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#1 Edited by Richard96 (5810 posts) - - Show Bio

The Jedi Council is complete. Anakin is present and he is Zonakin. They have 1 day of prep and the fight is in the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. Everyone bloodlusted. Sidious and Vader are alone and with no prep. Legends + Canon feats allowed.

- Only sabers

- Only force

- All out

Who wins?

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#3 Posted by Richard96 (5810 posts) - - Show Bio

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#4 Posted by Thoromdil (1854 posts) - - Show Bio

how is this not a spite?

Prime RotS Obi Wan beat prime Vader, he will easily beat ROTJ Vader who is overall slower, older and more limited by his suit and cybernetics.

Windu also beat prime ROTS Sidious. RotJ Sidious is MUCH older and slower by that point, as seen when Vader easily picked him up and carried over the edge like a rag doll. So imagine how much easier it will be for Windu to blitz and beat ROTJ Sidious.

So we need just two jedi, none of which is even strongest in the council to make it an easy win. And there's still Yoda, Zonakin and a dozen decent masters left to back them up.

This is a spite.

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#5 Posted by Greysentinel365 (6312 posts) - - Show Bio

With prep the Jedi win unless Sids says "screw it" and Force Storms the continent away

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#6 Edited by Dawn_of_Ages (2527 posts) - - Show Bio

lmfao at RotS Kenobi easily beating RotJ Vader and Windu>RotS Sidious>RotJ Sidious. Either that's trolling or you're just retarded beyond comprehension.

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#7 Posted by Azronger (4334 posts) - - Show Bio

The Emperor and Vader stomp.

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#9 Posted by Subline (8424 posts) - - Show Bio

Jedi win:

Obi Wan + Windu > Vader.

Yoda + Zonakin > Emperor

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#10 Posted by Slayedigneel (1921 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol ^

Yoda/Mace/Zonakin are enough for ROTJ Sidious.

Leaving the rest of the council to demolish Vader. ROTS Obi wan is a good enough fight for Vader, let alone adding the rest of the council, several being comparable to Obi wan.

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#11 Posted by Thoromdil (1854 posts) - - Show Bio

@dawn_of_ages: Obviously Mace beats RotJ Sidious and Obi Wan beats Vader. The new canon ROTJ Vader and Sidious are nearly featless compared to jedi council masters who have entire Clone Wars + Prequel trilogy worth of feats. If anyone is trolling here it's you.

Again canon ROTS Obi Wan and Windu will STOMP canon Sidious and Vader, having beat their superior versions in the past.

Spite.

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#12 Posted by Dawn_of_Ages (2527 posts) - - Show Bio

@thoromdil:

Obviously Mace beats RotJ Sidious and Obi Wan beats Vader. The new canon ROTJ Vader and Sidious are nearly featless compared to jedi council masters who have entire Clone Wars + Prequel trilogy worth of feats. If anyone is trolling here it's you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hds9tFMuU8o

OP also doesn't state it's canon only. Go figure.

Windu will STOMP canon Sidious

You mean like how Windu stomped Talzin and Maul like Sidious did, oh wait--

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#13 Posted by Subline (8424 posts) - - Show Bio

@subline said:

Jedi win:

Obi Wan + Windu > Vader.

Yoda + Zonakin > Emperor

Lol ^

Yoda/Mace/Zonakin are enough for ROTJ Sidious.

Leaving the rest of the council to demolish Vader. ROTS Obi wan is a good enough fight for Vader, let alone adding the rest of the council, several being comparable to Obi wan.

I just didn't want anyone saying I'm wrong and stupid etc. So, I made the victory more secure.

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#14 Posted by Dawn_of_Ages (2527 posts) - - Show Bio

With prep the Jedi win unless Sids says "screw it" and Force Storms the continent away

RotJ Sheev has continental-level storms? Interesting.

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#16 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

The Jedi win.

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#17 Posted by Slayedigneel (1921 posts) - - Show Bio

@subline: huh, sorry that was directed at Azronger, but you posted before I did.

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#18 Edited by decaf_wizard (17021 posts) - - Show Bio

@slayedigneel said:

Yoda/Mace/Zonakin are enough for ROTJ Sidious.

Leaving the rest of the council to demolish Vader. ROTS Obi wan is a good enough fight for Vader, let alone adding the rest of the council, several being comparable to Obi wan.

