Rey Palpatine vs General Grievous

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Poll Rey Palpatine vs General Grievous (78 votes)

Rey 59%
Grievous 41%

Fighters:

1. Rey as of TROS after she completes her training by speaking with the past Jedi

2. General Grievous at the peak of his power with four sabers

Conditions:

1. Force is allowed

2. Both are blood-lusted (Grievous killed Kylo and Rey blew up his army)

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#52 Bayman007  Online

@the_institution: Rey lost to Kylo, very true. But in her first showing managed to beat him. A force user, and in this battle all she needs is one weapon, not 4.

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@grinningf0x: Unless you have other evidence that is suggested other wise that is what we have to work with.

Now are you going to talk about Rey's grand accomplishments or just keep diverting the subject?

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@the_institution: no it’s conjecture you pulled out your behind to prop up your misguided opinions

I’m still waiting on you to post something of substance

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@the_institution: Rey lost to Kylo, very true. But in her first showing managed to beat him. A force user, and in this battle all she needs is one weapon, not 4.

Grievous killed more force users with a lightsaber than Rey has been in fights.

You have mentioned nothing impressive or extraordinary to put her on the level of Grievous in a saber fight, merely being able to swing a lightsaber isn't enough.

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#56  Edited By Bayman007  Online
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@grinningf0x said:

@the_institution: no it’s conjecture you pulled out your behind to prop up your misguided opinions

I’m still waiting on you to post something of substance

lmao it isn't a conjecture, it's common sense that the weakest would be what I mentioned. (Ahsoka or Nehdar)

Grievous fought in the front lines as such he wouldn't have killed Jedi that were not skilled enough to be in the front lines (So he wouldn't have "fought" anyone below the age of 14 as bringing younglings to the frontline in canon is not a thing, now unless you're trying to imply Rey is better than youngling under thirteen you are just wasting space to state the obvious), Ahsoka despite her young age and incredible skill she was still a Padawan.

To put this into perspective Obi-Wan was still a Padawan when he was 25, Ahsoka earned Knight status by the time she was seventeen so any individuals younger than her fighting Grievous would have had to been ridiculous more skilled than her to be even deployed there and that's highly improbable due to what a special case she is.

Now are you going to post any worth substance or argue about semantics that don't matter to the topic at hand.

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@the_institution: If this was noob Rey then point taken, but alas

So?

Grievous stomped noob Ahsoka and she's at the very least comparable but with better physical feats and skill.

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#60  Edited By Grinningf0x

There ROTS Anakin >TROS Rey > ROTJ in lightsaber skill

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@the_institution: Show me Ahsoka being stomped.

Please give us Ahsoka before anyone else — STAR WARS™ BATTLEFRONT™

There ROTS Anakin >TROS Rey > ROTJ in lightsaber skill

Luke Skywalker Vs Darth Vader Return Of The Jedi GIF | Gfycat

ROTJ Luke's Lightsaber skills are nothing to brag about, he only beat Vader through a darkside amp and brute force.

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It was established in the prequels that duelists need time and training to become good duelists, which is the right thing, the force helps a lot in the rapid evolution in a superhuman level, yet Rey is not aware of the basic in duel!

Rey winning against Kylo was an unnecessary mistake even though Kylo was injured ... it is evident that Rey won due to external political factors (feminism) and not for the sake of the good development of the story within the plot it would be perfectly possible Kylo ren to come out victorious which would be consistent and not just a useless PIS fanservice.(despite the hype Kylo ren is also a very bad duelist)

The second film makes it evident that Rey is a real shit in the use of lightsaber being in the scene where she "trains" and especially in the combat scenes (where Rey actually DIED)

Third film where Rey has a training time plus no feat or demonstration of skill with relevant lightsaber.

The fact that Daisy Ridley is a bad action actress and the choreography sucks makes it even all yet worse

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@the_institution: so Luke’s a bad Lightsaber duelist now??

your narrative is crumbling and you know it

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#65  Edited By The_Institution

@grinningf0x said:

@the_institution: so Luke’s a bad Lightsaber duelist now??

your narrative is crumbling and you know it

Strawman argument when did I say he was a bad duelist? Just because I'm not a Reylo fanboy doesn't mean I automatically put original trilogy and sequel characters to be freaking Darth Vader tier.

I said they aren't that impressive, and logically they shouldn't since Vader has decades on Luke and has fought people whom also had decades of experience.

Regardless of "potential" it is experience/skill that matter in the Star Wars universe the most, natural power can only carry one so far as we've seen what happens to Anakin in his fight against Dooku and how despite being inferior to Anakin it was Obi-Wan's skill and knowledge that allowed him to beat Anakin's stats.

Rey being above someone (Via word of god not even feat wise) who never had a real light saber fight against a peer doesn't make her status any different, fact is she's only ever won one light saber fight in canon and Kylo Ren is not a Darth Vader tier duelist especially when wounded or conflicted.

