Rob Lucci vs Senator Armstrong

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Pre Time skip Lucci vs Armstrong. Who wins and why?

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#2 juiceboks  Moderator

I'd say Armstrong eventually, Rob can't hurt him.

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Armstrong armament haki is too good i guess lol

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Lucci stomps and clowns him.

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#5  Edited By NinjaWarrior268

@highaccuser said:

Lucci stomps and clowns him.

Why feats are you using to say Lucci stomps?

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Why the sudden Lucci threads?

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@shirso: i'm guessing because he made a appearance in the new one piece movie

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@theonlytruth: Thats the reason for sure.

Also Lucci curbstomps. Even Pre timeskip he was massively sonic. Stronger then Gear 2 Luffy. and his Rokuogan bypasses most form of durability and directly targets the internal organs similar to a reject dial. Like it was strong enough to put luffy down pre PIS.

Post timeskip he is still featless, but by scaling he is near admiral level. So it becomes a god stomp

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Lucci is probably stronger than Raiden, so I think he wins.

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Going with Lucci

Yet to see the new movie but still from what I seen it's enough

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@overwarrior2:

Armstrong's durability (Nanotech) is no joke

Not saying Lucci can't win but definetly not a "God Stomp"....

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@copete: He does nothing in the new movie, so don't bother with looking for his feats in it.

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#13  Edited By Captain_Redfists

As someone who is caught up with One Piece and knows enough about Armstrong, The Senator stomps Lucci has little to no way of hurting him currently. Idk if current Sanji could beat him tbh. I would put his durability above a Pacifista but below Chinjao. Armstrong 9/10

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Armstrong. Reason?

"Nanomachines, Son!"

And he played college ball y'know.

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@captain_redfists: What has Armstrong done to suggest he is as strong as a Pacifista?

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Lucci takes it

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Armstrong couldn't even drop Raiden who gets hurt by normal missiles. How is he ever supposed to phase Lucci?

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Lucci can't hurt him and he's not fast enough. One piece characters speed are really overrated on this site tbh

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#22  Edited By FlashingSabre
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@flashingsabre: I need feats that put him near that speed. Because from the Water 7+Enies Lobby Arc he seems low supersonic at best unless I'm forgetting something

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@hey_thatsmildlyadequate: he blitzed pre-training Luffy, who could react to and deflect Enels lightning(mach 286).

Thsi alone puts him at Mach 300+...

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@hey_thatsmildlyadequate: Even aside from the multiple lightning timing feats of Luffy and Kallifa against Eneru and Nami (natural lightning users)to scale off of, Sanji and Zoro were very easily causing spontaneous combustion through air friction, which requires speed exceeding Mach 25, with casual movements. Lucci was faster than them without using his Devil Fruit.

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@hittheassasin: Can I see the scan of Luffy "reacting" to lightning, because from what I remember that whole fight was just Luffy taking hits because he couldn't dodge and they didn't hurt him. Also being fte to a lightning timer doesn't mean that they're faster than lightning. This logic would put characters like Constantine Drakon at mfts speeds since he's fte to bullet timers like Green Arrows

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@flashingsabre: The Kalifa thing is a definite outlier. I know Sanji can kick fast enough pre ts to ignite his legs but I don't recall this from Zoro. (If I can see scans it would be much appreciated to clear this up) but this just means he kicks faster than Luffy or Lucci can physically move since there's no way Luffy pre gears is breaking any sound barriers bar some big outliers

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@hey_thatsmildlyadequate: Zoro's Flying Dragon Slash technique involves his sword lighting on fire due to air friction, and then burning the target. He used it to kill Ryuma.

BoS Luffy was casually FTE to peak humans and higher. He increases his speed several times over before even getting his Gears. You can't seriously argue he wasn't supersonic before Ennies Lobby.

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@flashingsabre: Huh I don't really remember the Ryuma thing, I guess just wasn't paying attention(but it was thriller bark so meh)

For luffy, yeah even beginning of series he was casually dodging bullets while laughing and he's definitely demonstrated subsonic speeds, but I just can't recall a time pre gears he showed fts movement speed

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Lucci wins, but this is not a stomp.

