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Wonder Woman has sword only no lasso or shield

who will win?

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Superman.

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#3  Edited By Diablo712

Diana negs him In a fight. She's objectively better. Been referred in snyders jl run

And she also killed batman fused with Darkseid in rebirth with neither shield nor lasso.

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She's also done well with a bloodlusted superman alrdy (regardless be it just holding him back here)

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she also killed batman fused with Darkseid in rebirth

@diablo712 ^ what can this guy do? what are his feats?

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Superman under most conditions always wins against Diana.

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#6  Edited By Tedirey

@tauio said:

she also killed batman fused with Darkseid in rebirth

@diablo712 ^ what can this guy do? what are his feats?

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This is his only feat but considering this is a fusion between Darkseid and Batman, this being is pretty formidable.

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Superman has more or less better feats when in base with out lasso in her side

He wins mid difficulty

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Superman mid - difs it

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Superman gets his throat slit. Gg

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Mostly Superman

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Superman could even end the fight before Diana realized anything happened, but Superman doesn't do that kind of stuff

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Superman wins mid-diff.

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#14 Foreveralive  Online

Superman

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If we don’t use weakened Superman then Superman’s wins comfortably not a stomp but a good win

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Superman what is with y’all and the Superman lowball

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Diana negs him In a fight. She's objectively better. Been referred in snyders jl run

And she also killed batman fused with Darkseid in rebirth with neither shield nor lasso.

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She's also done well with a bloodlusted superman alrdy (regardless be it just holding him back here)

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Diana didn't kill Darkfather. She was shown punching him to no effect, he knocked her aside casually and then Superman oneshotted him.

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#18  Edited By Diablo712

@mindset01: kal upper cutted him while dark father had all of his hope lost post the nekron ring reveal. He owned superman off that world alrdy. (not death metal kal)

Diana did tell that it was her who killed dark father later. Off panel. The league also supported this. Just because she got knocked "aside" (not down)>when the battle started< dosent mean wonder woman is a liar.

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@mindset01: kal upper cutted him while dark father had all of his hope lost post the nekron ring reveal. He owned superman off that world alrdy. (not death metal kal)

Diana did tell that it was her who killed dark father later. Off panel. The league also supported this. Just because she got knocked "aside" (not down)>when the battle started< dosent mean wonder woman is a liar.

How's "losing hope" relevant here? We did not see the fight which Superman and Darkfather fought (he is the same Superman in Death Metal BTW, not different)

She is talking about BWL who she had killed earlier, not Darkfather.

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Superman stomps, Diana without amps is a glorified mid-tier in Rebirth.

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Superman stomps, Diana without amps is a glorified mid-tier in Rebirth.

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#22  Edited By Diablo712

@mindset01 said:
@diablo712 said:

@mindset01: kal upper cutted him while dark father had all of his hope lost post the nekron ring reveal. He owned superman off that world alrdy. (not death metal kal)

Diana did tell that it was her who killed dark father later. Off panel. The league also supported this. Just because she got knocked "aside" (not down)>when the battle started< dosent mean wonder woman is a liar.

How's "losing hope" relevant here? We did not see the fight which Superman and Darkfather fought (he is the same Superman in Death Metal BTW, not different)

She is talking about BWL who she had killed earlier, not Darkfather.

He lost hope.. He didn't see a chance of him winning that takeover of new apokalips

Reflected pretty throughly on panel

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He is the same superman? You mean the same guy you quoted as having one shotted dark father? Kek. Nice nice.

We literally see him uppercutting dark father on panel and he then came back to Bruce. But according to you, superman killed the immortal new god in 5 sec and it was the same superman who got owned by dark father. Not given you a clue yet? I'm still prepared to believe it as same superman, but meh won't matter in a fight against ww.

Dont think ww was talking about a kill she had done 3 issues prior when the main reason they went to new apokalips was to rek Darkseid and free superman.

We have ww directly referring and talking about the bwl 8n the following panel which quite plainly goes against the notion that she meant bwl as who she had killed (instead of dark father).

