Revan and Bastila vs Nihilus

Vs.

Rules

• win by any means necessary
• Rd.1 Darth Revan and bastila
• Rd.2 Star Forge Revan and Bastila
• Rd.3 SoR and Novel Revan and Bastila
• Rd.4 Same as Rd.3 but now Sion, Carth, Jolee and RoJ Luke help Revan

Depending on how you interpret a certain quote, Darth Revan could solo Nihilus. Therefore, based on that quote, the team definitely wins all rounds.

That quote is laughably contradicted not only by a feats comparison, but Meetra's own fallibility.

Meetra states that Revan as of the Mandalorian Wars has a greater command of the Force than anybody else she's ever met. Great, we all already knew that.

Meetra didn't believe Visas Marr's description of Darth Nihilus' attack and devastation of Katarr was even possible, rendering it impossible for her to believe Revan's power was greater. As if that wasn't enough, when Meetra finally meets Darth Nihilus, who is starved by this point, Meetra concludes that he is far more powerful than she had previously been led to believe.

Meaning that not only does she believe Nihilus' power was impossible well after meeting the incarnation of Revan who Meetra refers to in the novel, but she also concludes that a starved Nihilus is far more powerful than that 'impossible' level of power, which places Nihilus already above Revan. So Nihilus > starved Nihilus > the mere concept of Nihilus > Mando Wars Revan.

It doesn't end there either, Darth Nihilus has no 'command of the Force', it is stated a dozen times in the game that Darth Nihilus doesn't 'use' the Force, he doesn't control it, Kreia doesn't even call it power, infact she outright comfirms on numerous occasions that his power controls(commands) him, not the other way around. He isn't even a person anymore, he's a will anchored to a mask with no perception or comprehension of people, only the galaxy, and his power is an instinctual thing that he does as part of his nature.

So yes, Revan has the greatest command/mastery of the Force of anybody Meetra has met, but that in no way infers Revan > Nihilus.

Revan's feats don't even begin to compare to the powers of a Sith Lord that telekinetically lifts fleets out of intense gravity wells and death fields the surfaces of numerous planets. If Revan was more powerful than a surface wrecker, he wouldn't have any trouble causing mass death on Yavin IV.

Nihilus drains them easily until SoR where he overwhelms Revan in a titanic fight. Revan isn't wrecking the surfaces of worlds, that is what Valkorion, Sidious and Nihilus do.

What's Bastila doing here?

NGL, makes sense. :up:

If the force commands Nihilus and Revan commands the force.......

Round 1: Nihilus

Round 2: Nihilus

Round 3: Team

@sithrevenant: well said.

@geistaltsaid:

Round 1: Nihilus

Round 2: Nihilus

Round 3: Team

:up:

Bastila gets dropped right off the bat due to Drain/TK, and both SF and Darth Revan get drained as well.

The team in round 3 might be able to blitz him. If he's fighting two Revans, then the starting distance is key

Eh I believe that SoR Revan would take a very narrow majority over Nihilus, but other than that this is a really good post.

@shootingnova: Probably to aid Revan via BM

Revan could also distract Nihilus while Bastila stabs him (or blitz Nihilus while Bastila distracts him).

And he would know well enough to go for the mask; he kind of IS a combat/war savant.

Why is Bastila there? Anyway, Nihilus wins every round except rounds three and four.

Is the last round Revan with feats/character from both SoR and the novel + Bastila, or two Revans and Bastila?

I'm not sure how this goes.

@amethystgravity: SoR Revan + Bastila.

Wait; nvm. He'd win either way in MY opinion, tho

@noobsnowman: She won't be able to. At full power, Nihilus' telekinetic attacks and Drain would kill her instantly.

even darth revan alone is far above darth nihilus.

bastila with revan against nihilus is just ridiculous they will destroying him quickly

Quite well said. I agree completely

Nilhilus takes all the rounds.

SoR Revan would put up more of a fight however.

@dragonborntookanarrowtotheknee: Yeah; Battle Meditation changes everything in the 3rd round.

Would only work in the 3rd round, perhaps. Nihilus' area-of-effect attacks would instantly one-shot her.

