@andromeda101: Just like you think Shuma alluding to acquire Infinity Gems don't prove MvC is canon, the Scan doesn't prove A+X is canon until its events are verified.
Also I don't think it's an official bio, so I will stand by my previous statement. You don't, and that's fine by me.
@andromeda101: Well Scarlet Witch is not considered to be multiversal by any Marvel handbook like the one you mentioned about Shuma. But people still insist she is so despite the continuity problem regarding the crossover between Marvel vs Capcom and it's relevance to Earth-616, handbooks are generally not recognised for scaling characters. But high end PIS feat for overrated characters like Scarlet Witch could be countered with low end feats because the comments in this thread are totally contradictory with each other.
@andromeda101: Well Scarlet Witch is not considered to be multiversal by any Marvel handbook like the one you mentioned about Shuma. But people still insist she is so despite the continuity problem regarding the crossover between Marvel vs Capcom and it's relevance to Earth-616, handbooks are generally not recognised for scaling characters. But high end PIS feat for overrated characters like Scarlet Witch could be countered with low end feats because the comments in this thread are totally contradictory with each other.
No, because we're using a very specific high-end version of Scarlet Witch. We're using the version of her that released the Chaos Wave during "House of M." This version of Scarlet Witch was way more powerful than Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet.
Rune King Thor is an embarrassment ot this battle and gets fodderized by any of the other three.
If we were using standard Wanda outside of "House of M," then yes, she's most definitely not multiversal.
"House of M," though, very specifically confirmed her to be omniversal (in Marvel standards), so yeah, she kind of does wreck everyone here.
The posts about anyone on this list being comparable to Preretcon Beyonder are laughable, though.
@raimundopedrosa: I respect your opinion, and I would agree, but Thanos by feats was just more impressive with the IG than Wanda's mutant wipe. And I believe she wiped out 98% of the mutant demographic, not entirely.
Although one could also argue 2% could have just been the "good guys." Perhaps she intended it that way. I don't know.
@raimundopedrosa: I respect your opinion, and I would agree, but Thanos by feats was just more impressive with the IG than Wanda's mutant wipe. And I believe she wiped out 98% of the mutant demographic, not entirely.
Although one could also argue 2% could have just been the "good guys." Perhaps she intended it that way. I don't know.
Fair enough. I respect your opinion. I do want to reiterate, though, that 98% of mutants across the Marvel omniverse is significantly more impressive than 50% of life in one universe.
I'd still say that Scarlet Witch with the Chaos Wave during "House of M" trumps Thanos' feats.
@raimundopedrosa: True, she affected the MU on a multiversal/omniversal scale. Very valid point.
However, as someone in a different thread regarding HoM Wanda told me, we saw her wipe the mutant gene, but Thanos actually wiped Celestials, and actually became Eternity.
We didn't actually see on-panel Wanda take on even omega-level mutants in real confrontation. She even fled after speaking those three words. I do kind of wish DHH would have given Wanda some insane feats in 2015's HoM just to completely scale out her powers.
@sedlo: Both Wanda and Thanos do not have a grasp on their powers which is remotely as good as Thor's so Rune King Thor could evenly fight House of M Wanda and Infinity Gauntlet Thanos even if many people are claiming that he's much weaker. Same with Dormammu.
@banecapital: I'm going to have to disagree with you, BC.
Thanos was shown to be able to handle the power of the six gems. The only reason he was defeated is because he has a tendency to subconsciously allow himself to be. Plot convenience, of course, but still.
Watch how he chastises Nebula when she's in possession of the IG. Even when granted omniscience from the gauntlet, Nebbie was still inches away from completely losing her power as each second passed. If the gauntlet itself was not directly tied to the mind of its wielder, Nebbie would have easily been overthrown.
Thanos, on the other hand, was in total control of his own omnipotence and omniscience. He even rid himself of his omniscience and ability to see into the future just to make the fight "more fun." Thanos without omniscience was still more of a threat than Nebula WITH omniscience.
And as far as Wanda goes, don't you think she being unable to control her powers makes her even more dangerous? Thanos would realize this and be sure to dispose of her asap.
@raimundopedrosa: True, she affected the MU on a multiversal/omniversal scale. Very valid point.
