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Poll Revan vs Vader (134 votes)

Revan 48%
Vader 52%

Peaks for both

Fighting on a wide invisible platform on the ocean.

Who wins and why?

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So it's agreed, Vader wins xD

Vader gets one shotted lmao.

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@arkhamasylum3: How does it feel now? Probably what I’m feeling. Disgust.

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@i_like_swords: ??? He was never pressed by anything except vitiate in his prime. It is quite clear in TOR. He killed multiple temple guard like they were fodder before moving onto vitiate. Nyriss got dusted, a clear high tier as her lightning is powerful enough to turn people to ash. So nyriss>Dooku in force showings. And she was stronger than scourge as stated by himself. Not that big of a deal just solidifies her as a high tier as scourge himself is high mid. Revan had no issues until the vitiate fight and only got captured because of the literal force void of Nathema. Force voids weaken force users. Huh who knew? Vader can beat sith revan. Not reborn or SOR. Revan just has far superior showings in like literally everything. Unfortunate for Vader who has been getting newer and better feats in canon but still. Not good enough.

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Vader solo him

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If composite: then Revan.

Canon: Vader against a feat-less Revan.

Legends: Good Fight, but Still Revan.

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SoR Revan takes it in a very close fight. EoO Revan stomps

If composite: then Revan.

Canon: Vader against a feat-less Revan.

Legends: Good Fight, but Still Revan.

what dyu mean if composite?

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Revan wins

He is better in pretty much everything+better stats

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@paxa said:

Revan wins

He is better in pretty much everything+better stats

Good job. Another member to join the Revan > Vader clan

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@darthor: I also think Revan is the better Character.

Revans Story is better as Anakins/Vaders.Vader is just more iconic,thats pretty obv

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@paxa said:

@darthor: I also think Revan is the better Character.

Of course he is. He is my fav character

Revans Story is better as Anakins/Vaders.Vader is just more iconic, thats pretty obv

Exactly

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@darthor said:
@paxa said:

Revan wins

He is better in pretty much everything+better stats

Good job. Another member to join the Revan > Vader clan

@darthor said:
@paxa said:

@darthor: I also think Revan is the better Character.

Of course he is. He is my fav character

Revans Story is better as Anakins/Vaders.Vader is just more iconic, thats pretty obv

Exactly

yep i agree REVEN FOR LIFE!!!!

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@darthor said:
@paxa said:

Revan wins

He is better in pretty much everything+better stats

Good job. Another member to join the Revan > Vader clan

@darthor said:
@paxa said:

@darthor: I also think Revan is the better Character.

Of course he is. He is my fav character

Revans Story is better as Anakins/Vaders.Vader is just more iconic, thats pretty obv

Exactly

yep i agree REVEN FOR LIFE!!!!

Yes. The Order of Revan shall rise again.

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Vader stomp him ease

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#118 frozen  Moderator

@paxa said:

@darthor: I also think Revan is the better Character.

Revans Story is better as Anakins/Vaders.Vader is just more iconic,thats pretty obv

Hard disagree.

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#119 frozen  Moderator
@uhu123 said:

SoR Revan should take it in a pretty close fight.

You think SoR Revan can beat KFV?

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@frozen said:
@uhu123 said:

SoR Revan should take it in a pretty close fight.

You think SoR Revan can beat KFV?

I don't see why not. Considering the fact that KFV's scaling don't apply to Revan, and Revan has way better feats

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@eredin12 said:

KF is fodder to Revan lol, some bias never changes though. Prime Vader takes it in good fight

Why does Prime Vader even take SoR Revan not to mention EoO. Dyu want a CaV on Revan vs Vader?

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@uhu123 said:

Revans "story" being better than Anakins/Vaders literally just gave me cancer.

@frozen said:
@paxa said:

@darthor: I also think Revan is the better Character.

Revans Story is better as Anakins/Vaders.Vader is just more iconic,thats pretty obv

Hard disagree.

why? Revan's story is very cool. SWTOR did him no justice in terms of stories tho

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#126 frozen  Moderator

@darthor said:
@frozen said:
@uhu123 said:

SoR Revan should take it in a pretty close fight.

You think SoR Revan can beat KFV?

I don't see why not. Considering the fact that KFV's scaling don't apply to Revan, and Revan has way better feats

I was curious on Uhu's reasoning, as he holds KFV as prime.

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#127 frozen  Moderator

@darthor:

why? Revan's story is very cool. SWTOR did him no justice in terms of stories tho

Because Anakin's story is arguably top 5 in all of SW. At the heart of the 6 films from TPM through to ROTJ, is the story of Anakin Skywalker - tragic, compelling and riveting.

TCW adds to the emotional punch and his redemption in ROTJ is immensely satisfying and perhaps the best moment in SW history.

Revan is cool but I don't think his story/arc measures up to Vader's. It's an extremely high bar which most characters fall short of IMO.

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@eredin12 said:

@darthor: I don't do CaVs but can you tell me where do you rank SoR/EoO Revan first?

I have SoR Revan slightly above or on par with SK. They are IMO around the same level

EoO Revan is IMO Caedus level

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@frozen said:
@darthor said:
@frozen said:
@uhu123 said:

SoR Revan should take it in a pretty close fight.

You think SoR Revan can beat KFV?

I don't see why not. Considering the fact that KFV's scaling don't apply to Revan, and Revan has way better feats

I was curious on Uhu's reasoning, as he holds KFV as prime.

I see. But what are your reasons for Vader > Revan?

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@darthor:

why? Revan's story is very cool. SWTOR did him no justice in terms of stories tho

Because Anakin's story is arguably top 5 in all of SW. At the heart of the 6 films from TPM through to ROTJ, is the story of Anakin Skywalker - tragic, compelling and riveting.

