Rey is in base form a.k.a no all-jedi amp
round 1 - canon only
round 2 - legend feats apply for yoda
feel free to cover any or all of: lightsaber only, force only, anything goes
Rey is in base form a.k.a no all-jedi amp
round 1 - canon only
round 2 - legend feats apply for yoda
feel free to cover any or all of: lightsaber only, force only, anything goes
@martinceld: Thanks man. As for the fight, they can both compare to him in the force but in a duel he should be able to toy with them, especially Rey. In this duel Rey is pretty much a non factor. Yoda is too experienced and powerful in his own right for the duo.
Yoda should take it, considering he was a peer to ROTS Sidious, meanwhile these 2 got fodderized by Puppet Sidious.
Can't speak for Legends.
@subline: legends or canon wise Sidious usually gets far far more powerful by ROTJ though I would say is a closer fight as Yoda doesnt fight as cruelly as Sidious would.
Canon could go either way maybe Yoda could take it in saber skill.
Legends gives Yoda too much.
@subline: legends or canon wise Sidious usually gets far far more powerful by ROTJ though I would say is a closer fight as Yoda doesnt fight as cruelly as Sidious would.
Canon could go either way maybe Yoda could take it in saber skill.
Legends gives Yoda too much.
How much more powerful? I can't see him getting so much more powerful that he could treat Yoda like low tier fodder..
@subline: I'll try find some stuff for you in new canon only Vader is spoke about as having a chance of beating him (both are shown improving there power and knowledge as well in old and current canon) and maybe Luke as even since GL has said Luke to be the greatest of the Jedi surpassing Yoda.
@emmafrostxmen: Not if you count Yoda's comic feats and scaling.
That being said, i think Kylo and Rey should be above AOTC Anakin.
@emmafrostxmen: Given that this isn’t a movie-only thing, we can conclude that Yoda’s Tk, etc is above the duo’s in canon. In legends, Yoda curbs because of the fact that he has supremacy scaling from stuff like KOTOR. Even with Ant’s shedding limitations, Yoda’s ROTS supremacy shoves him above the likes of KOTOR Revan, who stomped Malak on a massive DS nexus. Malak is stated to have “powers far greater than those of even Exar Kun”.
So Yoda > KOTOR Revan >> SF KOTOR Revan >> SF Malak >>> Malak >> Kun >>> Freezinf the entire goddamn senate and killing Vodo-Siosk Baas.
I think it’s safe to say Yoda curbs round 2 lmao.
In canon, Yoda literally uses Tk to move a mountain sized creature, so the duo isn’t really ahead in TK.
@idrisiangraecus: okay very informative. When I said “isn’t the duo stronger with TK” I was referring to cannon Yoda
The legends characters are borderline gods
@emmafrostxmen: Ah gotcha.
Well, they aren’t gods, but I appreciate the hyperbole. Yoda still does have better TK in canon though, given his mountain feat.
The duo are stronger than Yoda in the force, if they overpower him then it’s possible they can win. However if they think they’ll be able to cross sabers with him they’re sadly mistaken. He could blitz them before they could even blink. So depends could go either way.
but legends Yoda I’m not sure on I’m sure he’s stupid strong and can probably kamehameha them into the sun or something like that
@firestarlord73194: How are they stronger than Yoda in the force?
Im sorry but... people keep stating this “Base Rey” and “Amped Rey” as if they are two seperate versions of Rey but, is that ever confirmed to be the Case...???? If so, what is the Source for that confirmation?
Because to me, it looks more like she is just tapping into a latent ability. Its not an Amp she recieves at random, its a literal power that she possesses. She is just Able to channel the power of the past Jedi. It clearly shows her Training this power throughout the movie, from her first Scene in the movie to the Last.
You can restrict her from using this power in Battles, but just putting “Rey is not Amped” it isnt a traditional Amp, its more like a Power Up.
OT: If Rey and Kylo still have the Dyad Bond, they sweep the force round. If Rey is allowed to use ALL of her abilities, they sweep force round. Bar those conditions, Yoda cleans house.
@darthadi: the dyad bond and the variety of abilities they have. When’s the last time you saw yoda teleport stuff or shoot lightning from his finger tips accidentally? Yoda lifts a big chunk of rock sure, but with that same ability he’s being overpowered by a weaker version of Palpatine’s force lightning, in contrast Rey overpowers a souped up version of Palpatine’s force lightning. Whether or not that’s an “amp” really is never specified. I heard the old jedi encourage her, not state they were giving her any power.
@firestarlord73194: It was obviously an amp. 5 minutes before she and kylo were ragdolled by Sidious. In her base state she is clearly FAR weaker than Sheev. The force dyad thing is irelevant here. Having a special connection to Ben doesn't help her here. Yoda is a jedi, this is why he doesn't use lightning. Rey used the lightning by mistake in a stresfull situation using the dark side but as a jedi, she won't use in a normal situation. Rey's feats is very impressive in the context of the movies but in the context of the whole canon is only a good feat. Still, not Yoda level.
@redshift_bacon: By that logic Anakin only used his latent ability on Mortis so TCW Anakin is above the ones.
