ROTS Kenobi vs Mandalorian Ahsoka (sabers only)

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Poll ROTS Kenobi vs Mandalorian Ahsoka (sabers only) (66 votes)

Kenobi 86%
Ahsoka 17%
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The fight takes place on Mustafar

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Sabers Only (Canon)

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My bet is on Kenobi. He can endure her offensive until he finds an opening

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My bet is on Kenobi. He can endure her offensive until he finds an opening

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I say Obi-wan wins this because defeating(and killing) Grevious and defeating a hindered KF Vader is better than anything Ahsoka has done.

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Obi-wan

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I see no reason why Obi-Wan shouldn't win

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Obi-Wan

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Her fight with Vader easily puts her above ROTS Kenobi. Ahsoka should win without too much trouble.

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@turtleman1878: Also considering it’s canon only, even regular Knightfall Vader scales below LoTS Vader, over a decade pre Rebels. Let alone a hindered Knightfall Vader who is unquantifiably weaker than normal.

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People drastically overestimate the gaps between the characters. Plenty of characters with comparatively little to their name have lasted more than a few seconds against Vader and Ahsoka.

Bloodlust could be bad for Obi-Wan stylistically, but it's a close fight either way at the very least.

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Obi Wan fodderizes

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#15  Edited By dundermifflin

@killmonger101@draltoclef: it's not a stomp either way, but Obi-Wan would win majority

Sidious >> Vader. Maul went toe to toe with Sidious. Ahsoka went toe to toe with Vader. Kenobi >> Maul on many fights. Kenobi's even 2 v 1'd Maul and Savage. Ahsoka always struggled a lot more with Maul. Ahsoka >= Maul.

Vader was clearly on guard when he fought Kenobi in A New Hope, but not when he fought Ahsoka. Kenobi lost to Vader on purpose in ANH. Ahsoka would have lost if she wasn't rescued. Btw, Old Kenobi >= RotS Kenobi.

So, Vader >= Old Kenobi >= RotS Kenobi > Ahsoka

Also, Obi-Wan's defensive style has almost always prevailed against offensive opponents like Ahsoka, so Obi-Wan should win majority of fights

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@hellothere5432: Mando Ahsoka is sub Mando Luke. I don't see her putting up a great fight or anything here. Obi wins in a decent ish fight.

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@dundermifflin: No offense but their are some serious issues with this scaling. Maul was only able to take on Sidious with a massive rage boost from seeing Savage die and even then, that fight lasted 23 seconds. An impressive 23 seconds, but it clearly shows that Sidious is still able to overpower Maul with effort.

Looking at Maul vs Obi Wan, it’s nowhere near as one sided as it appears. Even in the 2 in 1 fight, Maul ragdolls him twice without much trouble. And in Rebels Maul was half dead wandering the desert: https://youtu.be/A_6Z630T-hY. He also tricks Maul into replicating the move he used to kill Qui Gon (hitting Kenobi with the non lightsaber resistant lightsaber handle then stabbing him) by switching to his stance. According to the Maul's voice actor Sam Witwer, ''he takes a breath, no no... That was a mistake that young Obi-Wan did, I am actually Ben Kenobi. I am a different guy. And let's see if I can trick him with the old Qui-Gon pose. So he could lure Maul as if Maul could replicate the same victory that he gained against his old master Qui-Gon.'' This is why the fight is so short between the two with Kenobi being ready for this trick and cutting him down.

As for ANH, Kenobi was losing to Vader badly. Here’s a quote from the canon novel From a Certain Point of View: "Your powers are weak, old man." Our lightsabers clash. I try to push forward, only to be thrust violently back. It's like striking iron. There's no give in Vader's arms, and far too much in mine.

"You should not have come back," Vader tells me.

My resources are depleted, my body screaming with pain. I have no hope of winning this fight.

--I'm forced back, muscle burning, breath ragged. The grip of my lightsaber is slick in my hands, my ears ringing. - Obi-Wan Kenobi [Time of Death]

Here’s another new canon source: “This duel was very different from their last. Obi-Wan was older and weakerwhile Vader was even stronger, fueled by hatred and thrist for revenge.” — Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force (2016).

