ROTS Sidious vs Obi-Wan Kenobi (Kenobi)

Sidious

Kenobi

They start 30ft apart at the rocky battlefield of the Kenobi finale

Round 1: Sabers

Round 2: Force

Round 3: All Out

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Sheev does this to Kenobi's butthole:

And that's all she wrote.

Here's a thorough explanation on how screwed Kenobi is:

In no world, will Kenobi do anything more than MAYBE block 6 or 7 hits with extreme-diff. And proceed to get ragdolled while doing so.

This fight is just Sheev doing this to him:

In multiple, creative ways.

Edit: Ignore the above. Kenobi stomps. He made Vader helpless, according to the audio-tapes for the episode. And the Vader he beat has long since surpassed KFV & the Titans.

Well by wack canon scaling Kenobi wins this now. Even the audio descriptions of the episode on D+confirmed Vader was helpless against his attacks at the end.

Sheev shanks, spite.

Wow, that's fcking terrible writing then

Ok this is getting a little bit excessive, dial back the Obi-Wan wank.

Sidious wins, he's more skilled in the force and in sabers

Obi-Wan could possibly hold his own in sabers but when Sidious finds that it's too difficult to get past Kenobi's defences, he'll just easily ragdoll with the force. So Sidious wins comfortably.

Besides Obi-Wan is the Master of Soresu, and wasn't Vader considered to be better duelist than Sidious in canon?

The Emperor vaporizes Ben

The Kenobi wank already getting silly after just a few hours.

Sidious wins with moderate difficulty at best, but it would probably be quite easy if not a stomp.

Sidious wins low diff.

Bruh Sidious stomps him and Vader together LOL

This. Disney+ Obi-Wan is good, but not that good.

I'd also like to remind everyone that, the Obi-Wan who managed to overcome Vader was motivated by his desire to safeguard the twins (as his thinking of Leia and Luke indicated). Even then, Vader still competed and it wasn't a stomp.

Sidious

Sidious

Palpatine can ragdoll any version of Kenobi with the force, and Sidious lightsaber style is vicious and draws upon his raw emotions. Eventually Kenobi gets overwhelmed, or Obi-Wan could make a blunder early on, being terrified by meeting such a strong opponent.

palps wins, but it’s not a stomp

Kenobi. KFV scaling seals the deal. GG.

You were cool while you lasted, Sheev-sack.

They didn't even need luke at this point, yoda and obi wan could of just killed palpatine and vader.

star wars honestly has the worst power scaling of any series i've seen

Sidious wins all fights against all versions of Obi-Wan.

Sidious stomps.

Vader as ROTS Sidious Level is an informed attribute.

Regarding on-screen portrayal, we've already seen this scenario played out:

Continually reinforced by Obi-Wan Kenobi's struggles with lesser foes.

Wait, I thought someone said he was nerfed in that show...

In sabers Kenobi does better than Masters Fisto, Kolar & Tinn, giving Sidious a decent fight but I don't see him defeating Sidious as Windu did.

In a Force battle, Sidious should win quite comfortably due to his greater power and knowledge.

All-Out, Sidious wins comfortably but he doesn't stomp.

Anyone saying this isn’t a good fight is being stubborn and needs to accept and adjust. Peak Kenobi is titan level now.

I’m not ready to give Kenobi a majority over ROTS Sidious but certainly it’s close.

This is ROTS Sidious, he's capped below suit Vader due to statements that pre suit Anakin has putting him at ROTS Sidious tier.

Agreed.

Yeah new massive scaling boosts in power are always a million times harder to accept than massive bonkers feats boosts in power. Same thing is going on with L&T Thor’s scaling to Gorr who’s>Hela. Overall I think I did a pretty good job of making the new canonical placement of Kenobi fairly set in stone.

@frozen: I had to do it alone😭 but @cryolancer47 did help a bit.

@nassergrant19:

Nah, mate. You're just being humble. You did well at convincing me that Kenobi beat Vader fair & square. And let's not forget Eredin12, who also helped by citing the audio-tapes for the episode.

Yup GOAT Team up and thanks man. Scaling boosts are always hard to popularize. Tbh that used to be the thing for ROTJ Luke=Prime Vader scaling. Now it’s widely accepted.

Now I just gotta do that for the L&T Thor=Gorr>Hela scaling etc.

