Revan vs. Obi Wan Kenobi

who wins?

this is a good one..I'd say Revan here tho...he was crazy good with the force..he would strike fear into who fleets of Mandalorians...

I don't know... it was once said Revan was the heart of the Force but Obi Wan is like the perfect mix of saber combat and force power

Revan defeated Malak but Obi is quite powerful as well.....the one thing i may ask is where in they're life are they (i imagine revan is before he was a Jedi and Obi????)

still Revan was powerful enough to become one of the most revered sith....and then redeem himself and come back to the light side after years in the dark side..it doesn't seem like it but that shows a crazy a mount of power....yeah i gotta say Revan in this one...like i said he could go undercover and destroy entire fleets of Mandolarians...and he was maybe one of the most strategic jedis out there..

"still Revan was powerful enough to become one of the most revered sith....and then redeem himself and come back to the light side after years in the dark side..it doesn't seem like it but that shows a crazy a mount of power....yeah i gotta say Revan in this one...like i said he could go undercover and destroy entire fleets of Mandolarians...and he was maybe one of the most strategic jedis out there.."

If we are pre-redemption Revan and Post Great purge Obi, I say Obi wins.

Revan commanded the force, but as we've seen, most jedi combat is decided by the saber. And Obi was almost unstoppable with it.

Sure, they would do their fireworks show, but Obi is competent enough to block most of Revan's shots, once they close in, I say Obi wins solely on experience. Revan had few Jedi to fight in his sith days, which meant training could only go so far.

What Jedi can say he has defeated Darth Maul, Held his own against Dooku (Anakin ruined that fight, Obi had a plan and he blew it), and Beaten Darth Vader? Obi alone.

He wins on sheer overwhelming technical ability with a light saber.

obi wan didn't fall because of vaders skill.it as his plan.he died willingly.

Raven PAWNS Obi. Raven is a tactical genius who was trained in the heart of Mandalorians, raised like a warrior and fought like a ruthless warrior before the clan was invaded and Raven was turned into a jedi, since he was so young. Then he became the youngest genius who not only became so powerful in the force but later on, became the charisma that led the rebellion. A warrior with a mix of jedi training as well as Mandalorian, with a mind of a true genius, he became the heart of the force. Until he  was betrayed....and so on and so on.Raven wins. Obi...well, you know the rest.

"If we are pre-redemption Revan and Post Great purge Obi, I say Obi wins.

Revan commanded the force, but as we've seen, most jedi combat is decided by the saber. And Obi was almost unstoppable with it.

Sure, they would do their fireworks show, but Obi is competent enough to block most of Revan's shots, once they close in, I say Obi wins solely on experience. Revan had few Jedi to fight in his sith days, which meant training could only go so far.

What Jedi can say he has defeated Darth Maul, Held his own against Dooku (Anakin ruined that fight, Obi had a plan and he blew it), and Beaten Darth Vader? Obi alone.

He wins on sheer overwhelming technical ability with a light saber. "

"Rainman89 said:

"If we are pre-redemption Revan and Post Great purge Obi, I say Obi wins.

Revan commanded the force, but as we've seen, most jedi combat is decided by the saber. And Obi was almost unstoppable with it.

Sure, they would do their fireworks show, but Obi is competent enough to block most of Revan's shots, once they close in, I say Obi wins solely on experience. Revan had few Jedi to fight in his sith days, which meant training could only go so far.

What Jedi can say he has defeated Darth Maul, Held his own against Dooku (Anakin ruined that fight, Obi had a plan and he blew it), and Beaten Darth Vader? Obi alone.

