Robin (Titans) vs Daredevil (MCU)

Rules:

• In character.
• Win by death or knockout.
• Begin twenty feet apart in the BvS warehouse.
• Robin has standard gear in all rounds.

Robin (Titans):

vs

Daredevil (MCU):

• Round One: Season 1 black suit Daredevil w/wooden billy clubs.
• Round Two: Season 1 Daredevil (full gear).
• Round Three: Season 2 Daredevil.
• Round Three: Defenders Matt, no gear.
• Round Four: Defenders Daredevil

Is the show even out yet? And is Robin that good?

Robin stomps with lack of feats of course! Not Debatable

No. He can't mess with current Matt at all. Down the line he might be able to. Which is why I gave it rounds.

Stops at 1 tbh.

Robin 5/10 in round 1 and 2, matt curbs him in the next three rounds. Hell he could arguable curb him in r2 but ill give robin that one.

Yes. It premiered on DC Universe today. At least it did here in America. It's still not clear when viewers outside the US will be able to watch it on Netflix.

He has one combat feat.... And people just rush to make these threads. If it was a binges ries sure but just one episode with one feat against fodder. Was this just made early for reasons cause as it stands this thread isn't debatable.

People are arguing that Robin can already beat black suit S1 Matt based off that feat. I mean sure it was impressive (the 3-4 story fall primarily, but that throw was insane too, I don't think even the tank that is DCEU Batfodder could do it) but I agree, this isn't really fair.

Matt decimates

Robin's strength, durability, gear and respectable skill are enough to give him a solid shot in R1 in my opinion.

Just based off of the one fight scene that I've seen I'd say he has issues with 1. Matt is probably more skilled but Robin is likely physically superior(at least in terms of durability). I struggle to envision him passing 3.

Loses all Rounds as of right now.

Unless he struggles with thugs and someone as terrible as Fisk in future fight scenes, there's no reason why he cannot win the first 2 rounds. It doesn't take that much to beat S1 Matt.

He dies against the others though.

Why not do this until season 3 comes out? Its only less than a wee away now...

Matt wins as of now nevertheless anyway.

He can probably beat S1 Matt as of now

With his gear, he easily beats season 1 Matt

Someone explain this to me, I beg you.

@supremegeneration: S1 Matt would struggle much more against these 5 thugs in an enclosed area. Honestly he was a pretty bad fighter back then. Big leap between the 2 seasons' ends.

My opinion of season 1 Matt has been increasing lately. He wasn't great but I think Robin needs more feats to actually be more skilled than him. I think Robin will probably get those feats though.

@anthp2000: what thugs did Matt struggle with? Not including the ones he fought with a broken rib, concussion & collapsed lung

@webinyoureye11:

How do you think he got the broken rib, concussion and collapsed lung in the first place :p

Even ignoring this, he'd definitely not beat them anywhere near as easily as Robin did. He never treated thugs like nothing in S1.

@anthp2000: well he was ambushed because he got reckless trying to save a kid. Robin is also far more brutal and had gear that helped. If he fought them barehanded I’d agree. Do you see robin beating 3 cops while handcuffed?

@webinyoureye11: I don't remember him being ambushed.

The cop feat is the one feat that impressed me a lot during S1, and it's probably better than Robin's own hand to hand at this point, but his gear is way better.

Plus Matt hard counters his gear. Radar sense makes the smoke useless and he's already an arrow timer so the birdrings won't do sh1t. It then becomes batons vs batons, and I'd back Matt any day.

@supremegeneration: I don't think that's as impressive. Robin smashed a head against a wall just by putting enough pressure and took out the guys with much less hits than Matt usually did, and his hits were portrayed as being overall more effective (unless you disagree with using the sound effects and the visible damage the victim takes as hints of the actual output). He definitely hit harder and skill-wise, as impressive as the cop feat is, I'd argue he's comparable.

You're right about the smoke, but the staff (isn't it a staff?) gives much bigger reach than Matt's batons and I disagree on the shurikens, didn't he throw a baragge of them precisely at the guys? I don't see Matt dodging something of this scale, possible as it is.

He just seems much less grounded all things considered.

@anthp2000: Matt was most definitely ambushed by the Russians, the first time. He even laments about his own carelessness.

Not commenting on this, but he did take around 6-10 fighters in close quarters when he was gravely injured. He even took out two or three cops with both hands tied behind his back.

I'll do the batarings first:

I don't think Robin would be able to overwhelm Matt in the shuriken regard. He's accurate, sure, but I highly doubt he'll tag Matt at all. Even if he did, just look at the fight above. He took a duckton of hits from Nobu, then took that beating from Fisk, then fought Melvin Potter IIRC. On the off chance he gets tagged, I don't think it'll do much.

I can give you the reach advantage, something Matt struggled with in the video above, but let's also remember he didn't use it extensively. He used the baton function more, and the only thing he did with the staff was KO two guys. We have no indication how good he is with the full length version just yet.

I can agree that Robin hits harder, but I don't think it'll help much. Matt's willpowered his way through a lot more than what Robin can dish out, such as the aforementioned series of events. As for skill, I don't think he's comparable at all. The thugs he fought were in essence featless and logically far inferior to cops, which Matt took out while handcuffed, and without gear. Robin used a smoke bomb meaning half of the guys he took out couldn't see him and the birdrings were the perfect distraction to blitz them. I mean they couldn't even see him.

@supremegeneration:

Fair enough, I concede on the shurikens. One thing I disagree with is that cops would be much better than the thugs - cops really shouldn't be so much better, better yes, but not by much in regards to hand to hand combat.

I didn't remember the batons/staff thing. Didn't he use the staff to take out the 2-3 last guys? I still think the disparity in reach and striking is enough to overwhelm Matt.

@brucerogers: when was that? I don't remember him ever taking on these many people.

@anthp2000: The hallway fight scene? There were easily over six, if not ten exactly

@brucerogers: That was 6 in both rooms, but he had already taken out the first 3 before taking on the rest.

@anthp2000: He was definitely taking on at least 4 at the same time though.

Robin doesn't have enough feats to win this. He has a stats advantage, but that's simply not enough.

@brucerogers: That's fair.

The only thing most thugs have is experience. Cops have formal training on top of that. Most, if not all, cops start out doing patrol work. That means that they have to be able to arrest a thug on the street should things get bad, and that includes outskilling them should it come to it.

He took out two guys in CQC with the baton function of the staff and KO'd them by extending it into a staff. Given that all he used was the baton in actual combat, we have no idea how effective he is with the staff.

Robin first 3 rounds, Daredevil last 2.

Opinion will probably change after more Titans episodes are released.

Robin.

Robin first 2 rounds, Matt in the last 3.

Matt sweeps.

Matt all rounds

After watching the titans season 1 robin can beat daredevil

Dick grayson seems a bit stronger than an average human.

He can beat season 1 and maybe 2 Daredevil. He is not beating defenders Matt though

Dick blitzes

Didn't miss something

1. Robin
2. Robin
3. Could go either way
4. Robin, since Matt doesn't have his armor or batons
5. Daredevil

Robin

Dick wins round one and I'll give him round two, but he loses there on out.

From what I know DD all rounds

Robin could probably take the first 2 rounds and that's about it.