Reinhard (Dies Irae) vs Pre-Recton Beyonder (Secret Wars)

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Rules:

1. Both bloodlusted
2. Don't be bias and post scans.

Battle takes place on DC multiverse

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#2  Edited By Amendment50

If this guy is your average nigh omnipotent anime character then probably Beyonder. Looked him up and couldn't make sense of anything written on VS battles wiki. Thanks for the daily reminder of how dumb anime is. Lol.

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@amendment50: anime aren't dumb. Vs battle wiki are the dumb nuts.

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@amendment50: You have anime profile picture and you are one to talk smh. That character is from Visual Novel and not anime.

"then probably beyonder"

Vote didn't count give reasons.

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@breakyourballs: I like plenty of dumb stuff lol.

And I don't know the character. I don't have reasons. I'm just saying that there's a lot of real similar nigh omnipotents and Beyonder usually beats them.

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@amendment50: this character is from a visual novel apparently, which are really dumb, they are the Japanese equivalent of telltale games and walking simulators.

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@amendment50: I see, so your vote still doesn't count because it filled with your bias.

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@fat_hobo389: lol, do you know anyone here who knows about Reinhard guy or his verse?

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Reinhard stomp so bad delete this

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@zensum: Reason? Feats, scans?? anything?

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#13  Edited By Nathanielfern

@breakyourballs: Reinhard would shit on him just having 1 Taikyoku Value would make him op af.

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich

This will give you what you looking for

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Reinhard stomps beyonder won't faze him.

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vsbattles wiki is dumb.

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If this guy is your average nigh omnipotent anime character then probably Beyonder. Looked him up and couldn't make sense of anything written on VS battles wiki. Thanks for the daily reminder of how dumb anime is. Lol.

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Beyonder stomps.

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#19  Edited By HigherPower

@godren said:

How doesn't he? He has way better feats, unless you can provide me a showing for Reinhard superior to being beyond comprehension of Pre-Retcon MM, as well as being above all of Marvel.

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Can someone put a best feat scan of both characters.

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@godren said:

How doesn't he? He has way better feats, unless you can provide me a showing for Reinhard superior to being beyond comprehension of Pre-Retcon MM and being above all of Marvel.

Reinhard can do everything Beyonder can do and more.I can try looking for some feats but it has been some time and a bit obscure lol.Some things I remember though is Dies Irae is infinite like Marvel and more.Reinhard transcends infinity and is pretty much nigh-omnipotent.I'll post some things from the visual novel.

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3
  1. Now the 1st says he has reached omnipotence in his battle with Mercurius which took place in the hyperdimensional throne(A place that is the source of the entire infinite multiverse where time doesn't exist and etc).
  2. The 2nd image is his weapon of choice called Longinuslanze which has the ability to always attack 1st no matter what the situation is (granting him infinite speed, his attacks will always land, and it erases you from existence).
  3. The 3rd image pretty much explaining that he transcends infinity.

I will post more things when I find them.

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@godren: Sorry to be blunt, but none of that is impressive.

And don't take omnipotent statements literally all the time; several non-omnipotent characters are called omnipotents without being anywhere close to it.

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@godren: Sorry to be blunt, but none of that is impressive.

And don't take omnipotent statements literally all the time; several non-omnipotent characters are called omnipotents without being anywhere close to it.

It's hard to explain since it's a bit complicated lol.I have not seen a single thing that puts Beyonder above even the weakest Hadou Gods.The weaker ones being above an infinite multiverse to a massive degree.Care to post some feats that make him so much more powerful?

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#24  Edited By HigherPower

@godren:

The weaker ones being above an infinite multiverse to a massive degree

When has anyone in the Dies Irae busted or warped infinite multiverses? All my knowledge on him comes from a Reddit respect thread I peaked at and a few threads, and nothing placed him above high multiversal.

Care to post some feats that make him so much more powerful?

Not an expert on Beyonder, I just have a rough idea of his tier of power. @amendment50@jardinain2@decaf_wizard@watcher5000 Can help you out with his feats.

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Whats the point of putting up these kinds of battles? It's a pick your favorite person ordeal.

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@godren:

The weaker ones being above an infinite multiverse to a massive degree

When has anyone in the Dies Irae busted or warped infinite multiverses? All my knowledge on him comes from a Reddit respect thread I peaked at and a few threads, and nothing placed him above high multiversal.

Care to post some feats that make him so much more powerful?

Not an expert on Beyonder, I just have a rough idea of his tier of power. @amendment50@jardinain2@decaf_wizard@watcher5000 Can help you out with his feats.

I can break this down into more detail. But here's a quick starter:

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Beyonder was above all of this, and has no dimensions or anything. He, at half his power, was unfathomably above all of Marvel.

Your scans are barely universal, and the statements are laughable.

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#27  Edited By Godren

@god_vulcan: It's mostly all scaled off of the Hyperdimensional-Throne quote..excpet for Reinhard and Mercurius since they have the feats."

That is place is none other than the Taikyoku Throne. The Nucleus of the Universe, the Center where all phenomena emanated from the existing Law.Of course, that is not the place where one can reach by walking and flying. It is some sort of Hyperdimensional Space, an extreme point that cannot be described by any language.To even the weakest Hadou/Gudou God, the Throne is nothing more than a tool to use, in addition to being able to both affect and even outright destroy it.Additionally, the force of “Taikyoku” (Which all Hadou/Gudou Gods use as their power source) is responsible for the existence of all reality, including dimensional space itself.Furthermore, within the Hyperdimensional Space of the Throne, the concept of time itself does not exist in any form.