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@underfire47 said:

Superman stomps, Diana without amps is a glorified mid-tier in Rebirth.

oh damn look this two agree on something

christmas spirit power lol

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#25  Edited By Tedirey
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A few things:

Darkseid can easily survive the destruction of a planet unscathed and yet her punches drew blood.

And here: The combined might of the following JLA: Martian Manhunter, Flash, Supergirl, Hhawkgirl, Cyborg and Batman are easily absorbed by the Dark God:

But somehow, The Dark God knew Wonder Woman's power is not containable.

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Still think Superman stomps mid-diff at best.

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Diana wins in a hard fight.

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That ww needs his sword speaks to the differences between the two. superman

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#29  Edited By Tedirey

@comic2020:

Wait, Wonder Woman has her sword?!

She wins convincingly. She's more skillful and if she wants to, Kryptonian level speedsters can't touch her.

And even without her bracelets, her faith powers makes her pretty invulnerable against the godkiller which would easily slice anyone.

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@tedirey said:

@comic2020:

Wait, Wonder Woman has her sword?!

She wins convincingly. She's more skillful and if she wants to, Kryptonian level speedsters can't touch her.

LOL.

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Supes wins

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superman can become intangible = useless sword.

It has always been said that superman is faster, but since he is not a warrior he needs to think what slows him down, ww is a warrior reacts without thinking what gives him an advantage, what everyone forgets is that superman has torquasm rao (ultra instinct Kryptonian) so he doesn't need to think to react either = faster superman. superman gets his powers from the sun, if necessary he can go to the sun, or directly take the fight to the sun = superman multiplies his strength.

Superman has x-ray vision, which would allow him to see the muscle movement directly and thereby anticipate (he cannot read his blows, but he can see them coming before) to the blows.

Superman has calorific vision and freezing breath, he can keep distances to slow down his enemy, a perfect way to control combat.

superman has torquasm vu, it allows him to create a psychic avatar that fights beside him = superman and his avatar vs ww.

I think he can also control the fortress with his voice. And I know that all this is not in the character of superman, but neither is it fighting to fight, that's why everything vs superman goes against the character.

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@comic2020: Can you tell me the last time Superman has actually done Torquasm Rao that isn't the 90's?

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Lol, without her sword she loses badly, with it she may have a chance.

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Superman should break her neck after a long, hard, fight.

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Superman under most conditions always wins against Diana.

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WW but as he'd be beat up bad. She'd walk away badly hurt while Supes is done.

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@mindset01 said:
@diablo712 said:

@mindset01: kal upper cutted him while dark father had all of his hope lost post the nekron ring reveal. He owned superman off that world alrdy. (not death metal kal)

Diana did tell that it was her who killed dark father later. Off panel. The league also supported this. Just because she got knocked "aside" (not down)>when the battle started< dosent mean wonder woman is a liar.

How's "losing hope" relevant here? We did not see the fight which Superman and Darkfather fought (he is the same Superman in Death Metal BTW, not different)

She is talking about BWL who she had killed earlier, not Darkfather.

He lost hope.. He didn't see a chance of him winning that takeover of new apokalips

Reflected pretty throughly on panel

And what exactly does this imply? He was suddenly less powerfu;?

He is the same superman? You mean the same guy you quoted as having one shotted dark father? Kek. Nice nice.

Yes, only infected with Anti Life which had almost totally drained his power.

We literally see him uppercutting dark father on panel and he then came back to Bruce. But according to you, superman killed the immortal new god in 5 sec and it was the same superman who got owned by dark father. Not given you a clue yet? I'm still prepared to believe it as same superman, but meh won't matter in a fight against ww.

We didn't see how Darkfather originally beat Superman , it could've been done by any measure. We however saw Diana vs Darkfather and Superman vs Darkfather in the same issue and Superman was vastly more powerful.

Dont think ww was talking about a kill she had done 3 issues prior when the main reason they went to new apokalips was to rek Darkseid and free superman.

You have obviously not read the issue as Diana is with the heroes for literally every page after Darkfather is punched away by Superman. Where did she actually kill Darkfather?