However, as someone in a different thread regarding HoM Wanda told me, we saw her wipe the mutant gene, but Thanos actually wiped Celestials, and actually became Eternity.
We didn't actually see on-panel Wanda take on even omega-level mutants in real confrontation. She even fled after speaking those three words. I do kind of wish DHH would have given Wanda some insane feats in 2015's HoM just to completely scale out her powers.
I mean, we did see that those who stood in her way (like Hawkeye) got wrecked. Also, she warp Galactus and controlled MultiEternity. That's why I still stand by her strongly, but I do understand your points as valid ones as well. Of course, Thanos could just as easily warp Galactus with the Infinity Gauntlet, so that part isn't too big.
@banecapital: I'm going to have to disagree with you, BC.
Thanos was shown to be able to handle the power of the six gems. The only reason he was defeated is because he has a tendency to subconsciously allow himself to be. Plot convenience, of course, but still.
Watch how he chastises Nebula when she's in possession of the IG. Even when granted omniscience from the gauntlet, Nebbie was still inches away from completely losing her power as each second passed. If the gauntlet itself was not directly tied to the mind of its wielder, Nebbie would have easily been overthrown.
Thanos, on the other hand, was in total control of his own omnipotence and omniscience. He even rid himself of his omniscience and ability to see into the future just to make the fight "more fun." Thanos without omniscience was still more of a threat than Nebula WITH omniscience.
And as far as Wanda goes, don't you think she being unable to control her powers makes her even more dangerous? Thanos would realize this and be sure to dispose of her asap.
Umm, one thing here... Thanos was not omnipotent with the Infinity Gauntlet. In fact, he wasn't even entirely omniscient. Regardless, he was not omnipotent. If he was, then he would not have gotten steamrolled by the Living Tribunal. Not to mention what Preretcon Beyonder would've done to Thanos, had Thanos fought him for a long period of time.
In addition, Wanda during House of M with the Chaos Wave was not omnipotent either. She was closer to it than Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet was (due to being omniversal), but she was definitely not omnipotent, given that Phoenix undid her work.
Preretcon Beyonder would've annihilate Wanda with the Chaos Wave during House of M and Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet combined pretty fast.
As far as Rune King Thor being on par with them goes, however, I agree with you entirely: that's ludicrous nonsense lol.
I think Eternity called on him to step in and stop Thanos, but LT stated that no cosmic laws were being broken and that Thanos replacing Eternity would be nature taking its course. I'm not going to say LT ran from Thanos, because if he could easily nullify the threat of the IG while Adam Warlock attempted to challenge him with it, he could do the same to Thanos.
Also, I don't know if I can say Wanda was closer to omnipotence than Thanos. The IG fully kitted gives you total control of time, space, reality, mind, soul and power. Basically all that there is.
And for the last point, I agree, Rai. I wouldn't put RKT above Thanos with IG and HoM Wanda... but I also don't know if I'd exactly put him below, either. If I'm not mistaken, Thor as Rune King WAS omniscient and omnipresent.
I think Eternity called on him to step in and stop Thanos, but LT stated that no cosmic laws were being broken and that Thanos replacing Eternity would be nature taking its course. I'm not going to say LT ran from Thanos, because if he could easily nullify the threat of the IG while Adam Warlock attempted to challenge him with it, he could do the same to Thanos.
Also, I don't know if I can say Wanda was closer to omnipotence than Thanos. The IG fully kitted gives you total control of time, space, reality, mind, soul and power. Basically all that there is.
And for the last point, I agree, Rai. I wouldn't put RKT above Thanos with IG and HoM Wanda... but I also don't know if I'd exactly put him below, either. If I'm not mistaken, Thor as Rune King WAS omniscient and omnipresent.
Living Tribunal very clearly shut down the Infinity Gauntlet when he had to face it lol it wasn't even a match. It was pretty clearly its (the Living Tribunal's) victory.
I would still say that she was, given that she broke the omniverse and restructured it into her own new universe. She literally remde reality in her own image across the omniverse, a wider scale than Thanos did with his Infinity Gauntlet.
But Rune King Thor was definitely never above universe level.
But just keep in mind that Thanos was never omnipotent, not with the Infinity Gauntlet, not without it. He was, though, omnipotent (but weirdly only on a universal scale, which is why Adam Warlock in a different universe wasn't affected) on a universal level with the Heart of the Universe. Then, he beat the Living Tribunal.