He wins on sheer overwhelming technical ability with a light saber. "

but thats not revan at the height of his power... thats putting a young revan against an old obi wan.... why not instead say pre redempt vs. pre great purge... though revan in my opinion would win"

Revan...

wait revan was trained by many many masters... some of them great lightsaber duelist like master Zhar or vandar... He has learned many art forms because of all his training. He defeated many jedi during his reign as dark lord. He also had defeated bastila in battle before and she was an equal to darth maul in my opinion. He defeated Darth Malak while he was being fueled by the power of The star forge, which was a far more powerful construct than the death star. He has much training and skill with a saber himself. And his command of the force is much better than Obi Wan's thus amplifying his skills with the saber further. Those are my opinions on why revan can win

"wait revan was trained by many many masters... some of them great lightsaber duelist like master Zhar or vandar... He has learned many art forms because of all his training. He defeated many jedi during his reign as dark lord. He also had defeated bastila in battle before and she was an equal to darth maul in my opinion. He defeated Darth Malak while he was being fueled by the power of The star forge, which was a far more powerful construct than the death star. He has much training and skill with a saber himself. And his command of the force is much better than Obi Wan's thus amplifying his skills with the saber further. Those are my opinions on why revan can win"

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Light said:

"wait revan was trained by many many masters... some of them great lightsaber duelist like master Zhar or vandar... He has learned many art forms because of all his training. He defeated many jedi during his reign as dark lord. He also had defeated bastila in battle before and she was an equal to darth maul in my opinion. He defeated Darth Malak while he was being fueled by the power of The star forge, which was a far more powerful construct than the death star. He has much training and skill with a saber himself. And his command of the force is much better than Obi Wan's thus amplifying his skills with the saber further. Those are my opinions on why revan can win"

Obi Wan trained with Yoda and Mace. He had just as much training, I'd say that's balanced.

I'll give you Revan's battle with Bastilla, but he did lose that battle, technically since he was knocked out. He was outnumbered by a ton, though.

He didn't defeat darth malak until post-redemption. I thought we wanted pre-redemption.

I'll will go 100% on the argument that Revan had more command of the Force, Obi never tried to accomplish what Revan did. However, I still feel Obi Wan had more expertise with the saber. Maybe not enough for a clear cut victory, but in no way does Revan win.

Vader managed to kill almost all the jedi, to a larger extent than Revan ever did, and yet Obi Wan outsmarted him, so my money says Obi can at least avoid defeat in the fight,

So, 6 times out of ten Obi Wins, 4 out of Ten is a draw/Obi runs.
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All right, I'm just glad this is going logically and peacefully.

Obi Wan nearly matched the mandalorian accomplishments in the Clone wars, and he may have been capable of more but not had that needed.

Both were amazing strategists, Revan wins on force, no doubt. I still say Obi Wan has the lightsaber edge. He fought so many renowned lightsaber combatants, Revan took on accomplished jedi, but not accomplished duelists. Obi Wan has the edge...

Revan- Bastilla, no mention of her ability with a lightsaber (she lost it at one point). I'm sure several other Jedi who went unmentioned attacked him. Clearly he could beat Pre-star forge Malak in a duel, since he was in charge.  Sadly, that's about all the real combat he would have seen at that era.

Obi Wan- Darth Maul, killed him, Count Dooku (my opinion is that Anakin screwed that up, and that Obi wan could have taken him with anakin's actual help), injured. Grievous- Killed him, albeit with a blaster. Vader- I'm sure that fight should have been really intense, and he gave up, so to say. Not to mention the dark jedi he may have fought during the clone wars.

I say, worse case for obi is 50-50.

It would be a great fight though.

me too man

All right, I had overlooked the use of vibroblades in KOTOR, so I'll give Revan the advantage now.

so I say

Revan wins 4/10

Obi wins 3/10

Draw/amazing team up 3/10

"All right, I had overlooked the use of vibroblades in KOTOR, so I'll give Revan the advantage now.

so I say

Revan wins 4/10

Obi wins 3/10

Draw/amazing team up 3/10"

Revan wins this hands down.  Obi is cool and all but no where near the raw force power or lightsaber skill of Revan.  In Obi's day they barely thought the Saber styles but the defensive one and he had little experience fighting Sith as a whole (Only ever fought 2), Revan has fought hundreds of Jedi (I would say is a good estimate).

