Poll Revan vs Vader (134 votes)
Peaks for both
Fighting on a wide invisible platform on the ocean.
Who wins and why?
Peaks for both
Fighting on a wide invisible platform on the ocean.
Who wins and why?
So it's agreed, Vader wins xD
Vader gets one shotted lmao.
@arkhamasylum3: How does it feel now? Probably what I’m feeling. Disgust.
@i_like_swords: ??? He was never pressed by anything except vitiate in his prime. It is quite clear in TOR. He killed multiple temple guard like they were fodder before moving onto vitiate. Nyriss got dusted, a clear high tier as her lightning is powerful enough to turn people to ash. So nyriss>Dooku in force showings. And she was stronger than scourge as stated by himself. Not that big of a deal just solidifies her as a high tier as scourge himself is high mid. Revan had no issues until the vitiate fight and only got captured because of the literal force void of Nathema. Force voids weaken force users. Huh who knew? Vader can beat sith revan. Not reborn or SOR. Revan just has far superior showings in like literally everything. Unfortunate for Vader who has been getting newer and better feats in canon but still. Not good enough.
If composite: then Revan.
Canon: Vader against a feat-less Revan.
Legends: Good Fight, but Still Revan.
SoR Revan takes it in a very close fight. EoO Revan stomps
If composite: then Revan.
Canon: Vader against a feat-less Revan.
Legends: Good Fight, but Still Revan.
what dyu mean if composite?
Yes. The Order of Revan shall rise again.
I was curious on Uhu's reasoning, as he holds KFV as prime.
why? Revan's story is very cool. SWTOR did him no justice in terms of stories tho
Because Anakin's story is arguably top 5 in all of SW. At the heart of the 6 films from TPM through to ROTJ, is the story of Anakin Skywalker - tragic, compelling and riveting.
TCW adds to the emotional punch and his redemption in ROTJ is immensely satisfying and perhaps the best moment in SW history.
Revan is cool but I don't think his story/arc measures up to Vader's. It's an extremely high bar which most characters fall short of IMO.
I see. But what are your reasons for Vader > Revan?
why? Revan's story is very cool. SWTOR did him no justice in terms of stories tho
Because Anakin's story is arguably top 5 in all of SW. At the heart of the 6 films from TPM through to ROTJ, is the story of Anakin Skywalker - tragic, compelling and riveting.
Revan's story also combines all of these.
TCW adds to the emotional punch and his redemption in ROTJ is immensely satisfying and perhaps the best moment in SW history.
True, but Revan's own redemption and his relationship with Bastila is IMO on per with that
Revan is cool but I don't think his story/arc measures up to Vader's. It's an extremely high bar which most characters fall short of IMO.'
I agree. Anakin is most certainly top 5 for me. I just have Revan slightly above in terms of story
@darthor: I see but i was more looking at the reason for that, are you scaling him to Valk or?
For SoR Revan I am using his feats more or less. Combined his feats with his scaling over characters such as weakened Valk who can bust temples who got ragdolled by a hindered HoT who is below the version that fought Revan who got ragdolled by Revan
For EoO, he is twice SoR Revan. Thats why I have him at Caedus's level
Ragdolling the Outlander while facing 7 strong opponents
Manipulating 40 meteors while massively hindered from 300 years of mental torture from 7 of the most powerful beings in the universe
Scales massively above city-level, which should easily be above your StarDestroyer feat
etc.
Ragdolling the Outlander while facing 7 strong opponents
Manipulating 40 meteors while massively hindered from 300 years of mental torture from 7 of the most powerful beings in the universe
And where do you hold Outlander at ?
Scales massively above city-level, which should easily be above your StarDestroyer feat
Star Destroyers can tank planet and overpower planet busting force of black hole, city level is completely inconsequential in comparison
1. Outlander >>> Base HoT >>> Hindered HoT who just fought through an army >>>>>> Valk who can bust temples
2. That is correct. But then you have to consider how far above does Revan scale
Revan >>>>>>>>>> SoR EW II >>> Act III EW II > Darth Baras >>> Lord Fulminisis who destroyed a city
@darthor: Eh tbh with you this is scaling in which i am not completely convinced about, about it being better than some feats/scalling Vader has, but as I also love Revan, i will agree with you here lol
It's honestly quite iron-clapsed. And I'm not aware of anything Vader has placing above this feat. But fair enough lol
@frozen: Its a matter of taste
Anakin was...i hated him for "killing" Mace and he was far to often nothing like a brat
His story is longer,yeah.Dude was a Major player in all 6 movies.But i liked Revans Story in KotoR more.
Still a shame we never got KotoR 3.
And somethings telling the new writter for the remake will fuck up Revan
This is a true battle, 112 votes and dead even?? Amazing!
It's no longer a true battle after EoO. But this thread was created before EoO. But I agree, SoR Revan vs Prime Vader is super close. Even me, somebody who have Revan very high believes that Revan wins only by 8/10.
Vader stomp him ease
@frozen: Its a matter of taste
Anakin was...i hated him for "killing" Mace and he was far to often nothing like a brat
In terms of story telling killing Mace is actually adding to the tragedy of Anakin's story. And unless you happen to love Mace I don't see why you should penalize Anakin's story due to that particular event
His story is longer,yeah.Dude was a Major player in all 6 movies.But i liked Revans Story in KotoR more.
I agree
Still a shame we never got KotoR 3.
There is still hope that they will make one, and we must believe it no matter what cause
And somethings telling the new writter for the remake will fuck up Revan
The lead writer is ok, and given the developer's track record I'm thinking basic quality will be guaranteed. But I doubt they can write it as good as Drew
@darthor: Honestly, Revan story is fine, it's his character that is the problem, he's just way too bland and boring IMO. Anakin/Vader on the other hand is probably the most complex and interesting character in the EU while also having an absolutely amazing story himself. At the end of the day however, it all comes down to personal opinion, no real need for a "debate" on such topics.
True. Personally I don't think Revan is boring by any means. But ok...
DT (prime) Vader wins in a great fight.
:P
DT (prime) Vader wins in a great fight.
Revan directly scales above DT Revan:
EoO Revan >>> SoR Revan >> Revan Reborn >>> KOTOR Revan > Malak >>>>> Ajunta Pall > Karness Muur >> His spiritual state >> DT Vader
DT (prime) Vader wins in a great fight.
Revan directly scales above DT Revan:
EoO Revan >>> SoR Revan >> Revan Reborn >>> KOTOR Revan > Malak >>>>> Ajunta Pall > Karness Muur >> His spiritual state >> DT Vader
We established in our last debate that this is completely inaccurate.
DT (prime) Vader wins in a great fight.
Revan directly scales above DT Revan:
EoO Revan >>> SoR Revan >> Revan Reborn >>> KOTOR Revan > Malak >>>>> Ajunta Pall > Karness Muur >> His spiritual state >> DT Vader
We established in our last debate that this is completely inaccurate.
we haven't established anything. In fact, I don't think you responded to me. Anyways, regarding your arguments on that thread:
1. Vader is afraid of getting possessed by the amulet
You cannot possess characters out of your tier. Thats why Karness Muur did not use his amulet to directly go possess Palps, or why he didn't do it with all the powerful Ancient Sith. They are most certainly comparable, and given how Revan is vastly superior to Muur, it's quite clear that Revan > DT Vader
2. Muur was just able to fill in the gap between Vader and Palps
If so, there are no reasons why Muur will be the new master
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