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Martin is the word of God?

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Martin is the word of God?

^^

Why does everyone cite him as if he has as much say in the matter as George Lucas

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#69  Edited By DrunkHC

Skill in the use of a sword is much more relevant than superior statistics, someone like Savage for example even with his great physical strength would never beat any level 8 duelist in a lightsaber fight, and being powerful in the force at the canon is not so relevant in a duel as EU.

Matt for me has no relevance https://www.starwars.com/news/contributor/mmartin

Matt is Lucasfilm’s manager of digital content and community relations.

Matt was a creative executive in the third season of Rebels which doesn't mean much, he has no influence on comics or movies... his opinion is not a fact

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I choose rey could I think she would start off with the force and overwhelm grievous if she tried to duel him she would die badly.

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@necromancer76: Yes. His inconsistencies and low showings like I said. Kenobi always makes him run away because of plot. If you actually watch their scenes he always runs away because he gets force pushed after mocking Kenobi instead of properly putting him in a helpless position or trying to kill him, which he never does aside from pinning him in the season 7 unfinished scene duel. He outfights Kenobi but the plot makes it so he runs away because of his cocky attitude in canon. This is why I much prefer his Legends counterpart. He would still stomp Kylo imo.

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@void_reborn: We're in agreement here for the most part. PIS is abundant within TCW, and I also greatly prefer the Legends General Grievous because he actually lived up to his title of Jedi Killer and was genuinely intimidating.

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@necromancer76: Yes and he was portrayed so much better. Psychological warfare, no bullshit attitude etc.

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@grinningf0x:

Matt's thoughts on Twitter do not matter. Even if Rey was comparable to Luke I would still say canon Grievous is capable of defeating him. Luke battering down a conflicted Vader who was also ordered not to kill him due to a rage amp is not very impressive.

If we are using Legends Grievous vs Kylo or Rey this happens:

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#76  Edited By Void_Reborn

@bayman007: Deny it all you want. Ahsoka was practically 3 shotted by Grievous and they all would've died if he was fighting more seriously. Plot demanded she get knocked away by his wrist instead of being sliced in half right there lol.

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Grievous wins.

Rey is a padawan

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@bayman007: It's up to you whether or not you want to repeat your answer. Rey is practically sub seasons 1-3 Ahsoka and Nahdar as a duelist so she would get stomped either way.

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Rey is a walking plot-device and there is literally no skill-progression for her from TFA to TROS - she got beat by a Luke who was superior to Vader.

Without plot-armor, Grievous would destroy her.

Rey Palpatine is my favorite Non-Canon character, though. : )

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#87 Bayman007  Online

Still Rey using her raw skill and speed.

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@bayman007: You can be condescending and give me a flat response or actually bring up some relevant points as to why you're opposing the idea that Rey gets utterly stomped in CQC.

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#89  Edited By Bayman007  Online

@void_reborn: Shut up mate. You outright told me that i could deny Ahsoka getting stomped all i want, that i'm wrong. Well i do, and i'm not.

Rey wins this with her raw skill and speed. Grievous looses again

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@void_reborn: Shut up mate. You outright told me that i could deny Ahsoka getting stomped all i want, that i'm wrong. Well i do, and i'm not.

Rey wins this with her raw skill and speed. Grievous looses again

Unnecessarily antagonistic. Ahsoka did get stomped. Idk what else you want to call it.

Ahhh, I get it! You don't think the word emphasises her utter defeat well enough. I'll give you some synonyms then. You get to choose your pick.

Crushed

Wrecked

Disposed of

Destroyed

Obliterated

Decimated

Annihilated

Thrashed

Dismissed

Demolished

Trounced

Vanquished

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#91  Edited By Bayman007  Online

@void_reborn: Stop chatting out of your rear end.

She did not get stomped, or any of those other words you have pulled from your dictionary.

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#92  Edited By Richard96

Grievous butchers.

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@bayman007: She got 3-shotted.

Actually no. She was the one who attacked first. She literally got one shotted after Grievous effortlessly blocked 2 strikes with one saber.

She was stomped. sTop tAlkiNg oUT Of yOru ReAR eNdDDNnd

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@bayman007: I don't understand what your definition of stomped is. Does Grievous actually have to step on her for it to be classified as a stomp? Lmfao

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@void_reborn: I know you dont understand. But keep on laughing :-)

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Rey isn't beating Grevious in a duel, lmfao

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@bayman007: I definitely will, thank you very much.

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#99 Bayman007  Online

@void_reborn: Good for you.

Here you go, just to see you through the day.

Ahsoka wasn't stomped.

Rey beats Grevious with raw skill and speed.

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Rey isn't beating Grevious in a duel, lmfao

^

It's logic. Even for someone I have disagreed with a plentiful amount of times.