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#1 Posted by rogueshadow (28835 posts) - - Show Bio

Rules:

  • In character.
  • Win by death or knockout.
  • Begin twenty feet apart in the BvS warehouse.
  • Robin has standard gear in all rounds.

Robin (Titans):

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Daredevil (MCU):

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  • Round One: Season 1 black suit Daredevil w/wooden billy clubs.
  • Round Two: Season 1 Daredevil (full gear).
  • Round Three: Season 2 Daredevil.
  • Round Three: Defenders Matt, no gear.
  • Round Four: Defenders Daredevil
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#2 Edited by King-Ragnar (2866 posts) - - Show Bio

Is the show even out yet? And is Robin that good?

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#3 Edited by TheHercules (365 posts) - - Show Bio

Robin stomps with lack of feats of course! Not Debatable

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#4 Edited by rogueshadow (28835 posts) - - Show Bio

@king-ragnar said:

Is the show even out yet? And is Robin that good?

No. He can't mess with current Matt at all. Down the line he might be able to. Which is why I gave it rounds.

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#5 Posted by SupremeGeneration (10260 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 1 tbh.

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#6 Posted by Slade-Prime (942 posts) - - Show Bio

Robin 5/10 in round 1 and 2, matt curbs him in the next three rounds. Hell he could arguable curb him in r2 but ill give robin that one.

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#7 Posted by mrmonster (12884 posts) - - Show Bio

Is the show even out yet? And is Robin that good?

Yes. It premiered on DC Universe today. At least it did here in America. It's still not clear when viewers outside the US will be able to watch it on Netflix.

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#8 Edited by StormShadow_X (15631 posts) - - Show Bio

He has one combat feat.... And people just rush to make these threads. If it was a binges ries sure but just one episode with one feat against fodder. Was this just made early for reasons cause as it stands this thread isn't debatable.

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#9 Posted by SupremeGeneration (10260 posts) - - Show Bio

He has one combat feat.... And people just rush to make these threads. If it was a binges ries sure but just one episode with one feat against fodder. Was this just made early for reasons cause as it stands this thread isn't debatable.

People are arguing that Robin can already beat black suit S1 Matt based off that feat. I mean sure it was impressive (the 3-4 story fall primarily, but that throw was insane too, I don't think even the tank that is DCEU Batfodder could do it) but I agree, this isn't really fair.

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#10 Posted by GeorgeWBush (10853 posts) - - Show Bio

Matt decimates

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#11 Posted by rogueshadow (28835 posts) - - Show Bio

Robin's strength, durability, gear and respectable skill are enough to give him a solid shot in R1 in my opinion.

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#12 Posted by Amcu (14851 posts) - - Show Bio

Just based off of the one fight scene that I've seen I'd say he has issues with 1. Matt is probably more skilled but Robin is likely physically superior(at least in terms of durability). I struggle to envision him passing 3.

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#13 Posted by Subline (4475 posts) - - Show Bio

Loses all Rounds as of right now.

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#14 Posted by ANTHP2000 (23076 posts) - - Show Bio

Unless he struggles with thugs and someone as terrible as Fisk in future fight scenes, there's no reason why he cannot win the first 2 rounds. It doesn't take that much to beat S1 Matt.

He dies against the others though.

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#15 Posted by Thanos_thebadas (896 posts) - - Show Bio

Why not do this until season 3 comes out? Its only less than a wee away now...

Matt wins as of now nevertheless anyway.

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#16 Posted by AngelJax (11075 posts) - - Show Bio

He can probably beat S1 Matt as of now

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#17 Posted by js_the_beast (936 posts) - - Show Bio

With his gear, he easily beats season 1 Matt

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#18 Posted by SupremeGeneration (10260 posts) - - Show Bio

With his gear, he easily beats season 1 Matt

@angeljax said:

He can probably beat S1 Matt as of now

Unless he struggles with thugs and someone as terrible as Fisk in future fight scenes, there's no reason why he cannot win the first 2 rounds. It doesn't take that much to beat S1 Matt.

He dies against the others though.

Someone explain this to me, I beg you.

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#19 Posted by ANTHP2000 (23076 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration: S1 Matt would struggle much more against these 5 thugs in an enclosed area. Honestly he was a pretty bad fighter back then. Big leap between the 2 seasons' ends.

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#20 Posted by Amcu (14851 posts) - - Show Bio

My opinion of season 1 Matt has been increasing lately. He wasn't great but I think Robin needs more feats to actually be more skilled than him. I think Robin will probably get those feats though.

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#21 Posted by RBT (25839 posts) - - Show Bio

Loses all Rounds as of right now.

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#22 Posted by webinyoureye11 (5205 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: what thugs did Matt struggle with? Not including the ones he fought with a broken rib, concussion & collapsed lung

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#23 Posted by ANTHP2000 (23076 posts) - - Show Bio

@webinyoureye11:

How do you think he got the broken rib, concussion and collapsed lung in the first place :p

Even ignoring this, he'd definitely not beat them anywhere near as easily as Robin did. He never treated thugs like nothing in S1.

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#24 Posted by webinyoureye11 (5205 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: well he was ambushed because he got reckless trying to save a kid. Robin is also far more brutal and had gear that helped. If he fought them barehanded I’d agree. Do you see robin beating 3 cops while handcuffed?

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#25 Posted by ANTHP2000 (23076 posts) - - Show Bio

@webinyoureye11: I don't remember him being ambushed.

The cop feat is the one feat that impressed me a lot during S1, and it's probably better than Robin's own hand to hand at this point, but his gear is way better.

