@necromancer76:
How many times did Luke train Rey with a lightsaber?
I can't give you an exact number, but during her time on Ahch-To it's logical that they trained at least a few times. We see Rey do those twirling movements and practicing her accuracy but it's logical to assume that she did more that day. They didn't just sit there and idle while the Resistance was turned to shreds by the First Order.
You don't understand. That was her FIRST....TIME....using the weapon.
She clearly had some combat experience, even if rudimentary, with her staff- she expertly fought thugs off and floored Finn, a trained soldier, in no time. It's not like she's a ten year old who didn't know how to swing a blade.
That is equivalent to making TPM Anakin taller and having him fight Ren.
Terrible comparison tbh.
TPM Anakin was a nine year old slave boy. Rey was a twenty year old, resilient woman who had some combat experience with a staff, being able to floor thugs and an elite First Order stormtrooper with the weapon, that's harder to wield than a lightsaber due to being so cumbersome. Rey>>>TPM Anakin, even prior to her training Not only did she overpower him in the force during that moment,
Not only did she overpower him in the force during that moment,
Oh my, you love disregarding context.
A rage amped Rey "overpowered" a massively hindered, both physically and mentally, taken aback Kylo Ren. That was not a normal fight situation. Without the rage amp Rey was clearly on the back foot and losing end of the skirmish.
For under 5 minutes.
This would only be a thing in real time- even then, Rey's training with Luke stretched across a good portion of the movie, even more so than Luke's training with Yoda which despite that is far more logical. Rey trained for at least a few days, if not a week or so. Luke didn't train with Yoda much more, and he trained less in movie time. If Rey's training isn't training then Luke's isn't much better- but of course, just because it's the darling original trilogy all flaws suddenly stop existing.
And the projection isn't a combat ability.
It does, however, speak volumes to Luke's ability, and it is a power far beyond anything Rey performed.
Of course, we didn't see Luke in a situation where had to use it as a combat ability but absence of evidence =/= evidence of absence.
So Han owning the ship and FLYING the ship for years means nothing...great.
It does, but it was heavily modified, and Han wasn't aware of these changes whereas Rey was- and even then, her knowledge was only on par with Han's at best.
Explain to me how she knew how to swim please.
We're not really debating this, are we? She's a Force wielder with the potential to become uber powerful- is already pretty powerful in her own right- and you're sitting here complaining that she did not know how to swim? It's not that difficult for a normal human, much less a Force wielder with uber powerful potential.
You're making up your own interpretation of the scene to improve your argument.
Not really, it is what happened in the movie. You, however, seemed to have created a completely different plot line in your mind. With elements of this one, but still quite different.
Luke didn't sense her about to attack him, then he got knocked over and lost. End of story. Bye bye...see you later.
OK. Let's breakdown the fight so that no one actually falls for this. I understand that you disliked The Last Jedi, it had some flaws, but spreading misinformation to make it look bad is still an incorrect thing to do.
Okay. So, let's review the fight scene.
The fight begins with Luke calling the stick to him and effortlessly deflecting Rey's enraged two hand attack with one hand. Rey swings the stick at him three times, he dodges, then hits her in the side with his own stick. An enraged Rey keeps attacking with two hand aggressive swings, like a barbarian, but a holding back Luke keeps deflecting with one hand without difficulty. When Rey makes the slightest mistake, Luke simply pulls the stick from her and tosses it aside. There. Luke's disarmed Rey, who didn't even come close to damaging him throughout the entire fight. A holding back Luke has decisively beaten an enraged Rey in what? Twenty seconds? Then Rey cheats by surprising Luke with a lightsaber. Then, Luke falls down, not wanting to fight her anymore. This is a clear Luke victory in a combat aspect. Luke>>Rey, but Luke isn't a combatant anymore. There are alternatives to fighting, you know.
One again, you're making that up. She didn't even complete his 3 lessons. She "scared" him so he stopped, then she left.
His 3 lessons =/= lightsaber and TK training. She was training her accuracy with her lightsaber on the rock, and that's not one of her three lessons. As far as I know.
Oh, and who was Anakin's father again? Oh, right, it was the Force itself. Not every Jedi is the Chosen One, you know.
She's an agent of the Force, so to speak, whose mission in the universe is to halt the domination of the Dark Side of the Force. She's not a Chosen One but she's a Chosen One-like character. She's not quite as powerful as Anakin, but her potential is still insane and stronger than nearly everyone's.
Anakin's and Rey's parents do not matter. Their biological parents are irrelevants since the Force gave them a mission they need to carry out.
She defeated Ren, she defeated Luke,
Who were beating her under unfavorable circumstances and only lost due to even further factors- and in Luke's case, he didn't lose at all. He didn't want to fight.
she defeated trained guards who all should have been able to beat her in under 5 swings.
IIRC, Kylo was guiding her due to her having gotten some of his powers with the telepathic link Snoke created. Anyway, the Praetorians are no superstars.
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