@sithrevenant: you got most of This right. Except the SOR part. He had a 50/50 shot at beating vitiate. Novel said this. Nihilus is actually awful in melee and Revan is terrific. Nihilus would go to use some force power(probably drain) and revan would just use his tutaminas. Which I believe, as I've never seen it done better before, he is the best user of tutaminas in all of starwars. Now is nihilus rather invincible? Yes. But revan is an opponent nihilus would not be prepared for. Not to mention traya knew who nihilus was when she claimed he was literally the best ever. Not the exact quote but it's basically the same. SOR revan would thrash nihilus as he is one of the power houses. Revan is overrated. But it's for good reason man. Sorry if I assumed your gender incorrectly.

boomp

@noah_ouellette: Is Nihilus that poor in melee? It seemed like it was implied that he was too powerful for Meetra, Visas, and Canderous to defeat, even after being significantly weakened by attempting to drain Meetra. And he was mostly using lightsaber combat at that point was he not?

@nfactor1995 I'm pretty sure that was because of his abilities with the Force, however a point to be made was that Nihilus stayed in a physical form to advance his lightsaber combat skills.

@shootingnova Why is everyone a moderator now?

Nihilius, I'd guess.

@darthant66

Darth Revan and KOTOR Revan solo.

Novel and SOR Revan stomp Nihilus.They are in Vitiate's league,who would finger flick Nihilus into oblivion.

That'd be justifiable if Vitiate could fingerflick Revan/Surik/Scourge or even the Strike Team in TOR.

Regrettably, an amped Vitiate had an equal chance of winning and losing against a hindered and wounded Revan, a hindered Surik, and an amped Scourge (who, at that point was miserably weak enough for the amp to not make any difference).

Based on everything other than sheer TOR hysteria, novel Vitiate doesn't come close to fingerflicking Nihilus or even beating him in anything other than a prolonged and difficult contest. Heck, you'd have to resort to the Revan > Nihilus quote to try and justify anything close to that, because nothing else suggests such nonsense.

Yes he does.Nihilus best feat of razing Katarr doesn't even come close to the Nathema ritual, in fact its order of magnitudes below it.Unless Nihilus gets scaled to some other feat I'm unaware of from a weaker character? He gets stomped by Vitiate

Nihilus likely isn't even above the Ancient Sith, the notion of him contending with Post-Nathema Vitiate is completely laughable.Based on feats as well as accolades.

@jackofalltrades2:

Yes he does.Nihilus best feat of razing Katarr doesn't even come close to the Nathema ritual, in fact its order of magnitudes below it.

It is indeed. Too bad the Nathema ritual isn't something Vitiate can pull off on a whim in combat. Stop bringing it up.

Unless Nihilus gets scaled to some other feat I'm unaware of from a weaker character? He gets stomped by Vitiate

Just like an amped Vitiate stomped his near-equals in an injured and hindered Revan, hindered Surik, and novel Scourge?

Nihilus likely isn't even above the Ancient Sith,

The fact that Vitiate's more powerful than the Ancient Sith doesn't mean he can curbstomp them or anyone in their class.

the notion of him contending with Post-Nathema Vitiate is completely laughable.Based on feats as well as accolades.

Vitiate doesn't have any accolades which suggest he would stomp. Feats? Vitiate was fully capable of losing to an injured Revan, Surik and Scourge on a world heavily steeped on the dark side. Try again.

..We've had this discussion before.How many times do I need to repeat this?

Vitiate's Nathema ritual was a permanent power-up.The energy was absorbed by Vitiate to power himself up.Whether he has the AoE or capability to unleash it instantly isnt relevant.

The Force energy he absorbed during the ritual, which lies at his disposal to be used in combat, is way more than anything Nihilus can claim to have.

Revan is strong? What a surprise.

Umm Yes he would.None of the Ancient have anywhere near the raw power of Post Nathema Ritual Vitiate.His TP feat against Malak and Revan is way out of their paygrade.

Even Exar Kun surpassed those Sith before his prime.Nadd/Muur/Ragnos and co would get pretty much instantly wrecked in a 1v1 with Vitiate unquestionably.

To summarize

-Nihilus raw power pales in comparison to Vitiate's,to the point its laughable comparing them

-Nihilus is likely below the Ancient Sith, who in turn are much weaker than Exar Kun, who in turn is weaker than Vitiate

-Novel Revan is in the same league as Novel Vitiate

Conclusion:Novel Revan would wipe the floor with Nihilus.Objectively far superiour Force powers and lightsaber skills.It wouldn't even be a close fight.