Revan's story also combines all of these.

TCW adds to the emotional punch and his redemption in ROTJ is immensely satisfying and perhaps the best moment in SW history.

True, but Revan's own redemption and his relationship with Bastila is IMO on per with that

Revan is cool but I don't think his story/arc measures up to Vader's. It's an extremely high bar which most characters fall short of IMO.'

I agree. Anakin is most certainly top 5 for me. I just have Revan slightly above in terms of story

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@eredin12 said:

@darthor: I see but i was more looking at the reason for that, are you scaling him to Valk or?

For SoR Revan I am using his feats more or less. Combined his feats with his scaling over characters such as weakened Valk who can bust temples who got ragdolled by a hindered HoT who is below the version that fought Revan who got ragdolled by Revan

For EoO, he is twice SoR Revan. Thats why I have him at Caedus's level

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@eredin12 said:

@darthor: What of his feats would you say are as good as matching ANH Emperor?

Ragdolling the Outlander while facing 7 strong opponents

Manipulating 40 meteors while massively hindered from 300 years of mental torture from 7 of the most powerful beings in the universe

Scales massively above city-level, which should easily be above your StarDestroyer feat

etc.

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@eredin12 said:

@darthor:

Ragdolling the Outlander while facing 7 strong opponents

Manipulating 40 meteors while massively hindered from 300 years of mental torture from 7 of the most powerful beings in the universe

And where do you hold Outlander at ?

Scales massively above city-level, which should easily be above your StarDestroyer feat

Star Destroyers can tank planet and overpower planet busting force of black hole, city level is completely inconsequential in comparison

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1. Outlander >>> Base HoT >>> Hindered HoT who just fought through an army >>>>>> Valk who can bust temples

2. That is correct. But then you have to consider how far above does Revan scale

Revan >>>>>>>>>> SoR EW II >>> Act III EW II > Darth Baras >>> Lord Fulminisis who destroyed a city

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@eredin12 said:

@darthor: Eh tbh with you this is scaling in which i am not completely convinced about, about it being better than some feats/scalling Vader has, but as I also love Revan, i will agree with you here lol

It's honestly quite iron-clapsed. And I'm not aware of anything Vader has placing above this feat. But fair enough lol

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This is a true battle, 112 votes and dead even?? Amazing!

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@frozen: Its a matter of taste

Anakin was...i hated him for "killing" Mace and he was far to often nothing like a brat

His story is longer,yeah.Dude was a Major player in all 6 movies.But i liked Revans Story in KotoR more.

Still a shame we never got KotoR 3.

And somethings telling the new writter for the remake will fuck up Revan

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This is a true battle, 112 votes and dead even?? Amazing!

It's no longer a true battle after EoO. But this thread was created before EoO. But I agree, SoR Revan vs Prime Vader is super close. Even me, somebody who have Revan very high believes that Revan wins only by 8/10.

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Vader stomp him ease

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@frozen: Its a matter of taste

Anakin was...i hated him for "killing" Mace and he was far to often nothing like a brat

In terms of story telling killing Mace is actually adding to the tragedy of Anakin's story. And unless you happen to love Mace I don't see why you should penalize Anakin's story due to that particular event

His story is longer,yeah.Dude was a Major player in all 6 movies.But i liked Revans Story in KotoR more.

I agree

Still a shame we never got KotoR 3.

There is still hope that they will make one, and we must believe it no matter what cause

And somethings telling the new writter for the remake will fuck up Revan

The lead writer is ok, and given the developer's track record I'm thinking basic quality will be guaranteed. But I doubt they can write it as good as Drew

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@uhu123 said:

@darthor: Honestly, Revan story is fine, it's his character that is the problem, he's just way too bland and boring IMO. Anakin/Vader on the other hand is probably the most complex and interesting character in the EU while also having an absolutely amazing story himself. At the end of the day however, it all comes down to personal opinion, no real need for a "debate" on such topics.

True. Personally I don't think Revan is boring by any means. But ok...

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Vader will solos him

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DT (prime) Vader wins in a great fight.

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#147  Edited By CatMan5

Revan in an absolutely spectacular fight

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DT (prime) Vader wins in a great fight.

Revan directly scales above DT Revan:
EoO Revan >>> SoR Revan >> Revan Reborn >>> KOTOR Revan > Malak >>>>> Ajunta Pall > Karness Muur >> His spiritual state >> DT Vader

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@darthor said:
@breakofdawn said:

DT (prime) Vader wins in a great fight.

Revan directly scales above DT Revan:

EoO Revan >>> SoR Revan >> Revan Reborn >>> KOTOR Revan > Malak >>>>> Ajunta Pall > Karness Muur >> His spiritual state >> DT Vader

We established in our last debate that this is completely inaccurate.

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@darthor said:
@breakofdawn said:

DT (prime) Vader wins in a great fight.

Revan directly scales above DT Revan:

EoO Revan >>> SoR Revan >> Revan Reborn >>> KOTOR Revan > Malak >>>>> Ajunta Pall > Karness Muur >> His spiritual state >> DT Vader

We established in our last debate that this is completely inaccurate.

we haven't established anything. In fact, I don't think you responded to me. Anyways, regarding your arguments on that thread:
1. Vader is afraid of getting possessed by the amulet

You cannot possess characters out of your tier. Thats why Karness Muur did not use his amulet to directly go possess Palps, or why he didn't do it with all the powerful Ancient Sith. They are most certainly comparable, and given how Revan is vastly superior to Muur, it's quite clear that Revan > DT Vader

2. Muur was just able to fill in the gap between Vader and Palps

If so, there are no reasons why Muur will be the new master