@Obi Wan Kenobi! said:

this is a good one..I'd say Revan here tho...he was crazy good with the force..he would strike fear into who fleets of Mandalorians...

Really? No. Revan is immensely overrated and Obi-Wan has faced one of the most powerful Mandalorians. What feats does he have in the Force?

@Tevnoba said:

Revan wins this hands down. Obi is cool and all but no where near the raw force power or lightsaber skill of Revan. In Obi's day they barely thought the Saber styles but the defensive one and he had little experience fighting Sith as a whole (Only ever fought 2), Revan has fought hundreds of Jedi (I would say is a good estimate).

Absolutely incorrect. Revan doesn't come close to winning anything hands down. Revan was once cool and all but nowhere near Obi-Wan's lightsaber skill nor in a battle of a Force. In Obi-Wan's day there existed Jedi more powerful than any other before them and much more powerful than Revan. Revan's army was just a part of Vitiate's and he was an utter pawn. Revan never fought hundreds of Jedi and all he faced were featless no-names, horrible estimate.

@Light said:

me too man

I couldn't Say he did, because he had the Jedi behind him and the clone army was much more capable than the old Republic. Also he created an army strong enough to challenge the Jedi and the Republic. With the help of another jedi. I can't say that Obi Wan did the same. These feats were alson conducted by Revan as a Padawan. Obi Wan's only feat as a Padawan was defeating Darth Maul. A great feat nonetheless but not enough to cancel out this.

Back in the days of the old Republic. Everyone needed to be well versed in close combat. Thus most people had basic at the least training with a blade. so the Jedi obviously had to train much harder in Saber combat so they would be better than the competition. He also studied many great duelist as a sith, Ajunta Paul and Naga Sadow to be a few. He was also trained by Traya who trained Sion. Who is a great duelist himself. I believe he has the edge in a lightsaber duel for these reasons.

I say now its a 7/10 for revan

agreed

Really? Sorry, Revan never created the army, he took a portion of his own fleet and Vitiate's army back to the Jedi. With the help of Malak. And was used as a pawn. As a padawan, Revan had no feats. Darth Maul defeats Revan in a lightsaber duel.

Back in the Old Republic times, not everybody had to be. Jedi never did, the time of Obi-Wan was the peak of the Jedi Order and they were most well-versed. Ajunta Pall has no feats and was never stated to be a great duelist, he lost his own battles. Naga Sadow's only duelling feat was stalemating Ludo Kressh, who has no feats of his own either. Obi-Wan has much better practice with the blade. Sion was never a great duelist, no feats and nothing showing him anything near Obi-Wan. Traya never trained Sion to be a combatant anyways.

@Rainman89 said:

All right, I'm just glad this is going logically and peacefully. Obi Wan nearly matched the mandalorian accomplishments in the Clone wars, and he may have been capable of more but not had that needed. Both were amazing strategists, Revan wins on force, no doubt. I still say Obi Wan has the lightsaber edge. He fought so many renowned lightsaber combatants, Revan took on accomplished jedi, but not accomplished duelists. Obi Wan has the edge...Revan- Bastilla, no mention of her ability with a lightsaber (she lost it at one point). I'm sure several other Jedi who went unmentioned attacked him. Clearly he could beat Pre-star forge Malak in a duel, since he was in charge. Sadly, that's about all the real combat he would have seen at that era.Obi Wan- Darth Maul, killed him, Count Dooku (my opinion is that Anakin screwed that up, and that Obi wan could have taken him with anakin's actual help), injured. Grievous- Killed him, albeit with a blaster. Vader- I'm sure that fight should have been really intense, and he gave up, so to say. Not to mention the dark jedi he may have fought during the clone wars. I say, worse case for obi is 50-50. It would be a great fight though.

Revan stands a chance, but doesn't really win. Yes, he definitely is far better with the saber, Revan was a mediocrity with the saber. Bastila is featless. Malak is featless. The worse case would be victory.