@lord_tenebrous said:

Regarding on-screen portrayal, we've already seen this scenario played out:

Continually reinforced by Obi-Wan Kenobi's struggles with lesser foes.

Oop misread the OP. My bad

sidious mid difficulty

Kenobi can only hope to defend but eventually Palpatine gets through

Given OWK series, I'm not sure all rounds are as laughable as this board suggests. Kenobi doesn't win a round, but he is holding his own in sabers only and all out. He is donkey stomped in force only.

Round 1 - Palps wins high diff. I could see Obi around Mace in ROTS, and Mace beat Palps in sabers. Obi has a knack for killing powerful villains.

Round 2 - Palps fries Kenobi with lightning. He has no way to block it. Two Jedi have stood against Palps lightning without a saber and lived to tell the tale--Yoda and Luke (Mace better be dead).

Round 3 - Given Palps arrogance, I say he duels Obi without using the Force, but when Obi stands strong, Palps incorporates lightning to win.

Palps isn't stomping lol, though he wins in a good matchup. He's better in the force and knows all 7 styles of lightsaber combat. I think OWK Ben is better when it comes to force than sabers though.

Kenobi

Bump

OWK Obi > Vader > Anakin = Titans

Sidious for sure. There's no way Kenobi can pull off the same stuff he did vs Vader which was largely situational especially when ROTS Sidious > Vader in OWK.

Bump

@breakingthrones:

Why do you think Sids was Vaders superior in ROTS? Not disagreeing and the Vader fighting Obi was likely weaker but why do you think base to base

as ridiculous as it may sound OWK kenobi probably takes it via superior scaling at this point .
(that´s disney for you)
and if he doesn´t it would be an extremely close fight like yoda vs sheev kinda fight .
his showings in the OWK finale put obi wan on par with RoTS titans (at the very least) .

he is up there with KFV , RoTS yoda , RoTS windu , RoTS sheev (and can probably beat any of them 1v1)
and he already surpassed the likes of RoTS dooku , SOD maul etc . by a decent margin at this point .

It would take a very long time for me to go in depth into this but it's to do with KFV's relationship to Sidious and Yoda based on ALL the evidence that I have seen. KFV's relationship to OWK Vader ( especially during the Obi Wan series and especially during episode 6) and taking into consideration not just raw force power but control over the force, knowledge of the force (various abilities etc) and lightsaber skills including Force Valor (augmentation).

Oh and finally the fights between Sidious and Vader in the comics which always end horribly for Vader. Yes ROTJ SIdious> ROTS Sidious but I'd like to see some quanitfication for how much more powerful he is at the various points they fight because Vader gets stomped quite frankly.

If Lucas somehow happened to see this thread he would've probably died from cringe, seeing how Disney and some crappy novels violated Star Wars so hard, that a character, who was never supposed to be anywhere near Palpatin power-wise, now scales above him, due to defeating another character who was also never meant to be above Palpy. How can pre-suit Anakin be above RoTS Palpatin, if RoTS Kenobi who was equal to him in the force was sent by Yoda to fight Anakin instead of the Emperor, because the Emperor was too strong for him? How is OWK Obi-Wan superior to RoTS Obi-Wan, if he didn't practice in force and lightsabers for 10 YEARS? How can a desire to protect a little girl make Obi-Wan so much stronger and more skilled than before? Jedi don't even draw power from emotions, that's the dark side privilege. How does beating a rookie Vader translate into being above Sidious? At any point in time Vader was always inferior to the Emperor by a large margin, simply because if it wasn't so, he would've easily overthrown him. In RoTJ he even straight up says to Luke that he can't disobey his master, and ESB he said that only together with Luke they have a hope of overthrowing Palpatin.

Basically any attempt to put Vader above Sidious contradicts what was established in the main canon, as well as any attempt to scale Obi-Wan above the Emperor. The most experienced and powerful version of Obi-Wan from the New Hope, the one who stalemated a more experienced Vader than the one in OWK and only lost because he allowed it, had no hope of beating the Emperor, since otherwise the whole OT wouldn't have happened. And even if Palpatin became much stronger by that time, which in itself is doubtful, Obi-Wan couldn't have known it, he knew only the Emperor from RoTS, and he thought that even at the time of a New Hope he wasn't strong enough to take him on, or he would've undoubtedly attempted to do so

@breakingthrones:

So overall basically. I see

Sidious >> Vader = Obi-wan