In other words it’s made pretty clear in canon that Obi Wan was inferior to Vader. And it’s pretty clear that not only was Vader on guard vs Ahsoka, but bloodlusted: “ "As far as how Vader would treat Ahsoka and react to her, I base that interaction – the attitude, if not the dialogue – on my conversation with George about how that would go. I asked him pretty pointedly, “How would this conversation go? How would he feel about her?” We both agreed that the one thing that Ahsoka can’t represent in any way is any path of redemption for Vader, or the hope that that’s there because Luke is the only one that’s going to be able to make that happen. And that’s the story that we see. It was our belief that we could have this moment, but it’s not even a moment of hesitation for Vader. Because he says then, “You will die,” and he means it. He is going to destroy her, and the reason that is, is that she has knowledge of him as a good person. She represents and is a vessel for everything that he once was, and he finds such pain in that, and hatred, and anger. He doesn’t want to face what he’s become, but he just wants to destroy anything that reminds him of that former self."

- Dave Filoni

Plus the only reason Maul was able to contend with Ahsoka at all was because of him spending years on Malachor, a dark side nexus. On neutral ground it’s clear that she is superior. Here’s a quote from months after Twilight of the Apprentice took place: "We used to have this problem in Clone Wars when we would try to put Yoda in a story and it would be like, “Yeah, if Yoda’s there, this isn’t really a problem is it?” That’s because Yoda’s going to go in there and kick everyone’s butt. We all felt that Ahsoka, the only person that could really match her in this time period, blow for blow, would be Vader or the Emperor."

- Dave Filoni, August 2016

And Ahsoka fights Vader for longer as well even if she like Ben would have lost in the end.

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Kenobi wins after a good fight. He has all the advantages he needs here.

He thought Anakin who is Ahsokas master, he knows form 4 and form 5 very well and he is a very adapt Jar’Kai user as we saw when he fought and defeated maul and opress.

His soresu should easily handle Ahsokas output considering he stonewalled GG and MF Vader.

If it is base Kenobi: 8/10 High difficulty

If it is MF Kenobi: 10/10 Medium difficulty

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@killmonger101: Vader is locked under ROTS Kenobi in sabers.

ROTJ Luke is stated to be under ROTS Kenobi in sabers and the fact file confirms Vader and Luke as equals in sabers.

Vader’s performances line up with that too.

Ahsoka fighting Vader is still very impressive though don’t get me wrong.

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Kenobi

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#24  Edited By thenamelessone

Obi wan wins , people like to forget how contextual Ashoka's showing against Vader truly is .

Obi Wan knows her style and mentality , has better feats than her against Maul , is a more skilled duelist , doesn't possess problems against fast people at all ( like Suit Vader does ) , she cannot break his defenses , his style is much less stamina consuming in comparasion to Ashoka and Obi Wan have a massive Skill advantage per being more skilled then Luke/Vader who are more skilled than Return of The Jedi Luke and Vader .

Ashoka is just gonna tire herself out trying to break Obi Wan's Defense and then Obi Wan would kill her eventually .

nice fight , But Obi Wan clearly wins every time .

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If obi wan can best Anakin then he can defeat Ashoka easily.

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Kenobi. It’s definitely not going to be an easy fight but Ahsoka won’t be able to break threw obi wans defence and she also has a lack of feats form this time so obi wan should still he her superior in the force. Obi wan 6-8/10

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I feel like being bloodlusted is a disadvantage for Kenobi, tbh.

He wins assuming he keeps his composure in his rage and doesn't go out swinging like a lunatic as he did VS S4 Maul.

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@killmonger101: Isn't that just in force powers though and not sabers? Where is he in sabers at this point compared to KFV?

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Bloodlusted I'd give it to Ahsoka. Ahsoka has an aggressive fighting style and Obi Wan's is defensive. Being bloodlusted favours Ahsoka more than Obi Wan and the gap in their skill is not so large that Obi Wan can win based on that.

Under normal conditions then probably ROTS Obi Wan in a good fight.

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She's not getting past Obi-Wan's defenses. Even Dooku barely could and had to do it through the force.

Obi-Wan 6/10 or higher.

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Ashoka. Less skilled but stats make up for it

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Obi-wan in a close, close fight. 6/10

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#34  Edited By mr-yes

Obi wan 8-9/10 imo

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Super close, but I might favor Obi-Wan.

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#36  Edited By EmmaFrostXmen

the poll results really show how downplayed ahsoka is on the site

ahsoka fought a more experienced vader on a dark side nexus (confirmed by 3 separate sources including the episode dialogue itself) and yet vader still never managed to successfully pierce her guard and rather had to rely on brute strength to wear her down. ahsoka is a peer of a more powerful opponent (also confirmed by several sources).