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#19 Edited by dark-sith123 (5033 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh, this is going to be interesting.

@thoromdil:

how is this not a spite?

Because half the Council can be one-shotted by Sidious and Vader can take at least any two Jedi.

Prime RotS Obi Wan beat prime Vader,

This is wrong on so many levels...

No, Mustafar Vader definitely isn't Prime Vader. He's a better fighter than ANH Vader but he's definitely no better than RotJ Vader who's vastly more powerful than Kenobi. And Obi-Wan only won with the high ground and due to Vader's own "stupidity", because before that he was at best stalemating his former apprentice despite knowing his form inside out.

he will easily beat ROTJ Vader who is overall slower, older and more limited by his suit and cybernetics.

He's not "easily" beating someone- in fact, he's not beating someone much stronger and more powerful than him, as well as at least equally skilled. And his suit "limiting" him doesn't matter because per Ferus Olin, Vader is faster than Kenobi many years before the Dark Lord's prime.

Windu also beat prime ROTS Sidious.

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1) Windu beating Sidious is a notion so ridiculous and so debunked that it's a wonder you're still spouting that nonsense.

2) As of Revenge of the Sith, Sidious is a long way away from his Return of the Jedi levels never mind his "prime" levels.

RotJ Sidious is MUCH older and slower by that point,

And vastly more powerful. Now, RotS Sidious could have obliterated Mace at any point in the fight with lightning, now imagine what a far more powerful iteration of the Emperor could do to Windu. Gives me the chills...

as seen when Vader easily picked him up and carried over the edge like a rag doll.

It's mind boggling how you still use this instance to lowball Sidious. The Emperor was caught completely off guard, and Vader, who is far stronger than Windu on his normal levels, was implied to have entered a state of Oneness when achieving this feat, which would greatly amplify his already Windu+ strength.

Physicals, however, won't come into play since Palpatine can casually dismiss Windu with the Force.

So we need just two jedi, none of which is even strongest in the council to make it an easy win.

If by "not even the strongest in the Council" you mean the sub-Kenobi scrubs just filling space then they'd be one-shotted so easily it's painful to imagine.

And there's still Yoda, Zonakin and a dozen decent masters left to back them up.

There are only twelve Masters in the Council, and if you exclude the top dogs then there's eight, with at least six of them being fodder to Palpatine and the other two being managed by Vader who honestly could defeat any trio of Kolar/Tiin/Fisto or Koon/Tiin/Kolar or whatever- if of course they aren't dead already.

Obviously Mace beats RotJ Sidious and Obi Wan beats Vader.

Not only do they beat them, it's obvious such a thing happens.

The new canon ROTJ Vader and Sidious are nearly featless

Read the OP.

compared to jedi council masters who have entire Clone Wars + Prequel trilogy worth of feats.

Oh yes, do tell me all about the wealth of feats at the disposal of Coleman Kcaj and Stass Allie. And if we want to limit this to new canon- in which RotJ Vader and Sidious most certainly aren't "featless"- I also ask you to enlighten me on the array of feats that is apparently at the disposal of Saesee Tiin and Agen Kolar.

On topic, close fight, undecided. Probably Sith.

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#20 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18086 posts) - - Show Bio

The Jedi overwhelm them. Yoda can hold off Palpatine while Vader gets utterly stomped. Then everyone gangs up on Palpatine.

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#21 Posted by Hope_w (2834 posts) - - Show Bio

Suggesting itd take Yoda/Mace/ and anakin to defeat RoTJ sheev is an absolutely toxic fabrication. This is spite.

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#22 Posted by KillBilly (2025 posts) - - Show Bio

Sidious and Vader.

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#23 Posted by bigsambino87 (1754 posts) - - Show Bio

In this case, I say that the Jedi have the V. Take the 3 strongest against Sids. Yoda, Mace, and Anakin.

Kenobi leads the rest of the Jedi against Vader.

In this case, it's a numbers game, and Vader will fall first, and then it's game over for Sidious, if he's still alive.

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#24 Posted by AsianAntics (740 posts) - - Show Bio

In this case, I say that the Jedi have the V. Take the 3 strongest against Sids. Yoda, Mace, and Anakin.

Kenobi leads the rest of the Jedi against Vader.