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#26 Posted by SupremeGeneration (10260 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration: S1 Matt would struggle much more against these 5 thugs in an enclosed area. Honestly he was a pretty bad fighter back then. Big leap between the 2 seasons' ends.

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Plus Matt hard counters his gear. Radar sense makes the smoke useless and he's already an arrow timer so the birdrings won't do sh1t. It then becomes batons vs batons, and I'd back Matt any day.

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#27 Posted by ANTHP2000 (23076 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration: I don't think that's as impressive. Robin smashed a head against a wall just by putting enough pressure and took out the guys with much less hits than Matt usually did, and his hits were portrayed as being overall more effective (unless you disagree with using the sound effects and the visible damage the victim takes as hints of the actual output). He definitely hit harder and skill-wise, as impressive as the cop feat is, I'd argue he's comparable.

You're right about the smoke, but the staff (isn't it a staff?) gives much bigger reach than Matt's batons and I disagree on the shurikens, didn't he throw a baragge of them precisely at the guys? I don't see Matt dodging something of this scale, possible as it is.

He just seems much less grounded all things considered.

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#28 Posted by BruceRogers (16723 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: Matt was most definitely ambushed by the Russians, the first time. He even laments about his own carelessness.

Not commenting on this, but he did take around 6-10 fighters in close quarters when he was gravely injured. He even took out two or three cops with both hands tied behind his back.

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#29 Posted by SupremeGeneration (10260 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration: I don't think that's as impressive. Robin smashed a head against a wall just by putting enough pressure and took out the guys with much less hits than Matt usually did, and his hits were portrayed as being overall more effective (unless you disagree with using the sound effects and the visible damage the victim takes as hints of the actual output). He definitely hit harder and skill-wise, as impressive as the cop feat is, I'd argue he's comparable.

You're right about the smoke, but the staff (isn't it a staff?) gives much bigger reach than Matt's batons and I disagree on the shurikens, didn't he throw a baragge of them precisely at the guys? I don't see Matt dodging something of this scale, possible as it is.

He just seems much less grounded all things considered.

I'll do the batarings first:

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I don't think Robin would be able to overwhelm Matt in the shuriken regard. He's accurate, sure, but I highly doubt he'll tag Matt at all. Even if he did, just look at the fight above. He took a duckton of hits from Nobu, then took that beating from Fisk, then fought Melvin Potter IIRC. On the off chance he gets tagged, I don't think it'll do much.

I can give you the reach advantage, something Matt struggled with in the video above, but let's also remember he didn't use it extensively. He used the baton function more, and the only thing he did with the staff was KO two guys. We have no indication how good he is with the full length version just yet.

I can agree that Robin hits harder, but I don't think it'll help much. Matt's willpowered his way through a lot more than what Robin can dish out, such as the aforementioned series of events. As for skill, I don't think he's comparable at all. The thugs he fought were in essence featless and logically far inferior to cops, which Matt took out while handcuffed, and without gear. Robin used a smoke bomb meaning half of the guys he took out couldn't see him and the birdrings were the perfect distraction to blitz them. I mean they couldn't even see him.

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#30 Posted by ANTHP2000 (23076 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration:

Fair enough, I concede on the shurikens. One thing I disagree with is that cops would be much better than the thugs - cops really shouldn't be so much better, better yes, but not by much in regards to hand to hand combat.

I didn't remember the batons/staff thing. Didn't he use the staff to take out the 2-3 last guys? I still think the disparity in reach and striking is enough to overwhelm Matt.

@brucerogers: when was that? I don't remember him ever taking on these many people.

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#31 Posted by BruceRogers (16723 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: The hallway fight scene? There were easily over six, if not ten exactly

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#32 Posted by ANTHP2000 (23076 posts) - - Show Bio

@brucerogers: That was 6 in both rooms, but he had already taken out the first 3 before taking on the rest.

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#33 Posted by BruceRogers (16723 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: He was definitely taking on at least 4 at the same time though.

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#34 Posted by The_Badman (2652 posts) - - Show Bio

Robin doesn't have enough feats to win this. He has a stats advantage, but that's simply not enough.

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#36 Posted by SupremeGeneration (10260 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration:

Fair enough, I concede on the shurikens. One thing I disagree with is that cops would be much better than the thugs - cops really shouldn't be so much better, better yes, but not by much in regards to hand to hand combat.

I didn't remember the batons/staff thing. Didn't he use the staff to take out the 2-3 last guys? I still think the disparity in reach and striking is enough to overwhelm Matt.

@brucerogers: when was that? I don't remember him ever taking on these many people.

The only thing most thugs have is experience. Cops have formal training on top of that. Most, if not all, cops start out doing patrol work. That means that they have to be able to arrest a thug on the street should things get bad, and that includes outskilling them should it come to it.

He took out two guys in CQC with the baton function of the staff and KO'd them by extending it into a staff. Given that all he used was the baton in actual combat, we have no idea how effective he is with the staff.

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#37 Posted by dirtytree332 (414 posts) - - Show Bio

Robin first 3 rounds, Daredevil last 2.

Opinion will probably change after more Titans episodes are released.

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#38 Posted by Deathstroke_50 (397 posts) - - Show Bio

Robin.

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#39 Posted by Subline (4475 posts) - - Show Bio

Robin first 2 rounds, Matt in the last 3.

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#40 Posted by Jack_Hart (697 posts) - - Show Bio

Matt sweeps.

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#41 Posted by jayskee (4742 posts) - - Show Bio

Matt all rounds