ROTS Sidious vs Mace, Kenobi, Anakin

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#1  Edited By Redshift_Bacon

Simple Rules:

Location: Fight takes place in the Senate Chamber, where Yoda fought Sidious.

Fighters: RoTS Sidious vs RoTS Mace, Obi-Wan, and Light-Side RoTS Anakin

Scenario: Mace waits for Kenobi to return, and asks Anakin to join them in arresting Palpatine.

Palpatine can sense the 3 Masters approaching and suspects Anakin's betrayal.

Round 1: In-Character.

Round 2: Bloodlusted

Bonus: If Sidious wins overwhelmingly, the Fodder, Plo Kloon, Agen Kolar, and Saesee Tiin are also present. (Original group that Mace had with him)

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Anakin splits with Sids solo, the others tip it in the team's favour.

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@jacensolo77: Even if Anakin isn't sure he wants Sidious dead..?

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@redshift_bacon: Eh, I'd be inclined to give Sids the slightest edge in that scenario but Kenobi and Mace still swing it in his favour.

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#5  Edited By RGR  Online

Probably Team in a tough fight, given Sidious could make good use of TK to capitalize on the environment. They would take this much more easily in, say, his office.

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@rgr: Are the team suddenly going to forget they know how to use TK?

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#7 RGR  Online

@jacensolo77: No, I just think he's demonstrated superior TK feats than any of the team members, so he would fare way better in that aspect than simply engaging in a duel with them. He still loses, though.

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#8  Edited By Redshift_Bacon

@rgr: @jacensolo77 Good point. Do you think giving Sidious prep time would make a difference? Say he dreamt this event the night before?

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Team has a slight edge

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@redshift_bacon: Possibly. He might be able to take the high ground from the get-go. It worked well against Yoda, who struggled to dodge Sidious' attacks.

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@rgr: He has better TK feats sure but none of these guys are going to struggle to TK pods lol, there's no real environmental advantage here. And considering that per Lucas Anakin is as strong as Sids in the force that equates to equal TK, feats aside.

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#12  Edited By RGR  Online

@jacensolo77: I don't take Lucas' words as gospel, much like the Story Group (Leland Chee said so) who are responsible for continuity. Obi-Wan matched Anakin's Force push, which I don't think he would be able to replicate against Sidious.

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@rgr: Mind posting the Chee quote? Regardless Anakin was factually hindered on Mustafar so Kenobi blocking his force push is irrelevant.

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#14  Edited By RGR  Online

@jacensolo77: Here's the link. I don't think there's any canonical evidence for Anakin being less powerful on Mustafar, he might be even stronger than the LS version we're discussing in this thread.

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@rgr: Yeah, Nick's word counts for nothing, neither does a C Canon source...

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@jacensolo77: I'm talking Disney canon, since OP didn't specify and per the forum rules we're to assume it's the current canonical versions. So I'm not considering Gillard's word either, nor Legends sources. Apologies if this is a Legends discussion.

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obi would be fodderized (just like original "you are under arrest" team) .
sidious is not stupid enough to engage 3 master swordsman in straight up lightsaber fight
so he uses his superior TK or speed to take kenobi out ASAP .

round 1: sheev takes it 9.5/10
round 2 scenario: amped mace and enraged anakin would be enough to take him down more often then not : team 7/10 .

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@rgr: I thought it was Legends, sorry.

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Team. All of them can fight Sidious capably.

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#20  Edited By dark_globe

@greysentinel365 said:

Team. All of them can fight Sidious capably.

you mean 1v1 ?

kenobi can´t .

he gets one shoted , blitzed , choked , ragdolled .

light side RoTS anakin would not do much better .
KF vader is a bit different story , he still loses though .

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#21  Edited By Greysentinel365

@dark_globe: Kenobi has already shown he can deal with that level of power and skill in his fight with MF Vader.

LS Anakin is a peer of Yoda and Windu by RotS.

