@zgtfreak:
I truly doubt Vitiate would've let this happen.
In desperation, she hurled her lightsaber with a wild sidearm throw, guiding it with the Force to that it spiraled end-over-end to intercept the descending blade, knocking it from the Emperor's grasp and sending it skittering across the floor.
This would imply a direct victory for Revan. It wouldn't be a triumph for Revan if Meetra backstabbed Vitiate.
Except Revan did most of the fighting and he was the one leading the strike force so logically it would be a triumph for him.
The Emperor's voice, who lost to a pre-prime Wrath that was currently weaker than Baras at the time is above Revan?Ok.
No offence, but did you even play the game? It's explicitly stated that Vitiate was fighting against Sel-Makor and thus neither could tap into his full power. If he had he could have easily dispatched the Wrath. As for being weaker than Baras...proof?
Sidious is the culmination of the sith (specifically the Rule of Two)
Irrelevant since Bane wasn't born until about 2000 years after Vitiate's death.
and has more knowledge than anyone due to the era he is in
Not necessarily. Knowledge gets lost over time.
and the culmination of the Rule of Two's teachings.
Still not seeing how this is a point suggesting he's more powerful.
You can't honestly tell me that Vitiate is equal to him.
...Except I didn't. I said they were around the same level.
Heh heh. Well he certainly hasn't gotten astronomically stronger than before, as all of his avatars have laughably bad feats for what you are hyping them up to be.
If effortlessly stomping act 2 HoT's strike team and enslaving their minds, wiping out entire Dark Councils, turning the Dark Temple into a dark side nexus, creating virtually indestructible Monoliths through sheer force of will, being considered to be far more powerful than the Dread Masters combined isn't enough of an indication, there's also these quotes:
The Sith Empire's exile dragged on for centuries. While the military, navy, and Sith grew strong, the Emperor amassed unfathomable power and plotted a vengeful war against the Republic. He ruled from the privacy of his chambers in the Citadel, his life extended to virtual immortality by Sith sorcery.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
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A being of unfathomable power and insatiable appetite, he transcended death multiple times, shedding his physical shells as they were discovered, defeated, and destroyed... only to return in another form.
With each rebirth, he grew stronger. His machinations became grander. The pain and suffering he unleashed became greater. Some believed his ultimate goal was conquest: the complete subjugation of every world, known and unknown. Others believed he sought annihilation: the consumption of every living being in the galaxy, until he alone remained.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Fallen Empire: Codex Entry titled "The Fall of Valkorion.")
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Servants of the Hand share their Master's longevity, living untouched by age for centuries under his command. In return, the Emperor draws on his servant's strength in the Force and body to feed his ever-increasing power, leaving the servants withered and frail.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Re-read what I said. Yes, Vitiate was weakened. He was also more powerful than the one Revan fought - considerably so, to be honest - as a baseline and also had several minutes to gather his power while the HoT rescued Kira/Doc. Still hugely impressive. We also don't know to what extent Vitiate was weakened, especially since he could also draw upon the Dark Side nexus as he did against Revan.
Pretty explicitly grew much stronger in power. Also, even at his weakest SWTOR form (SoR) his return still inflicted heavy casualties on both Republic and Imperial forces.
Prove he's stronger. This is baseless.
Already did. I also think it's worth mentioning that the Sith Warrior receives a vision at the start of SoR which shows Vitiate having slaughtered the entire galaxy, which serves as a pretty clear indication that Revan couldn't have stopped him.
Outlander getting stronger than he/she was in the Reborn fight does not mean he is now magically above Revan. You'd have to assume he got MUCH stronger to be even comparable to Reborn now.
I swear you're not even reading what I say. I didn't say he's above Revan, I simply said that he grew more powerful.
300 years too soon for Revan clearly, as he is still below act 3 HoT and a weakened Vitiate avatar.
I'm not even going to bother arguing this.
KOTFE Vitiate's feats are absurdly garbage. Tell me what puts the Outlander and Vitiate's children above novel Vitiate.
I'm just going to make a list. He:
One-shots Arcann,
one-shots Darth Marr,
slows down time to a crawl (even freezing beings as powerful as Arcann and Senya),
wipes out an entire legion of Zakuulan forces (including knights) with a single Force wave,
overwhelms Arcann fairly quickly while largely weakened,
likewise two-shots a chapter 12 Outlander while weakened,
while largely weakened, his lightning wiped out all life in the proximity of the Spire,
capable of partially shielding the Outlander and Lana on a world that could drive Force users mad in a very short span of time,
prevented Nathema from healing for 1300 years,
effortlessly dominated the prime Outlander (who at this point is arguably more powerful than any version of Revan), an unchained Vaylin and Arcann and was only defeated through a plot device,
ragdolled multiple iterations of the Outlander, including one who was able to overpower an unchained Vaylin.
I can go on, but those are the main points. It's also all but confirmed that his Valkorion persona is his strongest to date:
A being of unfathomable power and insatiable appetite, he transcended death multiple times, shedding his physical shells as they were discovered, defeated, and destroyed... only to return in another form.
With each rebirth, he grew stronger. His machinations became grander. The pain and suffering he unleashed became greater. Some believed his ultimate goal was conquest: the complete subjugation of every world, known and unknown. Others believed he sought annihilation: the consumption of every living being in the galaxy, until he alone remained.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Fallen Empire: Codex Entry titled "The Fall of Valkorion.")
Come now... You're telling me that Scourge wasn't afraid of his power? That he could take him on or at the very least stand up to him? No.
Never said that. I said he along with the others could stand up to novel Revan.
As Wrath once said: "That couldn't be further from the truth."
