Ronin (MCU) vs White Canary (CW)

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Sara gets her staff, Clint gets his sword (Melee battle).

Takes place in the streets of Tokyo

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Sara

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Sara wins.

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Sara is among the very best fighters in live action. Ronin is a tier below her.

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Sara stomps.

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Clint wins. A sword is a big advantage.

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Smh w/ Blade's bait

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The sword that was chopping Outriders in half with single slices? It provides an interesting challenge but nothing Sara can't handle. She's just as good in swordsmanship as she is in h2h if not better. Sara wins.

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@tonymartial: Yea, I don't see Sara tagging him multiple times before he tags her once

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I see Sara tagging him multiple times before he tags her once.

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@rbt: I agree with you on this lol.

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I might be wrong but I remember Clint only cutting off that outrider's leg - Not his whole body

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@mhm-: He cleaved the Outrider in half IIRC

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Can Sara's staff even block the sword properly? Clint is strong enough to pierce metal with an arrow, and the staff looks pretty thin. If the fight were to go down in-universe, the sword obviously wouldn't slice the staff in half, but by showings...

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@bladeoffury:

Sara can parry hits from Isabella with Mirrakuru who was using a sword. Mirrakuru can penetrate metal with their fists.

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@bladeoffury: Sara strikes hard enough to casually snap rather thick chains. If anything is breaking here, it's Clint's sword.

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Sara wins, Sara is too fast for clint

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@mhm-: True. Clint isn't cutting through the staff

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What makes Sara so impressive? Scaling from Oliver or independent feats?

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@bladeoffury said:

What makes Sara so impressive? Scaling from Oliver or independent feats?

She can engage Samurai 2 at a time who were individually beating a powered Vixen and regularly clears impressive on paper fodder in large groups.

Bested Merlyn unarmed while he was armed with a knife, bested Damien Dhark twice, and stalemated Oliver in the crossover 1 on 1.

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Sara in a decent fight

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@rbt said:

I see Sara tagging him multiple times before he tags her once.

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Sara got stomped by E2 Laurel in seconds, Clint wins this.

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Chopping outriders in half isn't impressive. They never displayed exceptional piercing resistance. There pretty over hyped TBH.

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@subline: Because E2 Laurel is that good. She casually stomped in h2h not completely healed Thea Queen.

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What is it with the CW characters being so OP on here.

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Sara with minimal effort.

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@king_hellstorm:

She can engage Samurai 2 at a time who were individually beating a powered Vixen

Amaya could have been fighting 4 Samurais when she got knocked aside.

and regularly clears impressive on paper fodder in large groups.

Natasha does that as well. What showing in particular do you have in mind?

Bested Merlyn unarmed while he was armed with a knife, bested Damien Dhark twice, and stalemated Oliver in the crossover 1 on 1

Her fight with Oliver was way too short, and moments earlier he was depicted as better than her. Was Damien amped, like he was against Oliver?

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White canary mid diffs.

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Clint only due to bloodlust. If not Ronin Sara wins handily.

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@bladeoffury: lol, Sara has fought with the league of assassins multiple times with that staff and won, yes I know Robin > than an assassin but 10 league of assassins members > Ronin

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Sara wins. I wish Clint got a good amount of feats as Ronin in EG

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@bladeoffury:

Amaya could have been fighting 4 Samurais when she got knocked aside.

Max she could have been fighting would be 3 Samurai (that's how many Mick knocked out after Amaya was tossed aside). Three Samurai overwhelming a powered up Vixen, disarming and ragdolling her is still a gr8 feat. Amaya without using her totem can wreck 4 knights from Camelot era with ease. Also when the camera in on her a single Samurai is trading blows with her for some time. For fodder standards, these guys were crazy impressive.

Natasha does that as well. What showing in particular do you have in mind?

Ava clones, Bratva, League of Assassins, Vandal's future army soldiers. Nat's best fodder feat would be against Rumlow's men in Civil War? Sara's fodder feats are a tad more impressive.

Her fight with Oliver was way too short, and moments earlier he was depicted as better than her.