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As per the author

Sidious lost to mace windu

Adding more people doesn’t change anything

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easily team. Mace is almost equal to palpatine

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Team curbs.

What is this?

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Team wins, but Anakin isn’t a peer of Yoda or Palpatine in ROTS, I made a whole argument to debunk that.

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Team. All of them can fight Sidious capably.

LS Anakin is a tier below him

Kenobi and Anakin can last

Battling capably is something I would give only to tier 9's

Not to mention, Kenobi sucks in team duels( there is a quote to prove it too lol)

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@lordofthelight: What happened dude? Did you finally realise AotC Kenobi gets stomped by Qui-Gon?

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Also LOL at Kenobi fighting Sidious "capably". More like he'd get ragdolled.

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#29  Edited By LordOfTheLight

@lordofthelight: What happened dude? Did you finally realise AotC Kenobi gets stomped by Qui-Gon?

Nope

After I take care of HP, I'll take care of our little debate too

You see, Qui Gon can't touch AoTC Kenobi when he is languishing below TPM Kenobi

Also unlike you, I am 100% serious lol. Might be a little hard to digest but nothing not supported by copious amounts of evidence. Enjoy the Jinn wank currently, that might not last

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@lordofthelight:

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Wanna just reopen it here? KMC is dead, the formatting is way better here, and I can now unload a way better zinger of an opener.

What do you mean that I'm not 100% serious???

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@mastercilghal: And your argument will be addressed in due course lol, I'm just a little slow on the response lol.

@lordofthelight: When will your opener be up, I'm looking forward to you V HP?

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Team in a good fight. Mace could conceivably make it a split or a very slight majority by himself. Throwing in Anakin and Obi-Wan gives it to the team.

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Team wins in a tough fight

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@dark_globe: Kenobi has already shown he can deal with that level of power and skill in his fight with MF Vader.

LS Anakin is a peer of Yoda and Windu by RotS.

that fight was hugely circumstantial , anakin was emotionaly criplled and kenobi knew all his moves .
despite knowing his style to perfection kenobi would lose under normal conditions 10/10 .
even dooku who is below RoTS anakin and sidious was able to break his defences with TK .

RoTS anakin or vader is not yodas peer .
he would still lose to yoda or sidious .

kenobi would be ragdolled or blitzed by RoTS sidious .

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Where’s Azronger :(:(:(:(

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@jacensolo77: don’t worry, take your time. I’ll be quite busy this month, so it will take me a long time to write a response to your next post. At the moment I still stand firmly on my opinion, but perhaps you’ll convince me.

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#38  Edited By LordOfTheLight

@meatpants said:

@lordofthelight:

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Wanna just reopen it here? KMC is dead, the formatting is way better here, and I can now unload a way better zinger of an opener.

What do you mean that I'm not 100% serious???

Yeah sure

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@mastercilghal: And your argument will be addressed in due course lol, I'm just a little slow on the response lol.

@lordofthelight: When will your opener be up, I'm looking forward to you V HP?

Have mapped out the arguments there. Just need to type them, post pictures

@arkhamasylum3 Do you mind if I respond after I give my second post to MP? There's a lot of stuff that needs to be used that overlaps and the reply to him will be way shorter and more decisive

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@jacensolo77: Finding it impossible to take that comment seriously.

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@meatpants: NGL you'd be at the bottom of the 3 if I had to rank you all as debaters. Not that that's bad, HP is probably the best "new" SW debater and LOTL is the best Kenobi debater this forum's ever seen.

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MP's probably>me though, so credit where it's due.

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@lordofthelight: Hence predictions of the outcome, though I may be proved wrong.

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#49  Edited By LordOfTheLight

@jacensolo77 said:

@lordofthelight: Hence predictions of the outcome, though I may be proved wrong.

No, I am saying there is a good chance they may not be completed( many posts by either users reaching a conclusion) since we all aren't exactly punctual( not sure about MP) in these

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@lordofthelight: MP's punctual but yeah, you and HP are rather well known for er, lack of punctuality.