@Hedatary said:

Raven PAWNS Obi. Raven is a tactical genius who was trained in the heart of Mandalorians, raised like a warrior and fought like a ruthless warrior before the clan was invaded and Raven was turned into a jedi, since he was so young. Then he became the youngest genius who not only became so powerful in the force but later on, became the charisma that led the rebellion. A warrior with a mix of jedi training as well as Mandalorian, with a mind of a true genius, he became the heart of the force. Until he was betrayed....and so on and so on.Raven wins. Obi...well, you know the rest.

Utter fanwanking. Revan was never trained in the heart of the Mandalorians, he was trained as a Jedi and became a horrible one, a utter failure that was used as a pawn by the Sith and had to be mind-wiped to be redeemed. Every Jedi is trained young, so sorry, but no. None of these are combat feats anyways.

@Light said:

wait revan was trained by many many masters... some of them great lightsaber duelist like master Zhar or vandar... He has learned many art forms because of all his training. He defeated many jedi during his reign as dark lord. He also had defeated bastila in battle before and she was an equal to darth maul in my opinion. He defeated Darth Malak while he was being fueled by the power of The star forge, which was a far more powerful construct than the death star. He has much training and skill with a saber himself. And his command of the force is much better than Obi Wan's thus amplifying his skills with the saber further. Those are my opinions on why revan can win

They are all featless beings who aren't close to Yoda and Mace and Obi-Wan. He defeated nameless, featless randoms in his reign that were no match of Obi-Wan's era of Jedi. He defeated a featless Jedi who was owned by slavers and got owned by Malak? He defeated Malak, who was featless and the Death Star would just fire to destroy it. He had much training, so? He was a mediocrity in saber combat, if you read the Revan novel you would know that.

@Obi Wan Kenobi! said:

still Revan was powerful enough to become one of the most revered sith....and then redeem himself and come back to the light side after years in the dark side..it doesn't seem like it but that shows a crazy a mount of power....yeah i gotta say Revan in this one...like i said he could go undercover and destroy entire fleets of Mandolarians...and he was maybe one of the most strategic jedis out there..

Revan never redeemed himself. He had to be mind-wiped to do so. That isn't even a combat feat anyways.

Too much fanwanking in this thread and nobody with actual knowledge of Obi-Wan or canon. I am disappointed.

@Scarlet Spider. said:

I don't know... it was once said Revan was the heart of the Force but Obi Wan is like the perfect mix of saber combat and force power

That was a massively hyperbole statement by a biased Kreia. He was nothing like the heart of the Force.

Revan would stomp Obi's face into the ground so fast Aunt Beru would be impregnated by the sheer amount of awesome.

Tell me this "ShootingNova", if that is your real name, how could Obi possibly hope to defeat the man who handled Malak like a redheaded step child? Even Canderous, whose badassery alone would cause Obi curl into a fetal position so tight he'd implode called Revan the greatest warrior of his age.

@Baldy said:

Revan would stomp Obi's face into the ground so fast Aunt Beru would be impregnated by the sheer amount of awesome.

Tell me this "ShootingNova", if that is your real name, how could Obi possibly hope to defeat the man who handled Malak like a redheaded step child? Even Canderous, whose badassery alone would cause Obi curl into a fetal position so tight he'd implode called Revan the greatest warrior of his age.

LMAO. Tell me, this "Baldy", how would you know Revan handled Malak easily? *Ahem* *Cough* Feats please? *Cough*

Ahem, Obi-Wan won the respect of Commander Cody, Cody>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Canderous Ordo, nuff said :D

I give it to Obi-Wan. He had enough skill to battle against Anakin (who has more raw Force power than Revan ever did), and his lightsaber form allows him to always defend vicious attacks. Then, when an opening presents itself, he can defeat Revan.

Revan is terribly overestimated.

@Tony_Shark said:

I give it to Obi-Wan. He had enough skill to battle against Anakin (who has more raw Force power than Revan ever did), and his lightsaber form allows him to always defend vicious attacks. Then, when an opening presents itself, he can defeat Revan.

