruby is not an example of strength in Vol 1-3 when comparing her to her sister or even Weiss. This does not help your case.

3) She did not handle Cinder at any point! The one fight she has with Cinder, Cinder is holding back massively to talk to Neo. She led Neo into a stalemate that she decided to easily end when Neo wasn’t listening. Hell, she didn’t even pull out her swords until the end, let alone even use her maiden powers, aside from a few fire attacks.

4) Name those characters who are Yang and Conder level. Thus far, she has only Ko’d fodder and a tired Yang. She did however own JNOR (Jaune, Nora, Ocscar, and Ren) who are not Yang’s strength, unless you count Nora’s powered up state, which she was not powered up in her fight against Neo with help.

5) What? Penny’s aura was never broken by a truck. In fact, she straight stopped one with her bare hands. Even if this were true, she took a much harder hit and actually sent flying multiple blocks by a Grimm with not scratch or reaction beyond temporarily being shut down and then saying ‘ow‘ happily as a response rather than a natural reaction.

6) Dispatched≠Not defeated.

And unlike Neo, Cinder wasn’t holding back in her fight against the two of them. Penny may not have won, but neither did Cinder. It was a stalemate at best and an inconclusive match at worst. Who would I predict would have won? Cinder. Would Neo have faired better in their situation? No. She could barely handle Cinder holding back. There is no way she would have won a match with Cinder going full rage mode.

So, in essence, it is close and there is evidence to say that Neo could lose.