Fully Healed after each battle.
- Seventh Sister
- Grand Inquisitor
- Pong Krell (Fallen)
- Lord Momin
- Savage Opress
- Asajj Ventress
- Supreme Leader Snoke (obviously in a fair fight this time)
- Darth Tyranus
- Rebels Vader
- ROTS Sidious
This is a tough one based just on the eye test Kylo has been nothing but trash the entire series but we are led to believe hes one of the strongest force users ever. I would say based just on showings he hard stops at Ventress she is way to skilled for him and she has to much experience fighting legit Jedi and force users.
List is out of order imo Snoke is arguably above Dooku given the nature of his existence. That being said I think Kylo Ren beats Dooku as his saber skills being super understated, people continue to ignore him actively changing forms while fighting Rey while also mixing in force abilities and after turning to the light completely changing his saber style and Low Diffing his underlings with mostly just saber skill we even see him do an eerily similar move to Rey in their duel to the one Anakin uses to chop Dooku’s hands off https://youtu.be/Tmxv2ySbLZc (2:55 for the exact moment). His strength with the force is above anyone outside of the top 3. An argument could be made that after TROS he could contend with Snoke while emotionally stable, but there aren’t enough feats for Snoke to really even be able to tell.
Dooku had been reckoned one of the foremost duellists in the Jedi Order, second only to Master Yoda. Source: The Official Star Wars Fact File #60
His prowess was both exceptional and deadly, and many regarded him as one of the greatest warriors in the history of the Order. Source: The Official Star Wars Fact File #68
However, once Dooku left the Jedi Order to become an apprentice to the Sith Lord Darth Sidious, his skills became even more formidable. Source: The Official Star Wars Fact File #68
The Count's blade was quick as a viper striking. Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground: but here on Vjun, steeped in the dark side, his bladework was malice made visible—wickedness cut in red light.
Source: Yoda: Dark Rendezvous
Dooku carried a lightsaber with a curved handle and practiced an elegant fighting style; he could outclass nearly any opponent except for Yoda. Source: Insider #113
His mastery of the Makashi Lightsaber form is unmatched, and all but the most skilled Jedi would fall against him in combat. Source: The Clone Wars: Lightsaber Duels
With a near unrivalled knowledge of the Force combined with formidable skill with a lightsaber, Dooku was virtually indomitable. Source: Insider #109
Master Windu himself remained perfectly balanced and centered. In the history of the Jedi Order, only two opponents ever overcame him in battle. One was Master Yoda, who some said was the Order's true master of lightsaber combat. The other was former Master Dooku, whose own fighting style was archaic, yet stunningly effective. Source: Power of the Jedi Sourcebook
He was one of the most respected and powerful Jedi in the Order's twenty-five-thousand-year history, yet at the age of seventy Dooku's principles would no longer allow him to serve a Republic in which political power was for sale to the highest bidder. Source: Revenge of the Sith
Dooku was a unique case in the history of the Jedi Order. Universally respected, he would have been a Master on a par with Yoda had he not abandoned the Order to join its greatest enemies. Source: Insider #113
Now give me any feats that put Kylo even close to Mace Windu or Master Yoda which as ive proven Dooku was close or even to.
@Ineedgold: those statements from data books are cheap and disproven by the fact that not one mentions Anakin who is the one that ultimately defeats him. Kylo Ren doesn’t have databook entries as of yet so I can’t throw quotes at you, but I can definitely base my argument on showings from Visual mediums such as the films, TCW, and comics. Kylo Ren is shown to utilize an overpowering style which is the same one Anakin ultimately uses to overwhelm Dooku and as I showed even replicates the move Anakin does to unhand him. Regardless of if you want to argue that Dooku has pure saber skill over him, force sensitives have a completely alternate move set (the force) to use on opponents and we’ve seen Kylo Ren be immensely more proficient in weaving it in and is just overwhelmingly more powerful in the force on top of it.
Kylo has pretty decent Force barriers. His crashed star-fighter exploded - with him inside, but was able to come out of the wreckage without a scratch.
This can be applied to dueling where he could use it to defend against lightsaber strikes (as stated / used in the TFA novel), if his opponent first gets through his lightsaber guard.
@xanadu253: In the Revenge of the Sith novel Palpatine tells Dooku to hold back against Anakin and I take statements from any medium over head cannon that your employing. Dooku one of the strongest Jedi in the orders 25,000 year history vs Kylo a Jobber who lost to a woman who just picked up a lightsaber.
@hayabusa77: I think Kylo has a chance based on the performance of how Kanan did against the Inquisitor. Mind you I don't think Kylo would breeze through him, just that he has a chance.
Now he hard stops at Krell because Krell is a physical monster that man handles Clones like a wookie and is probably the only force user in canon that's killed multiple armed individuals with just his bare hands.
Kylo's fighting style is swinging wide and hard something that Krell is far better at due to having more sabers with longer range and much stronger arms which are further enhanced through force augmentation.
In a nutshell if Kylo tried to cross sabers with Krell his bones will break and he'll get KTFO.
I'm thinking most times he stops at 6 due Ventress dueling capabilities. If he gets past her I could see him beating Snoke if they start out relatively close to each other. If he is able to beat Ventress he will beat the Count due to his overwhelming force powers. The highest I could see him going is 8.
@the_institution: fair enough on krell. But in GI's deffense, kanan sort of partly turned, was wielding two blades, caught GI off guard, and had a very unique blade that doubled as a blaster (something that has never really been explored or done)
Also the weakness of any saberstaff, the middle
Opress slams him to the ground. The Kylo wank is just disgusting and pathetic, like the Disney trilogy is.
What's disgusting and pathetic is the sequel hate bias. Does Oppress have a chance against Kylo? Sure, as Kylo has a lack of dueling feats, but we both know prime Kylo should be the superior of the two based off of their standing in their own universe and what the writers actually think. Not to mention Kylo actually has a better force feat before even becoming Kylo Ren.
Vader wasn't drastically injured at most he had some minor injuries before his fight with Momin.
He was on his knees exhausted right before the fight started.
And no it isn't crazy, sequel fanboys are just a bunch of Reylo cultists that think those two are the strongest beings in canon imo.
They can't beat the top tiers, and I agree they can't beat Dooku, but I don't think Momin is Dooku level. Prime Kylo/Ben should be better than ep2 Anakin and Obi-wan, Qui-gon, Kit Fisto, and Savage, but below ep 3 Anankin, Obi-wan, Maul, Dooku, ect.
Snoke and the big 3 are the only ones here who can’t be ragdolled by Kylo, who has better force feats than everyone before those 3 before he even became Kylo Ren.
His saber skills have been compared to both Luke and Anakin which convinced me he should stop at Dooku, and could possibly beat him by abusing the force.
Opress never really contended with the best duelers of his era. He only did well in season 3 against good duelists due to brute force and a rage amp, and after that he got stomped by Maul, was challenged by Adi Galia and only beat her through sheer power, got his arm cut off by Kenobi when he had Maul there for back up, and got toyed with by Sidious. Ben's skill showing against the knights of ren was pretty good, so there is a argument for him being a better duelist than Savage.
@hayabusa77: Since when did Vader respect him like an equal? And if you weren't talking about power why does it matter? Vader respected Tarkin like a near equal, but Tarkin gets stomped by anyone here. The grand inquisitor, who is only an above average jedi, doesn't beat Kylo, who has power Luke has only ever seen in Rey and power which Snoke thought was special. It's not like Kylo was a kid who wasn't close to his prime. He was already over 30 in ep 9.
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