@firestarlord73194: How is that help in combat? Caedus and Jaina have more of a array of various abilities than that Rey and Kylo including teleporting objects do they beat Yoda? Yoda can also use tutaminis he doesn't need two ligthsabers to block them like Rey,Obi,Mace. Also Sidious didnt even want to kill her or did he need to shoot lighting he could have just ragdolled with the force again and throw her just like he did Kylo.
@darthadi: Yoda struggled to lift a large metal tube in the Dooku fight, Rey already surpassed him in TLJ.
@unlimited1: This is not a movie only thread. This is an all canon thread. LOL, at trying to use only movies feats to lowball Yoda. Using only movies feats someone like Vader is shit tier, when he is supised to be a badass like in the CANON comics. Movies feats are restricted by the tehnology of their time.
This is what Yoda can do.
Rey's feat is not even close
LOL, at trying to use only movies feats to lowball Yoda. Using only movies feats someone like Vader is shit tier, when he is supised to be a badass like in the CANON comics. Movies feats are restricted by the tehnology of their time.
The original trilogy was restricted by technology, not the prequels. They were perfectly capable of making Yoda quickly push that tube away but they didn't, because he isn't powerful enough.
This is what Yoda can do.
These creatures resonate with the force, stopping them is not a quantifiable TK feat.
@emmafrostxmen: Given that this isn’t a movie-only thing, we can conclude that Yoda’s Tk, etc is above the duo’s in canon. In legends, Yoda curbs because of the fact that he has supremacy scaling from stuff like KOTOR. Even with Ant’s shedding limitations, Yoda’s ROTS supremacy shoves him above the likes of KOTOR Revan, who stomped Malak on a massive DS nexus. Malak is stated to have “powers far greater than those of even Exar Kun”.
So Yoda > KOTOR Revan >> SF KOTOR Revan >> SF Malak >>> Malak >> Kun >>> Freezinf the entire goddamn senate and killing Vodo-Siosk Baas.
I think it’s safe to say Yoda curbs round 2 lmao.
In canon, Yoda literally uses Tk to move a mountain sized creature, so the duo isn’t really ahead in TK.
what is your last sentence referring to? Would love to check it out
@unlimited1: Yoda still scales hugely above the inquisitors who have some impressive feats that are not too far of what Kylo and Rey can do. Also, without a lightsaber, Kylo was bodied by the KOR who are inquisitor level. If he is that powerfull why not just ragdoll them.
Using the movies to lowball Yoda in a thread that is about the canon as a whole is ridiculous. Comic/novels/animations/video game feats are as canon as the movies. Using the movie as the upper limit of what characters can do even legends Sidious and legends Yoda are shit. Using your logic the inquisitor are more powerfull than Yoda because they have better feats than movie Yoda. Thankfully, scaling is a thing. I would agree with you if it was movie only Yoda.
And the mountain feat has cirmustances indeed, it's still more impressive than any feat of Kylo or Rey.
Personaly, i see Kylo as Maul level overall
The duo are stronger than Yoda in the force, if they overpower him then it’s possible they can win. However if they think they’ll be able to cross sabers with him they’re sadly mistaken. He could blitz them before they could even blink. So depends could go either way.
but legends Yoda I’m not sure on I’m sure he’s stupid strong and can probably kamehameha them into the sun or something like that
Pretty much. Yoda stomps them in sabers but duo can easily overpower him in the force, arguably even solo leave alone together
EU Yoda curbs:
@darthadi: Not the same, Anakin was on the most powerful Force Nexus in the Galaxy, and it was a one-off event that was never replicated. Meanwhile, Rey does the exact same thing several times before attaining her “Amp”, implying its not just something that happened by Accident, but rather something that she Caused directly.
Had Anakin achieved true Balance in the force and been trained properly, he WOULD have been that strong, without the need for any amp, but he didnt.
The difference is Anakin’s buff was an actual Amp, caused by Location and Circumstance. Rey’s was something she had been Training for the entire time. She does it in TFA, and instantly defeats Kylo. She even attempts and fails to do it in the first scene of TROS, suggesting she has been practicing. Im telling you its more of a technique than an accident by the time the end of the movie rolls around.
Yoda struggled to lift a large metal tube in the Dooku fight, Rey already surpassed him in TLJ.
This.
@redshift_bacon: It is obvious that we disagree here. It is pointless to continue this. We are just wasting our time. Let's just agree to disagree.
@darthadi: Fair rnough. Cant wait for the comics and novels to expand on Teys powers and limitations
@darthadi: Fair enough. Cant wait for the comics and novels to expand on Reys powers and limitations.
@martinceld: DarthAdi posted the scan further up.
The new trilogy wank is outta control. Yoda matched ROTS Sidious which is better than anything rey or kylo has done. Unless they get the all Jedi force amp then this isn’t even a contest
Yoda wipes to floor with them in saber combat. If they gang up on him with a force attack they have a a chance, but Yoda is too experienced to lose this imo.
@lord_tenebrous: Nvm, Yoda shitstomps then.
Yoda was drained from fighting Dooku.
That drained him? Well that's not good. His force face off with Dooku was pitiful comparatively and his lifting feats against Palpatine and when training Luke combined are far inferior to Rey's ship feat.
With non movie material he wins though.
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