@jackofalltrades2:

..We've had this discussion before.How many times do I need to repeat this?

Vitiate's Nathema ritual was a permanent power-up.The energy was absorbed by Vitiate to power himself up.Whether he has the AoE or capability to unleash it instantly isnt relevant.

The Force energy he absorbed during the ritual, which lies at his disposal to be used in combat, is way more than anything Nihilus can claim to have.

Except you always cite Nathema in the context of the ritual itself. It doesn't mean that even after Nathema, Vitiate was capable of replicating the ritual's effects on a whim.

Nihilus drained Katarr, and if we take The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, other worlds as well. He can certainly compare based on that metric.

Revan is strong? What a surprise.

Yeah, but a wounded and hindered Revan stronger than Nihilus? Can't see it. And Meetra and Scourge as depicted in the novel are absolutely infinitesimal in comparison to Nihilus' power. The fact that they can alter the game between Vitiate and Revan at all say something, as does the fact that Vitiate was actually studying Meetra and gauging her strengths and weaknesses instead of just incinerating her. That's not even going into the fact that it was on a world heavily steeped in the dark side.

Umm Yes he would.None of the Ancient have anywhere near the raw power of Post Nathema Ritual Vitiate.

I'm convinced.

His TP feat against Malak and Revan is way out of their paygrade.

Malak and Revan had pretty much already fallen to the dark side then. Vitiate finishing their descent to darkness isn't that great of a showing, certainly not when you account for the fact that they break out of his control later.

The Ancient Sith haven't really exhibited TP. So it's impossible to compare. We do know that the sheer residual energies of Naga Sadow's Tomb, millennia after his death, were enough to drive beings like Barel Ovair, who could conceal his dark side heritage from the entire Jedi Order, half-insane from mere exposure.

Even Exar Kun surpassed those Sith before his prime.Nadd/Muur/Ragnos and co would get pretty much instantly wrecked in a 1v1 with Vitiate unquestionably.

The fact that Vitiate's more powerful than Kun according to in-universe sources doesn't mean that the difference is exponential, and based on what we see of him in the novel, I'm not convinced that it is at all. Likewise, Kun may be more powerful than Nadd and Muur and Ragnos, but not exponentially either.

Where's it said that Kun surpassed them before reaching his prime?

-Nihilus raw power pales in comparison to Vitiate's,to the point its laughable comparing them

Repeating yourself ad nauseam doesn't make your case stronger. Substantiating it does.

-Nihilus is likely below the Ancient Sith, who in turn are much weaker than Exar Kun, who in turn is weaker than Vitiate

In a combative sense, Nihilus is more powerful than the Ancient Sith. All of his showings lead to such a conclusion (resurrecting and holding together a fleet of capital ships, effortlessly stunning the Exile's crew, etc) And based on what are the Ancient Sith much weaker than Kun?

Conclusion:Novel Revan would wipe the floor with Nihilus.Objectively far superiour Force powers and lightsaber skills.It wouldn't even be a close fight.

Right.

Bastila is a non factor here, Revan will put up a good fight, but I can't see him winning any of the rounds.

Nihilus first round

Revan second and third.

Revan could probably kill Nihilus before he is drained too much. With Revan being around Vitiates level. Obtaining the energy from 8000 sith lords, plus having the energy from a Ritual that Atomized a Planet's surface for 1000 years, is far beyond what Nihilus did on katarr.

@sithrevenant

Nihilus turns, raises his hand, and the entire party is raised into the air, similar to Force Crush. He speaks, his voice roaring, and the player should realize that Nihilus is far more powerful than they had believed... Moment of silence. Nihilus lets player fall and get to his feet."

The quote is addressing the player, not Meetra Surik. Meetra is canonically a women, Just saying.

@slayedigneel: The player believes that Nihilus is capable of draining worlds and resurrecting fleets of 1200m ships all the same. "The player" refers to the Exile, though. The game script says things like X finds the player unconscious, etc.

Also, in the dialogue files, it's both he and her, depending on which one there is. That was just the first quote (which comes from the male version) taken for convenience.