Roger vs G5 Luffy

Roger destroys anything in OP so far; honestly Shanks or Rayleigh would still oneshot Luffy

How TF is Luffy one shotting?

We can't exactly know but I would bet on Roger.

man wtf is fifth gear Luffy’s official color scheme, all these damn fan colored panels.

Luffy's Gear 5th was confirmed to be completely white...

Thanks if it was in the manga I missed it because Wano is torture that I can hardly tolerate so I skim throug (like the latest two filler chapters somehow we got more flashback of shit we seen than of Kaido’s life wtf)

I would’ve preferred Luffy with the flame hair and eyebrows tbh

Roger probably

and why Luffy is covered in white paint in this panel?

Roger is the Pirate King isn't he not? Jollyboy Luffy still needs to beat everyone of the Emperors if he wants to stand a chance against Roger.

Why yall acting like Roger and the Yonkos aren't in the same tier ? Nothing the old top dogs have done makes them leagues stronger then the current top guys

This is actually highly debatable, but I'm going with Roger for now.

@multivelda: when? I thought it was just confirmed white hair and white jacket?

The king of Pirates.

Roger

@vengefulparadox: Rayleigh was having trouble with Kizaru. Defintley not.

Kizaru would wash Luffy; where are you guys getting this notion that Luffy is suddenly among the toptiers in the verse when he had a very prolonged plot filled battle against Kaido who exhibited virtually nothing impressive to the standards of those characters? Rayleigh was also WAY past his prime; Luffy was getting cut by Kaido's Dragon twister which Zoro overpowered. Any hightier Swordsman like Mihawk, Shanks, Fuji, or Rayleigh would oneshot Luffy.

@vengefulparadox: Well since according to you Kaido is not a top tier... there is no reason for current Yonko/Admiral system to be in place.

Because according to you any single admiral could just walk up to Big Mom and Kaido, steamroll and one shot them. 🙄 Ah yes. Makes perfect narrative sense.

Preposterous!

@vengefulparadox:

Yonkos wouldn't be a thing in the first place of they were that weak.

Warlords were on side of the Navy. None of your points add up. Lol

Roger High Diff.

if you think any top tier is 1shotting another top tier in OP, you're reading the wrong series

OT: Roger for now, but EoS Luffy will surpass him

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ur opinion = creditless

@vengefulparadox: I'm 99% sure you are trolling now.

You didn't address anything I typed or even bother to answer the question.

The Yonkos are explicitly stated to be powerful top tiers. So much so, that the entire Warlord system was built to keep a balance in power.

If they were duch fodder as you said, this would never have to come into fruition and the title of Yonko and all the notierty + high bounty would be completely meaningless.

@vengefulparadox: I'm 99% sure you are trolling now.

You didn't address anything I typed or even bother to answer the question.

The Yonkos are explicitly stated to be powerful top tiers. So much so, that the entire Warlord system was built to keep a balance in power.

If they were such fodder as you said, this would never have to come into fruition and the title of Yonko and all the notierty + high bounty which comes along with it would be completely meaningless.

I am also of the belief that characters like Roger, Primebeard, Prime Garp or Xebec are not a whole tier above the yonkos, tho i do place them above on an individual level.

Still the main thing to note here is, Luffy is still not at the level where he can beat a Yonko level character in a straight up 1v1. He had multiple rest times and even ate, while Kaido ran a gauntlet. Luffy needed 2 mid-battle powerups just to finally fight Kaido on an equal footing

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = creditless

He is definitely trolling. It's just DoTheTwist/Hope on another alt lol

Wtf? Who seriously thinks Luffy could beat Roger?

Roger mid-diffs.

Nobody in the verse is capable of defeating current Luffy with moderate difficulty.

Roger mid-diffs.

Being the King of Pirates is a title that all the current Yonkos aspire to be. I don't think it makes very much since narratively for the King of Pirates to be on the same tier as the other Yonko. It is heavily implied that you must be above all the top tiers to be King.

@enemybird: maybe are view of "tiers" is different im talking power wise not prestige/ accomplishments. because for me if Roger is a tier above the yonko then he's mid diffing them. And that's not happing atleast not by feats

@xebec: I agree on Roger winning

Roger mid diff the gap aint that big if he pushed adult kiado back he can push roger

Roger for now

Neither is one shotting the other. Honestly Roger would win with difficulties. Personally feel like it'd be the upper part of mid diff but not quite high diff

How sad; a 70 post alt, a blatant ripoff of my user, and somehow knows previous users enough that he can claim im them. Whoever this guy is I keep hearing about mustve been an idol here the way people like you suck him off at literally every given opportunity. I've been alt checked what about you mate?