One thing for sure is that is that they are way above Multiversal+ for sure.Reinhard can't even die unless his opposite Mercurius is killed as well.

Edit- They destroyed it as well during their battle.The thing responsible for maintaining, and creating their infinite multiverse.

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How many dimensional?

11,16 or etc.

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How many dimensional?

11,16 or etc.

That doesn't matter in a debate where both the combatants are above dimensions...

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@godren:

One thing for sure is that is that they are way above Multiversal+ for sure.Reinhard can't even die unless his opposite Mercurius is killed as well.

So was PR Molecule Man and Beyonder shits on him.

Edit- They destroyed it as well during their battle.The thing responsible for maintaining, and creating their infinite multiverse.

None of this was stated in your scan.

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@godren said:
@god_vulcan said:

@godren: Sorry to be blunt, but none of that is impressive.

And don't take omnipotent statements literally all the time; several non-omnipotent characters are called omnipotents without being anywhere close to it.

Care to post some feats that make him so much more powerful?

Not going to reread over Secret Wars to give feats for him but he is much more powerful than beings like MM, who in turn is more powerful than all the marvel abstracts.

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And even the Living Tribunal's power exceeds the Infinity gauntlet, which is multiversal in power.

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This is why VS Battles is dumb. So this character doesn't even have many feats but statements

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@jashugan said:

This is why VS Battles is dumb. So this character doesn't even have many feats but statements

It's a visual novel lol.

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@godren: That's even worse because Visual Novels are porn games

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@jashugan said:

@godren: That's even worse because Visual Novels are porn games

Lmao.

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@jashugan said:

@godren: That's even worse because Visual Novels are porn games

Okay...

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@god_vulcan: I'll concede this battle since its hard to find feats and explain this verse and Beyonder has better fleshed out feats.

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@godren said:

@god_vulcan: I'll concede this battle since its hard to find feats and explain this verse and Beyonder has better fleshed out feats.

Good debate. See you around.

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Who bumped this? Beyonder wins.

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Shinza bansho, as it stands now, is a 4-dimensional cosmology. Reinhard transcends this cosmology and has 90 taikyokou, which would make him 90+ infinite baseline multiversal and 5-dimensional. Beyonder transcends a infinite-dimensional cosmology, where all dimensions represents a infinite baseline multiverse with higher planes of existence. The difference between ''infinite dimensional'' and ''infinite baseline multiversal'' is redicilous here. Beyonder blinkstomps Shinza Bansho. There is no evidence for higher dimensions in shinza bansho.

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Yeah. No. Beyonder stomps.

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#45  Edited By Sungsam

You can even argue with Outerverse horse shit that even the Celestials during Secret Wars were also Outerversal. Because the Infinite Layers inside Marvel's Multiverse at the time were NON-PHYSICAL, meaning no physics. No quarks, and transcends Space-Time like Platonic Realms.

Then you can consider that Beyonder (with MM's statement on) is Infinite Layers above Infinite Dimensions of Outerversal Non-Physics/Timeless Spaceless Higher Dimensions. Then you can consider Beyonder High-Outerversal VIA that horse shit. And everyone including LT, Death, Eternity were all Outerversal.

Reinhard dies even with Outerverse horse shit. At least, this is me doing a better job than VSBattles.

Just saying, that's what you get. We are out of VSBattle's sphere of ban hammers. So we can play that game. And turn the Tiering System into our subversion.

Some VSBattles debaters accuse me of inventing the Cosmology Tier system because I lose with the Outerverse shit cuz I am a Comic Fanboi.

No I don't.

I think Outerverse Shit (Used more correctly and intelligently in the Sungsam Method) in fact benefits Beyonder and HOLY SHIT does it benefit Composite DC Cosmology and made it stomp Umineko even more IMO because Mxy's 5th Dimension is Outerversal already, and is several layers above the Infinite Number of Source Wall Multiverses, one of it containing a Sphere of the Gods that is Infinite-D and Platonic to two writer merging which I firmly believe still stomps Outerversal Umineko Highballed. I just don't use it, because it's stupid. And I hate Outerverse shit.

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@sungsam: Don't want to be intrusive, but I hope I used you're dimensional tiering correctly.

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#47  Edited By Sungsam

@yasindermann said:

@sungsam: Don't want to be intrusive, but I hope I used you're dimensional tiering correctly.

Dies Irae is confirmed to run on String Theory so it is in fact, 10-Dimensional. But @etriel has the most reservations on that.

Nonetheless, given our methods here, Reinhard has 0 chances. The Meta-Concepts inside Dies Irae don't have the same feats as the concepts inside Marvel at the time.

Lady Death's non-existence caused a mere flower incapable of being destroyed by Owen. That is something.

Until I find that DI's concepts also operate on Infinite Orders of Infinity like Marvel concepts do, I do not care about their so called Concept Hax extrapolation.

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@sungsam: Ok, because back then you said that dies irae has only one infinite baseline multiverse. But there are still no infinite dimensions.

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Stalemate.

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@sungsam: Ok, because back then you said that dies irae has only one infinite baseline multiverse. But there are still no infinite dimensions.

It depends on your interpretation. Etriel explains it far better than I. But like, 20% of fictions that have what appear to be "Baseline Multiverses" in fact use String Theory.

The only reason why I highball it is because it makes no difference. In my opinion, the only people who like to lowball are those who know their selected character will lose if they do not lowball the Opponent.