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@hey_thatsmildlyadequate: how is OP speeds overrated here? There’s no speculation to their speeds it’s pretty clear. Luffy bullet timed to body blocked Zoro from a firing squad in the first arc from a building

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@back_stabbath95: I'm not talking about the bullet timing aspects, they've been casual bullet timers since the beginning, even Usopp has the reflexes to shoot bullets out of the air. I'm talking about people who think Luffy pre enies lobby is in the triple digit machs and things like that

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Luffy destroying a city block>>>>>>>Armstrong destroying a building sized Metal Gear. If he couldn't hurt Lucci neither will Armstrong.

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#34  Edited By Eredin12

Armstrong takes it. He destroyed metal gear that can no sell city multi block level attacks and is made to tank Nukes, and Senator destroyed it with just a shockwave, Armstrong can even punch ground so hard that lava comes from thousands of miles underneath, to the surface in few seconds, the only thing that Lucci has on him is speed but Senator is too durable.

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#35  Edited By SocaJunkie

Yea Lucci runs circles around him and eventually puts him down with Rokuogans.

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Low supersonic Rob? Weird times

He probably wins I guess

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#37  Edited By Eredin12
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@eredin12: When Luffy used gear 2 back when he fought Lucci, he produced sonic booms after some of his punches. Rob was able to dodge Luffy’s gear 2 attacks on more than one occasion.

Jet stream Sam was able to cut off Armstrong’s arm using the detonation in his scabbard to accelerate his slice. The shockwave from an explosion can move around the speed of sound.

Rob Lucci could in theory, blitz Armstrong before his nanomachines could protect him. I don’t know how durable he is outside of the nanomachine hardening but This is the only possible way.

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@enemybird: Shockwave from the explosion is much faster than sound actually, in fact, shockwave is by definition faster than sound:

"In physics, a shock wave (also spelled shockwave), or shock, is a type of propagating disturbance that moves faster than the local speed of sound in the medium. ... When a shock wave passes through matter, energy is preserved but entropy increases."

And for Armstrong, even without that armament Haki like hardening, he was durable enough to tank hits from Raiden pretty easily and Raiden is nearly as strong as him.

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Can Armstrong tank a haki based attack like Rokuougan?

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#41  Edited By Enemybird

@eredin12: at the end of the day we don’t know the exact specs on the weapon. I tried looking it up on the mgs wiki but I didn’t get anything helpful. The shockwave comparison I mentioned is just a lazy estimation on my part. If you look at his fight with Raiden, the sword actually seems to eject about as fast as Raiden is moving toward him. Raiden sure as hell isn’t supersonic in the cutscenes. The sword only truly accelerates when Sam grabs the weapon so honestly, who knows how fast that strike truly was.

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@enemybird: Raiden is not supersonic, he is MHS, including in cutscenes, while he may not look that fast, that is cinematic timing, hence why DBS characters often don't look very fast either.

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#44  Edited By Mee09

This is an absolute mismatch. Armstrong obliterates Lucci and I can't see how anyone thinks this is close. The dude briefly manhandled a 400 million Relativistic tonner.

Lucci's fingers will get broken just like Who's Who.

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#45  Edited By Enemybird

@mee09: raiden is inconsistent between gameplay and cutscenes. I just find it odd that he couldn’t blitz a regular human being without cutting George in half. There are other examples but that’s probably the most egregious

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#46  Edited By Mee09

@enemybird: That doesn't make him not Relativistic or a 400 million tonner.

Lucci would be equal fodder to both Raiden and Armstrong

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#47  Edited By Eredin12

@enemybird: Raiden in cutscenes, in much weaker body blitzed Mechs so fast that hypersonic super-soldier like Solid Snake, who can easily perceive/ dodge Mach 20 rail gun at close range while suffering a hard seizure and react to lightning , could not even see him

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11132/111325666/6554452-2353852003-65235.gif

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/14/147508/6075034-snake%20feat%20speed%20%2820%29.gif

He was holding back there, not to harm George accidentally, given how powerful HF Blade is, and the side effects it has, something he did not do with Armstrong/Sam