It is in regards to SOR Revan, but not novel Revan.
Revan instantly healed himself IIRC and was ready to continue.
Not quite:
A dozen bolts of purple lightning arced from the Emperor toward him. Revan tried to draw them in and contain them, but the Emperor was infinitely more powerful than Darth Nyriss had ever been.
Revan’s body was engulfed in agony as the electricity coursed through his body. His skin began to boil and blister, the flesh of his face melting and sticking to the superheated metal of his mask as the Emperor poured more and more power into him. Through the haze of indescribable pain, he saw T3-M4 rushing in to help him. The droid let loose with his flamethrower, bathing the Emperor in fire. At the last instant the Emperor cocooned himself in the Force to save himself from being incinerated, breaking his focus on Revan. The Jedi collapsed to the ground, burned but still alive, the hilt of his extinguished lightsaber lying on the floor less than a meter beyond his grasp.
...He tried to rise, but his injured body refused to respond. Instinctively, he called on the Force to give him strength and heal his wounds. The Emperor was approaching him with calm, purposeful steps. Once he reached Revan’s side he calmly bent down and picked up the Jedi’s fallen weapon, igniting the blade. The healing properties of the Force were powerful, but Revan’s wounds were severe and he needed more time to restore his strength. Helpless, he could only stare up at the Emperor as he raised the lightsaber to deliver the killing blow.
EVEN AS SHE CALLED to Scourge to help, Meetra was already sprinting toward the far end of the throne room. Scourge hesitated before joining her, taking a moment to survey the situation, memories of his vision of their failure still fresh in his mind. What he saw was not good. Revan was being electrocuted, his body spasming uncontrollably as the Emperor blasted him with dark purple lightning.
Suddenly empty-handed, the Emperor took a quick step back. His attention had been focused solely on Revan; Meetra’s trick had caught him by surprise. Scourge realized that if she had aimed at the Emperor instead of the blade, she could have ended his life even as he ended Revan’s. But her instincts to save her friend overrode her desire to kill her enemy, and Scourge could only lament the lost opportunity. Meetra was still rushing forward, using the Force to return her lightsaber to her waiting hand. Sensing hesitation and uncertainty in the Emperor as he tried to evaluate the strength and weaknesses of his new foe, Scourge rushed forward to join Meetra and Revan. Meetra had placed herself between the Emperor and Revan, valiantly protecting her wounded friend. As Scourge reached them, Revan managed to stand up again. He reached out with an open palm and his lightsaber sprang from the floor and into his waiting grasp. The three of them stood side by side, two Jedi and a Sith Lord against the Emperor.
“I expected better from you, Lord Scourge,” the Emperor said. Scourge wondered if he was stalling for time so his Guard could break through the sealed door. There wasn’t much chance of that, however; by the time they broke into the throne room the battle would already be decided, one way or the other. “He has seen the depths of your evil,” Revan declared. “He stands with us now.”
“Then he will die with you, as well.”
“You can’t defeat all three of us,” Revan said. “United, we are stronger than even you.”
“That remains to be seen,” the Emperor replied. For Scourge, the universe suddenly seemed frozen in place, as if time itself had stopped. He realized he was at a crux in history; fate and destiny would be forever altered in the next few moments. The Force washed over him in a wave, and a million possible futures flickered through his mind simultaneously. In some the Emperor was no more; in others he had transformed the entire galaxy into an empty wasteland. He saw both Revan’s triumph and defeat in the throne room; he saw variations of his own life and death played out over and over in every conceivable way, shape, and form. He had to choose, but there was no way to know which was the most likely outcome, or what actions of his would lead to which results. Revan had said visions could guide the Jedi, but for Scourge they brought nothing but confusion. The moment passed and the universe began to move again, though everything seemed to be happening in slow motion. Revan and Meetra stepped forward, ready to initiate the final confrontation. Scourge knew he had to act now; he had to make his choice. In a sudden moment of clarity he saw the Emperor lying defeated at the feet of a powerful Jedi . . . but that Jedi was neither Revan nor Meetra. And the Sith Lord knew what he had to do.
Instead of advancing with his two companions, Scourge stepped to the side so that he was standing directly behind Meetra. There was a flicker in his consciousness as the universe snapped back to full speed, and he slid the blade of his lightsaber between her shoulders. Meetra gasped and toppled forward, dead before she hit the floor. Revan’s head snapped to the side, shock and horror emanating from him even though his mask hid his expression.
The distraction gave the Emperor the opportunity he needed, and he unleashed another blast of lightning into the Jedi’s chest. Scourge could smell burning flesh as Revan screamed once then collapsed to the ground, unconscious.
Karpyshyn, Drew. Revan (Star Wars: The Old Republic)
He probably could have carried on fighting despite being heavily injured, but it's made clear even before the battle by Revan himself that he probably isn't able to match the Emperor by himself:
Their timing had to be almost perfect; Revan knew he couldn’t go toe-to-toe with the Emperor by himself for very long. He sensed Meetra tensing beside him, and his own hand drifted to the hilt of his lightsaber beneath his belt in anticipation.
Karpyshyn, Drew. Revan
He was far more powerful now, but was he a match for the Emperor? Alone, probably not. With the combined strength of Meetra, Scourge, and even T3, however, he believed they stood a real chance of victory.
Karpyshyn, Drew. Revan
You can even make an argument for Revan being above Vitiate due to the skill gap, but Scourge's visions make it pretty clear that they were equal.
The quotes and passage above contradict this pretty conclusively.
Prove to me that KOTFE Vitiate is vastly above novel Vitiate (if at all).
Already have. Feats aside, there are literally statements establishing Valkorion as being more powerful than ever before.
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