In this case, it's a numbers game, and Vader will fall first, and then it's game over for Sidious, if he's still alive.

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#25 Edited by PenguinLover (994 posts) - - Show Bio

Council takes it, but with casualties. Yoda, Mace and/or Anakin should be enough for ROTJ Sids. As for Vader, the rest of the Council can pretty much dogpile him. Fisto, Kenobi, Tiin and one or two others are skilled and powerful enough to hold him off on their own - saber wise as Force combat shouldn't massively come into play when he has about 9 powerful Jedi attacking him - for a little while. Together with the rest of the Council they can take him, though they'll suffer a few losses. After that, if Sidious is still standing they help to defeat him.

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#26 Posted by Discipulus (762 posts) - - Show Bio

The Jedi Council would have to lose some of its heavyweights in order for Sidious and Vader to stand a solid chance.

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#27 Posted by dark-sith123 (5033 posts) - - Show Bio

People are acting as if the other Jedi can't be blown away by Sidious. There's no reason why Allie/Kcaj/Kolar should survive a single attack from Palpatine. With serious Force abuse the Sith could take this.

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#28 Posted by darthbane77 (2114 posts) - - Show Bio

Sith win, Sidious borderline solos.

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#29 Posted by Vitisid (1199 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a close fight, but the Sith could win this.

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#30 Posted by Dawn_of_Ages (2527 posts) - - Show Bio

@dark-sith123: Leave the autistic kid alone. It's not his fault.

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#31 Posted by Grinningf0x (1484 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly can go either way especially with canon and legends feats for all i think most of the masters get dealt woth pretty early on leaving only high tiers . If Sidious is bloodlusted he can dismiss most casually through the force(maybe Obi-Wan freeing Vader up to support him against Zonakin,Windu( who i think he could still blitz) and Yoda. Vader due to prior knowledge and durability can at stave of Zonakin for a time imo( Zonakin ‘s duel with dooku while one sided was not a instastomp,with there even being a back and forth between the two for a time.)

Im split on who to pick because either teams victory relies on them playing thier cards right(rushing the Sith honestly gets most of the council trounced almost immediately.) the council HAS to play the long game by wearing the Sith down and waiting for an opening.

6/10 either way

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#32 Posted by SithEmperor (49 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting.

The Sith can win this if they play their cards right. For instance, Sidious and Vader can momentarily ambush and stall Yoda, Windu, and Anakin by abusing the Force, and then proceed to take out most of the other Jedi Masters casually. But if Sidious opts to go up against Anakin, Yoda and Windu in a standard lightsaber + Force duel while Vader is left alone to face the others, they’ll probably lose. The Jedi would strike down Vader and then gang up against Sidious, if the latter is still standing.

And this is the RotJ version of Sidious, so he can’t use his Force Storms to one-shot the entire Council at once.

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#33 Posted by Turr (1150 posts) - - Show Bio

@dark-sith123: sorry bro but Im not going to discuss facts with you, it is clearly a waste of my time. If you have any doubts that Windu beat Sidious just visit his wookiepedia page. Feel free to discuss this with mods there. I have no interest in this.

As for canon ROTJ Vader, whether or not he is a match for prime Obi Wan may be debatable, but it is still a matter of very thin differences in skill or power. So it does not in any way make my point invalid. Mace more or less beats Sidious, Obi Wan more or less beats Sidious. Whole council is missmatch anyway. Who cares.

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#34 Posted by dark-sith123 (5033 posts) - - Show Bio

@turr:

So now you direct me to a non canon wiki as if it was the end-all?

Great, thanks for effectively destroying your own argument.

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#35 Posted by Subline (8424 posts) - - Show Bio

@turr:

So now you direct me to a non canon wiki as if it was the end-all?

Great, thanks for effectively destroying your own argument.

But Mace Windu defeated Sidious, right?

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#36 Edited by dark-sith123 (5033 posts) - - Show Bio

@subline:

Sidious feigned weakness and let Mace disarm him in order to sway Anakin to his side, and even then Mace had a significant power boost due to circumstances that applied solely to that fight. Even then, before Anakin arrived, the fight was a perfect stalemate. If a normal Mace had fought against a no-holds-barred Palpatine, Mace would have been killed rather decisively.

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#37 Posted by Greysentinel365 (6312 posts) - - Show Bio

The Jedi only win here due to prep