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@emmafrostxmen: Your right, Ahsoka is usually downplayed, but that was a very high showing for her. Plus Suit Vader is quite a bit slower than Anakin which Kenobi also beat. I'm not arguing against your point, as I'm not sure a bloodlusted OWK is the best version of him. As witnessed against Maul. I just happened to side with Obi Wan because his defenses are so sound. But by the slimmest of majorities. I wouldn't disagree with someone arguing for Ahsoka 5-6/10 either. She's a capable duelist but does rely on aggression first which may tire her out here against Kenobi. As this fight is to the death is why I chose Kenobi 6/10.

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#38  Edited By EmmaFrostXmen

@darthmanhunter: it’s not a high showing at all actually. she just didn’t ever get properly challenged in rebels. filoni explicitly stated that was why they used her sparingly because she could beat anyone she fought in that time period aside from vader or palpatine. fighting vader in rebels is her best feat because it’s really the only fight she had that actually properly allowed us to gauge her adult capabilities.

in rebels she is also far from an aggressive fighter. she still has that fire, but filoni said she’s more measured and controlled and that’s pretty clear in her fights imo.

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@emmafrostxmen: I think I didn't convey what I truly meant, I agree with everything you said, contending with Vader being her highest feat, didnt mean to say it the way it sounded, but standing with Grievous in their second meeting, capturing Maul. Whooping two Inquisitors. Yes she's a bada$$. Fight against Pre Vizsla was awesome too. Filoni's statements are what they are, but she certainly is aggressive in her duels compared to Obi Wan. I'm not arguing against your point believe me. And she probably is the most powerful force user after TCW with exception of Yoda and Kenobi, who she then outclasses after Yoda dies and Kenobi ages, and obviously Vader and Palps.

Again I agree with your statements, I was just trying to convey (poorly I might add) that RoTS Kenobi can certainly contend.

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@darthmanhunter: oh for sure. i don’t doubt that kenobi can contend and even win a few rounds but for people to think so decisively that he wins is baffling. her feat of contending with vader on the nexus is simply above all of kenobi’s. even though she was on the losing end her skill perfectly matched vader in their duel, he never showed the capacity to ragdoll her, and he only wore her down over and extended period of time with brute force (which would be lessened had the fight not taken place on malachor).

don’t get me wrong either. this is a solid fight, but the decisiveness of the commenters is what confused me.

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#41 frozen  Moderator

The Obi Wan series pretty much showed that ROTS Obi would win.. pre hole ROTS Obi hard pressed Vader. Ahsoka was decisively dominated by him.

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Definitely Kenobi

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@frozen: Thoughts on Vaders state of mind for that fight? I read alot differing opinions on it, I'd like to hear yours, I tend to agree with alot of what you say. To remain on topic, it's be in reference to Vaders fight against Ahsoka which is similar as Vader knew both Kenobi and Ahsoka before turning. I read quite a few ppls comments stating something to the effect of his "conflict" which I feel to be a tad over blown.

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Kenobi medium diffuclty, Ahsoka makes it look exciting but is outclassed & they would both know it in short order.

Kenobi 9.5/10

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If Kenobi is actually affected by the bloodlust he's vastly hindered, as he was against Maul in S4, and gets his ass kicked.

If he manages to focus through it while Ahsoka is affected by bloodlust, that gives him a Mustafar duel type situation where he can just stonewall her until she makes a mistake.

If both manage to focus and are not affected by rage, it's a very close fight, but likely Kenobi. Performing better against Vader, even if an unquantifiably weaker version of him makes him look better and he also has way more experience and can still tactically undermine her if he needs to.

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#46  Edited By EmmaFrostXmen

ahsoka fought a more experienced vader with an amp and was stated by multiple canon sources to have given him a hard fight. you can’t give someone a hard fight and not be capable of contending with them. furthermore vader never breached her guard at any point in the duel and had to rely fully on his physical advantage.

ahsoka wins in an extremely hard fight, context makes her feat more impressive

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I feel like Ahsoka would win this, but I'm open to Obi-Wan arguments

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Ahsoka has him powerwise, but Obi-Wan is pretty easily the best dualist in star wars...

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Really close but Kenobi.

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