But with just the Infinity Gauntlet, he got shut down by the Living Tribunal. But neither he nor Wanda was omnipotent.
White Phoenix of the Crown is another badass heavyweight who's often mislabeled omnipotent, when really, she's not anything of the sort.
@raimundopedrosa: LT never shut down the IG during those events, though. That wasn't until Infinity War, I think.
It was wrestled away from Nebula, then fell into the hands of Adam Warlock who set everything back to normal. The famous "LET THE CONFLICT END!" quote.
I'm just unsure whether or not Wanda would have the durability to take IG Thanos down.
@raimundopedrosa: LT never shut down the IG during those events, though. That wasn't until Infinity War, I think.
It was wrestled away from Nebula, then fell into the hands of Adam Warlock who set everything back to normal. The famous "LET THE CONFLICT END!" quote.
I'm just unsure whether or not Wanda would have the durability to take IG Thanos down.
In the end, the Living Tribunal did shut down the Infinity Gauntlet, though. When push came to shove, then the Living Tribunal did clearly and explicitly overpower the Infinity Gauntlet.
I still say that she would, given how easily she warped everything in all of reality to her will. And she's a good-natured person, so she could do some scary things while bloodlusted.
But my point is that, due to losing to the Living Tribunal, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet is definitely not omnipotent; omnipotent literally means limitlessly able to do whatever you want, which Thanos is not with the Infinity Gauntlet. There's a reason why he lost to the nigh omnipotent Living Tribunal with the Infinity Gauntlet, but won with the Heart of the Universe.
@raimundopedrosa: It definitely is hard to know who is truly omnipotent in comics, lol.
The word gets tossed around too much.
Yeah, I agree. I would honestly say that Marvel abuses the word way more than DC does, though. The last person in DC to actually be deemed omnipotent was Elaine Belloc, but that's because Elaine actually is omnipotent.
BTW, here is the scan of Living Tribunal overpowering the Infinity Gauntlet haha. I figured that it'd help.
@raimundopedrosa: Elaine Belloc would stomp anything Marvel could throw at her, honestly. Of course, barring TOAA and perhaps Squirrel Girl.
And yeah, LT is multiversal. The IG only works in that specific universe it resides in. IW was a great story.
Elaine would annihilate anyone in Marvel, including Squirrel Girl, and except for The One Above All, with whom she would stalemate. That wouldn't be a stomp either way; they're basically each other's counterparts. Elaine is the One Above All in DC, and The One Above All is the Elaine of Marvel, basically.
As for Squirrel Girl, if it's just her without backing from The One Above All (the writer) in Marvel, then she's getting curbstomped by Elaine, because DC is not going to entertain the Family-guy-style overdone "joke" of a charactre beating everyone else "just 'cause" like Squirrel Girl does.
I'd say that Squirrel Girl is more comparable to Danny the Street and Dolphin Girl from DC haha.
@sedlo: Well the Infinity Gauntlet is clearly specified as useless in more than a single universe but that doesn't mean that Darkseid should win the ScrewAttack DeathBattle against Thanos, in case there was an Infinity Gauntlet involved. So putting it on the name of thread means that the Infinity Gauntlet is allowed to be used, which results in the tag team battle happening in the Earth-616 universe where it can be used. If Wanda tries to use her influence over other universes to gain the upper hand, then she loses by battlefield removal. Every single one of the four participants need to remain in the Earth-616 universe for being allowed to win in this fight. Since everyone's saying that Wanda's multiversal status means that I've just created another mismatch, I'm defending myself by bringing official stipulations to my forum as specified above. And for those claiming that Thanos stomps, well the Infinity Gauntlet of Thanos is more powerful than Wanda's magic in Earth-616, but he would be much more weakened than her when affected by Dormammu's and Rune King Thor's reality warping abilities within the Earth-616 universe so this fight is completely fair, awesome and unpredictable and everyone should stop posting nonsense comments about anyone stomping since synergy, especially on such a high level, is what's making all the difference.