Revan is terribly overestimated.

Finally, somebody with common sense. People here know nothing about canon these days. If anybody read the Revan novel, he has a mediocre Jedi Master's worth of lightsaber skill.

@ShootingNova said:

@Tony_Shark said:

I give it to Obi-Wan. He had enough skill to battle against Anakin (who has more raw Force power than Revan ever did), and his lightsaber form allows him to always defend vicious attacks. Then, when an opening presents itself, he can defeat Revan.

Revan is terribly overestimated.

Finally, somebody with common sense. People here know nothing about canon these days. If anybody read the Revan novel, he has a mediocre Jedi Master's worth of lightsaber skill.

Yeah. Revan is cool and all, but they make him to be a God in the Old Republic Games. Which might've been true back then, but he falls short compared to more recent Force users.

It's the same issue with Starkiller from the FU games. He's not as great as he's made out to be.

However, the Star Wars movies (I - III) don't really do justice to some characters (Obi-Wan, Sidious, Vader, Yoda).

@Tony_Shark said:

@ShootingNova said:

@Tony_Shark said:

I give it to Obi-Wan. He had enough skill to battle against Anakin (who has more raw Force power than Revan ever did), and his lightsaber form allows him to always defend vicious attacks. Then, when an opening presents itself, he can defeat Revan.

Revan is terribly overestimated.

Finally, somebody with common sense. People here know nothing about canon these days. If anybody read the Revan novel, he has a mediocre Jedi Master's worth of lightsaber skill.

Yeah. Revan is cool and all, but they make him to be a God in the Old Republic Games. Which might've been true back then, but he falls short compared to more recent Force users.

It's the same issue with Starkiller from the FU games. He's not as great as he's made out to be.

However, the Star Wars movies (I - III) don't really do justice to some characters (Obi-Wan, Sidious, Vader, Yoda).

EU does. Galen Marek is way too overrated. Revan looks like a weakling compared to Sidious, Luke, Satele, Yoda. He won't even be able to react before getting owned.

Revan. Tactical genius beyond anything Obi-Wan could cook up. Obi-Wan is a master of Trollesu...I mean, Soresu, saber style. Revan mastered them all. Obi-Wan was only noted as the greatest Soresu master of his time. Revan was heralded as the most powerful and gifted Jedi of his era. And that was before becoming Darth Revan, or his Prodigal Knight self, or his later Reborn self.

Reborn Revan breaks Obi-Wan in half and tosses him to the wayside. Not all fights are won by saber combat. When skills are near equal, it comes down to strength and ability in the force. 99% of all Jedi during the Prequel Trilogy were terrible in Force techniques. Revan is a beast with them and has training and knowledge in both sides of the Force. Obi-Wan is as a pebble before a mountain.

@reikai: Stop trolling with your serious lack of knowledge about Star Wars when points have clearly been made by ShootingNova that Revan loses. Nova, a guy who knows more about Star Wars than everyone on here combined on ComicVine not including, JediXman, Silver,Dccomicsrules and Steelhound. Otherwise provide proof/feats to support your claim and not just pointless conjecture.

I gotta give it to Revan. He has fought a shit ton of Jedi/Sith back in his day. And he never lost. He fought and defeated Malak, Bastila, a crap ton of unnamed Sith Warriors, Juhani, Vitiate, Uthar Wynn, etc. He also fought and defeated Bendak Starkiller, Calo Nord, an uncountable amount of skilled and strong Mandalorians, and, I mean, the list goes on. So if you people want to argue that Obi-Wan has more experience, think again. Another point is that Revan was the most powerful Force user of his time. Sure, that doesn't make him the most powerful ever, but Obi-Wan wasn't even close to being the most powerful of his time. Revan is also much more skilled in the Force and I'm willing to bet that he's equal to Obi-Wan in lightsaber combat skills. Also, Obi-Wan fighting Anakin is a bullsh*t point. Obi-Wan was a Jedi Master while Anakin just became a Knight. He was fighting a child and still almost lost (he would've lost if Anakin wasn't arrogant and didn't jump). Every time Obi-Wan fought someone, he either had help (Darth Maul), lost (Darth Vader), got lucky (Anakin), or cheated (Grievous). Revan takes this, in my opinion.

revan 7 out of 10

Obi-Wan wins. Better saber skills. Revan is overrated, as his saber combat isn't too good, especially in the EU. He was only godly in the games, which even then he versed enemies who were not as skilled in saber combat.