@enemybird said:

@xebec said:

@jurrian09 said:

Why yall acting like Roger and the Yonkos aren't in the same tier ? Nothing the old top dogs have done makes them leagues stronger then the current top guys

I am also of the belief that characters like Roger, Primebeard, Prime Garp or Xebec are not a whole tier above the yonkos, tho i do place them above on an individual level.

Still the main thing to note here is, Luffy is still not at the level where he can beat a Yonko level character in a straight up 1v1. He had multiple rest times and even ate, while Kaido ran a gauntlet. Luffy needed 2 mid-battle powerups just to finally fight Kaido on an equal footing

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = creditless

Being the King of Pirates is a title that all the current Yonkos aspire to be. I don't think it makes very much since narratively for the King of Pirates to be on the same tier as the other Yonko. It is heavily implied that you must be above all the top tiers to be King.

The Yonko are also all portrayed to be equal, including WB who was the World's Strongest Man and Roger's equal

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = creditless

@xebec said:

@enemybird said:

@xebec said:

@jurrian09 said:

Why yall acting like Roger and the Yonkos aren't in the same tier ? Nothing the old top dogs have done makes them leagues stronger then the current top guys

I am also of the belief that characters like Roger, Primebeard, Prime Garp or Xebec are not a whole tier above the yonkos, tho i do place them above on an individual level.

Still the main thing to note here is, Luffy is still not at the level where he can beat a Yonko level character in a straight up 1v1. He had multiple rest times and even ate, while Kaido ran a gauntlet. Luffy needed 2 mid-battle powerups just to finally fight Kaido on an equal footing

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = creditless

Being the King of Pirates is a title that all the current Yonkos aspire to be. I don't think it makes very much since narratively for the King of Pirates to be on the same tier as the other Yonko. It is heavily implied that you must be above all the top tiers to be King.

The Yonko are also all portrayed to be equal, including WB who was the World's Strongest Man and Roger's equal

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = creditless

What is your actual proof that ALL the Yonko are equal? Big Mom vs Kaido ending in a draw? Well.. Kaido did not mention Big Mom here so she is not as strong as Shanks. Shanks stopped Kaido from attacking WB off Panel so that puts Shanks at the top for now. The gorosei mentioned that both Kaido and Big Mom could stop Blackbeard, so that puts him at the bottom of the Yonko for now. 1. Shanks 2. Kaido 3. Big Mom 4. Blackbeard. When people reference the Yonko being equal, its more in terms of crew strength and territory control. 1v1 its becoming more clear is stronger.

Whitebeard was the able to fight Roger but that elevates WB, it doesn't reduce Roger down. Unless you have an example of another Yonko he was equal to?

@enemybird: out of the current yonko kaido is the strongest. Honestly the argument could easily be made that kaido could 1v1 any known character at this moment. Regardless he's still stronger then any of the other yonko

Tbh .....if we are reading the same story then someone that barley ...and I do mean barley beat Kaido after like 3-4 tries and it's not really a true win since Kaido was not fresh (W is still a W doesn't take away from Luffy).......then he is definitely not beating Roger.

Put it this way if you can make a argument for Kaido beating Luffy at full strength then....Luffy ain't there yet...he will be soon though

(Soon in One piece time is 20 years lmao)

NOTE: Roger Can't Oneshot Luffy....he is too strong now and too durable

If Kaido is the strongest then how are all the Yonko equal?

Didn't read a single word after the first comma LMAO 2022 accounts 💀 write me another paragraph though

@enemybird: they aren't all equal? That's never even been said. They are all in the same tier but kaido stands at the top of that tier

The whole big mom not being in Kaido's top 5 is super weird. I figure it's because she got a super high tier devil fruit at a young age which makes her overly reliant on her fruit. I've never viewed her as a haki master on the level of Shanks or Rayleigh. I'm sure she has all the advanced versions of haki, just not on that same level. And if she does and never bothered to use it against law and kid, she's a moron. She has that same freakish durability like Kaido, but it seems tied to her emotions as seen when she got injured after the caramel picture fiasco. I doubt Kaido is getting injured no matter his mental state though.

Kaido had Big Mom to help him and Luffy had to learn on the fly some new techniques. And don't give me that kaido wasn't fresh stuff when Luffy had to fight his way through Kaidos forces long before kaido was even doing anything

But you really can't make that argument without bringing up Luffys new powers

It's like what Kaido said, the real factor to who's the strongest is their haki, I'm personally gonna put Roger's Haki over Luffy's, I just feel like Roger was implied to be what Luffy will eventually be and maybe surpass.