We have ww directly referring and talking about the bwl 8n the following panel which quite plainly goes against the notion that she meant bwl as who she had killed (instead of dark father).

Because she knew that he was going in another body. But pray tell, where did she kill Darkfather? Here is the full sequence.

We see her free Mr Miracle and then go to the heroes who are imprisoned. When did she went out and kill Darkfather?

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@itachi_is_gawd: Superman has literally never beaten Diana in a straight up fight ever in canon....

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@itachi_is_gawd: Superman has literally never beaten Diana in a straight up fight ever in canon....

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Final Crisis 6, she is koed by his HV while he wasn't even attacking her.

Justice League America annual 6. He casually restrains her while she is mindcontrolled by Maxima and takes her away to break her control.

This is basically what she does in every fight where he is conveniently mind controlled (and she gets broken bones, burned to the bone or straight up koed before that happens).

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@mindset01: first scans out of context since she was under mind control and wasnt directly fighting Superman and doesnt explicitly show her being Koed...nice try

Second scan he literally picked her up and they neve fought...try again

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#43  Edited By Ancient_0f_Days

@mindset01: unless you're going to show Wonder Woman losing a direct confrontation, I'll just post Wonder Woman slitting Supermans throat and call that a win for her

And I mentioned mind control in the first set of scans because she was so nerfed by it that she didnt even consider flying let alone using all her powers at all.

You might as well just admit that you dont have a single shred of evidence of Superman decisively beating Wonder Woman in a direct confrontation

Even if that first feat was valid, which it isnt, much like the second, outside of her giving up during league of one and blacking out for a second while trying not to fight a Sun boosted Superman...there isnt anything for you here

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@mindset01: unless you're going to show Wonder Woman losing a direct confrontation, I'll just post Wonder Woman slitting Supermans throat and call that a win for her

How funny that she lost in an indirect confrontation? Anyway, mindocontrolled Superman unable to avoid a tiara shot which didn't even made him fall down is hardly a win.

And I mentioned mind control in the first set of scans because she was so nerfed by it that she didnt even consider flying let alone using all her powers at all.

But that doesn't apply to Superman, eh?

You might as well just admit that you dont have a single shred of evidence of Superman decisively beating Wonder Woman in a direct confrontation

Except that oneshot KO, eh?

Even if that first feat was valid, which it isnt, much like the second, outside of her giving up during league of one and blacking out for a second while trying not to fight a Sun boosted Superman...there isnt anything for you here

Sun boosted Superman (where did that come from as Superman is boosted only on the surface of the sun) and a KO is not valid? Mind control is nerfing for WW but not for Superman?

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@mindset01: first scans out of context since she was under mind control and wasnt directly fighting Superman and doesnt explicitly show her being Koed...nice try

That's much more embarrassing then, isn't it? He wasn't fighting her either, she was simply koed by him passing. You are right, she is just sleeping there because why not.

Second scan he literally picked her up and they neve fought...try again

Because she is literally that weak, he could just pick her up and carry away like nothing.

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@mindset01: being mindcontrolled made Superman fight like he was going all out, Diana while a fury chose to ride on a dog and not even fly or use her lasso, tiara, or super speed once... also wasnt even fighting him so thats a nerf and a non feat since she got knocked down, not out.

Being right next to the Sun makes Superman stronger, or are you just new here? That KO is not valid since he was the only one fighting, she didnt even start fighting back until after she hit the ground, deflecting his heatvision and pulling out kryptonite is basically the least she could do to defend herself without fighting him directly so the fight didnt even start until he hit her. Non feat.

"She's literally that weak"

Yet Superman has never outright beaten her once

Go debate some other character, you're not capable of continuing here

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Superman snaps her neck Like a twig

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@zuriel-el: since hes never done that in canon, no, she slices his neck open, again

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#49  Edited By ProfessorRespect

If comparing from Rebirth feats (the point of the OP that nearly everyone seems to bluntly ignore out of fear of how much they don't read Rebirth stuff etc) Diana has too many anti-showings to compare to Sups. At least he has a few really good feats and fights to go from.

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Didn't she just get an upgrade in Death Metal?