Their fight ended with a perfect stalemate - The 3v1 fight didn't make much sense at all if you ask me but I can see why you'd want to dismiss it I guess.

Was Damien amped, like he was against Oliver?

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This was the same Dhark from S4 with all his magic - He was brought to the past and resurrected then he started hoping through time.

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@king_hellstorm:

Max she could have been fighting would be 3 Samurai (that's how many Mick knocked out after Amaya was tossed aside). Three Samurai overwhelming a powered up Vixen, disarming and ragdolling her is still a gr8 feat. Amaya without using her totem can wreck 4 knights fromCamelot era with ease. Also when the camera in on her a single Samurai is trading blows with her for some time. For fodder standards, these guys were crazy impressive.

There were 6 Samurai available at the beginning. Sara and Amaya took down 2 on screen. There were 4 available to send Amaya flying off screen. Mick had a few second off screen, so he could have taken one down as he came in. They're still impressive for fodder, but Sara was only taking them on in groups of two. I would say that Natasha taking down 6 trained men is more impressive.

Ava clones, Bratva, League of Assassins, Vandal's future army soldiers. Nat's best fodder feat would be against Rumlow's men in Civil War? Sara's fodder feats are a tad more impressive.

The clones had good numbers, but they were as low-tier is they could possibly get, as Ray Palmer was casually wrecking them. The Bratva had the same numbers as Natasha's opponents, but they were half naked. The most she took was 2 LoA ninjas. Can you remind me of the Vandal feat?

Nat's fodder feat against Rumlow's men is better than any of Sara's standalone ones imo.

Their fight ended with a perfect stalemate - The 3v1 fight didn't make much sense at all if you ask me but I can see why you'd want to dismiss it I guess.

This was the same Dhark from S4 with all his magic - He was brought to the past and resurrected then he started hoping through time.

I'm fine with scaling Sara from Oliver, at least skill-wise. I think Ronin would still win, as he outclasses the super-soldiers in terms of speed/skill by quite a margin.

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@bladeoffury:

There were 6 Samurai available at the beginning. Sara and Amaya took down 2 on screen.

I think you should watch the episode...its 2x03 - There's a massive gap in between Sara and Vixen doing a pose and them actually fighting the samurai on screen. Our only figure to see how many Samurai were left was Mick taking down the three here

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They're still impressive for fodder, but Sara was only taking them on in groups of two. I would say that Natasha taking down 6 trained men is more impressive.

and Nat took out Rumlow's men in quick succession one on one - Not to mention those fodder are featless, Samurai are better on paper and have actual feats (deflecting a knife throw from Sara, fighting Amaya, cut chain with a sword). Also not true, right before the cut you can see Sara engage 3 Samurai while Amaya engages the other

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The clones had good numbers, but they were as low-tier is they could possibly get, as Ray Palmer was casually wrecking them.

Ray is a surprisingly good fighter at least in legends

His most impressive feat was again in the samurai episode, he manages to fight the lead samurai (logically better than the fodder) who at the time was wearing his atom suit. He manages to hold his own using a sword and knowledge of his suit - earlier in the episode Ray in his suit was sparring with Steel.

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also unless I'm mistaken he was fodderizing multiple ghosts in groups without getting tagged in Arrow season 4.

Also Ava clones are genetically engineered in 2213 to be the best at what they do (that's their whole purpose) - Also they were fulled armed with melee weapons. Also she engages 2-3 at a time while having a conversation with Ava prime - This was by definition casual for her.

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regarding the Bratva...being half naked doesn't affect their fighting ability - Within the CW they're still far above regular gangsters and probably above the fodder Nat took on as well - Not to mention this feat was before League training

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@bladeoffury: @king_hellstorm: Sara has an edge on Natasha. It's definitely a lot closer than what people say on here, but it's there. Overall, it's the feats against a wider variety of opponents that seals the deal for me.

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Id give Sara Lance the majority here.

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@the_magister: That's off topic as usual though, they are comparing fodder wrecking feats.