Obi-Wan can cut down Revan before he even has a chance to change his decision to use his powerful force abilities. What's the point of being more trained in the force and be worse at lightsaber combat when it's in character to start off on a saber fight? Just from the cinematic universe alone, he was able to take on Grievious, and to do so must have the reflexes to counter 4 sabers at once.

@thebelltollsforthee: "Every time Obi-Wan fought someone, he either had help (Darth Maul), lost (Darth Vader), got lucky (Anakin), or cheated (Grievous). Revan takes this, in my opinion."

You made my heard hurt with that SUPER FALSE statement. Kenobi was the General of The Clone Wars and was a Jedi for over 30+ years and you think that's the only people he's fought? By the way Anakin>>>>>>Darth Revan in terms of light saber skill and Force power/versatility

No matter how much you cry out in rage and disappointment, Revan still won.

@retconcrisis: Thank you, at least someone has some sense on this thread. Revan fanboys are worse than Batman fanboys. They also have zero knowledge of Star Wars outside the movies(their perspective on the movies) and video games, so their point becomes invalid.

No Obi Wan wins this easily he has much greater feats.

@earthquake_2123: Yes Obi-Wan. So great he had trouble dealing with a 4-armed spider-bot with asthma.

You mean the same cyborg who has superhuman reflexes strength and speed? The one who was trained by Count Dooku in Lightsaber combat himself? The one who mastered all Lightsaber form to the highest degree that a non force user could? The one that stood his own against Mace Windu on a moving vehicle while only being able to remain in one place? he also had "asthma" as you put it because his lungs and organs were force crushed by Mace Windu. This only serves a durability feat. Obi wan as a Padawan also beat a trained Sith apprentice in the Banite line. Along with this he was able to keep up with a blood lusted Anakin Skywalker. What are Revan's feats if he even has any?

Obi-Wan wins.

The co-lord of all things star wars have spoken!

@reikai:

Not to mention has killed about a hundred Jedi IIRC without being a force user. But he must be thinking about a DIFFERENT General Grievous that exist in this UNKNOWN MENTALLY CHALLENGED Star Wars universe that no one knows anything about. On top of that @JediXman has spoken and said Kenobi wins, so all you say is irrelevant.

Thanks Earth! :D

If I'm playing Revan, I solo the entire Star Wars universe.

force storm them in bunches.

Well your not playing as Revan here so it's irrelevant.

@earthquake_2123: And what Force User doesn't have Super-human strength and reflexes? Cause far as I'm aware, they all do to some extent. As does Every Cyborg and Cybernetically Enhanced and Implanted sentient there is in the SWU. As does a ton of droids. C'mon, HK-47 killed more Jedi than Grievous ever did. And some species were super-human to begin with.

Saying Grievous has super-human speed/strength compared to an Average Person is completely and utterly meaningless when ever Jedi and Sith in EVERY ERA has the Exact. Same. Thing. Going for them. It is a garbage line thrown out to make him seem special when he really isn't.

@beezlebub: no prob

Reikai: He is significantly stronger faster and more durable then most Jedi are. Also we were just stating that as you seemed to think that Grievous was weak and useless. Also Grievous ahs killed much more Jedi the HK47. Finally have you read the comics or seen the original clone wars series? I assume your taking the Grievous of the movie. Also you have neglected to gather Revan's feats.

Reikai: Please post feats of Revan's that equal or exceed the ones that we have provided for obi wan. If you do not all your comments will be ignored as we will know you are a troll.