@sedlo: Well the Infinity Gauntlet is clearly specified as useless in more than a single universe but that doesn't mean that Darkseid should win the ScrewAttack DeathBattle against Thanos, in case there was an Infinity Gauntlet involved. So putting it on the name of thread means that the Infinity Gauntlet is allowed to be used, which results in the tag team battle happening in the Earth-616 universe where it can be used. If Wanda tries to use her influence over other universes to gain the upper hand, then she loses by battlefield removal. Every single one of the four participants need to remain in the Earth-616 universe for being allowed to win in this fight. Since everyone's saying that Wanda's multiversal status means that I've just created another mismatch, I'm defending myself by bringing official stipulations to my forum as specified above. And for those claiming that Thanos stomps, well the Infinity Gauntlet of Thanos is more powerful than Wanda's magic in Earth-616, but he would be much more weakened than her when affected by Dormammu's and Rune King Thor's reality warping abilities within the Earth-616 universe so this fight is completely fair, awesome and unpredictable and everyone should stop posting nonsense comments about anyone stomping since synergy, especially on such a high level, is what's making all the difference.
Lol no, she does not.
Wanda can perfectly easily move to a different universe, unleash her Chaos Wave powers that she got from "House of M," and actually beat her two opponents very easily. You may consider it "loss by abttlefield removal," but in a straight up fight, she's still winning. She'll be still insanely powerful at the end of the fight, whiel Thanos and Rune King Thor will be wiped out of existence.
Run King Thor is a joke in this fight, Dormammu would beat him, and Wanda with the Chaos Wave from House of M is going to solo this. She's just way too good.
@raimundopedrosa: This is my thread and just like many others it could be locked as a mismatch so no the overrated Scarlet Witch is not allowed to use another universe in her fight with Thanos and this would be terrible like the DeathBattle loss of Thanos against Darkseid.
@kh0rn3: Yeah but if you're looking at the comments there's actually a surprisingly high number of fanboys who're actually believing that so you should explain the obvious because not only yours but many other heads as well are in danger of exploding.
@soratoumiga: Yeah and Rune King Thor belongs to Dormammu's tier since they're both more powerful than Odin but not incomparably superior to him. So the cosmic reality warping ability of Rune King Thor and Infinity Gauntlet Thanos could deliver an amazing and even fight against the equally potent magical reality warping ability of Dormammu and the House of M version of Scarlet Witch and that's why no one can solo.
@raimundopedrosa: It definitely is hard to know who is truly omnipotent in comics, lol.
The word gets tossed around too much.
Yeah, I agree. I would honestly say that Marvel abuses the word way more than DC does, though. The last person in DC to actually be deemed omnipotent was Elaine Belloc, but that's because Elaine actually is omnipotent.
BTW, here is the scan of Living Tribunal overpowering the Infinity Gauntlet haha. I figured that it'd help.
I mean, all Adam did in that scan was release a wave of anger that knocked away the abstracts but LT put things back in order. LT didn't actually engage IG directly in that story and claims that doing so would result in the end of this reality.
@tony_shark: Disagreed, I consider them to be on a similar level.
This except Wanda has the bonus of being much harder to actually put down. She pretty much can only be killed if she wants to. Team 2 should win and RKT is a non-factor.
@raimundopedrosa: It definitely is hard to know who is truly omnipotent in comics, lol.
The word gets tossed around too much.
Yeah, I agree. I would honestly say that Marvel abuses the word way more than DC does, though. The last person in DC to actually be deemed omnipotent was Elaine Belloc, but that's because Elaine actually is omnipotent.
BTW, here is the scan of Living Tribunal overpowering the Infinity Gauntlet haha. I figured that it'd help.
I mean, all Adam did in that scan was release a wave of anger that knocked away the abstracts but LT put things back in order. LT didn't actually engage IG directly in that story and claims that doing so would result in the end of this reality.
@tony_shark: Disagreed, I consider them to be on a similar level.
This except Wanda has the bonus of being much harder to actually put down. She pretty much can only be killed if she wants to. Team 2 should win and RKT is a non-factor.
But overall, Living Tribunal could easily overpower the Infinity Gauntlet and did as much.
TWSAIS are strongly implied to be Beyonders, RKT is above them, gg
No, he is not. Putting Rune King Thor above the Beyonders is delusional when he's not even really above Galactus. "House of M" Wanda with the Chaos Wave ends this fight before it starts.
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