Reality Warping vs Telepath

I've always wondered who would win  between a reality warper and a telepath...Could the telepath  shut their mind down before they an form a thought? Or  Can a reality warper bend the laws of reality to stop the telepath...Any character from any universe can be used to support your argument...

Well it depends who is the faster draw...like you said
 
I guess being a reality warper can just change whatever they want, they could stop time and then could just make turn the telepath into a lawn chair

@cattlebattle: True...But both powers work at the speed of thought so the same an be said  about telepath smashing their mind with a psi-bolt or just shutting their mind completely...

Depends on who acts first. 

it really all depends on who's the telepath and who's the reality warper.

For me you have to be crazy to get into a reality werper mind.  
 
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Xavier vs his son, a reality werper. 

It depends on who gets the first blow. If the telepath was smart, they would attack the reality warper remotely, rather than walk up to them and try to attack or announce themselves. That would be suicidal. A telepath of sufficient strength could easily create an astral projection that would enable them to force the warper into unconsciousness.

I always had an idea in mind (just my thoughts, nothing more) that reality warping is pretty much a very strong illusion that makes everyone think something is changing.

"I always had an idea in mind (just my thoughts, nothing more) that reality warping is pretty much a very strong illusion that makes everyone think something is changing. "
 
 
 
It's called power of Perception.
 
 

"I always had an idea in mind (just my thoughts, nothing more) that reality warping is pretty much a very strong illusion that makes everyone think something is changing. "
 
 
 
It's called power of Perception.
 
 

Reality Warper.

Whoever is faster. a powerful telepath should be able to mind rape a reality warper if he/she is faster.. Else a reality warper would quite simply warp the reality such that the said person does not have telepathic powers anymore. 
 
@Roddy010: Obviously if u include reality warpers that cant be mind raped like erm Eternity, or those celestial than reality warpers by a long long way! 
 
IF i have to put my money on, i'd say telepath, to warp reality u need to concentrate and u cannot concentrate when someone is trying to have sex with ur brains! =)

@tron_bonne said:

"I always had an idea in mind (just my thoughts, nothing more) that reality warping is pretty much a very strong illusion that makes everyone think something is changing. "
 
 
 
It's called power of Perception.
 
 

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IMO Reality Warping would be the superior power in overall power

@cattlebattle: Yeah but as I said, couldn't the RW just freeze time, or make a duplicate of themselves while getting mind fried, than the duplicate just banishes them from existence, I mean with Warping...the possibilities are limitless

So in raw power RW wins over TP in that sense. However I do think that Reality warping does require more creativity and more focus and therefore is generally slower to manifest than Telepathy would be. Ergo - IT would take a higher leveled Reality Warper to match the speed of a lower level Telepath.

Then there is the fact that reality warping is more about creativeness (as I said before) and thus you actually have to think things through as you warp it, while telepathy is more like Turn off his brain or shut down the area of the brain which his powers are manifested in. Reality warping would be like Shift this into that, that into this and then distribute them (even if it is done subconsciously while thinking, it still requires more concentration).

Another affect is that RW has the potential to backfire

@jezer: I mean, there's no reason to assume that one of them would be faster than the other - if we aren't using specific characters.

If they both acted at the same time, the reality warper can do more damage with his thought than the telepath.

So, assuming they got off an attack at the same time, the reality warper takes the telepath out of existence - while the telepath shuts down his mind.

If the reality warper recovers, or has enough conscious power to do anything, he can simply undo what the telepath did to him.

The telepath can't undo being erased from the reality.

If one were to simply say Erase people instead of Erase person than they could erase themselves (Although it may not be likely, the extra thought process may be enough to give the Telepath the advantage.)

A telepath would probably have the advantage at range and a warper would probably have the advantage up close

@phoenixofthetides: It depends on who gets the first blow. If the telepath was smart, they would attack the reality warper remotely, rather than walk up to them and try to attack or announce themselves. That would be suicidal. A telepath of sufficient strength could easily create an astral projection that would enable them to force the warper into unconsciousness.

Then there is also training, speed of thought and overall strength in particular power. Some "telepaths" are limited in their ability to simple thought suggestion or mind control but don't have access to other powers within telepathy.

Same with reality warpers, some may only be able to warp certain objects, or certain people (eg. Themselves) and thus their powers are ineffective against anyone or anything else.

Overall the power battle would probably be very close, and the winner could either completely obliterate the loser or just barely defeat the runner up. Depends on who, where or when the battle took place and who's writing the story.

This is all just my oppinion though, no need to spread it around.

My thoughts exactly.

The answer certainly varies on a case-by-case basis, depending on characters and context, but from what I can tell the average reality warper requires more effort and focus to warp reality than the average telepath does to invade and alter someone's mind. Not that a telepath doesn't also need a degree of focus, but certainly less. I think this is likely due to how often one uses their powers; reality warpers typically don't exercise their powers willy nilly as the ramifications can be enormous. However, almost all telepaths in comics are CONSTANTLY reading others thoughts, even if passively. Not only does this mean they use their powers more often, but it also means that they are likely more prepared to act and use their powers more aggressively in any given situation. Thus, when using the "quick draw" comparison, the telepath would basically have two advantages of a) regularly going to a shooting range every day to practice (constant probing) and b) already having the gun drawn and pointed (already in their opponent's mind). So, on average I'd say telepath wins, but it's VERY context-specific.

@equonox: agreed as well

Reality warped stops time then warps telepath out of exisistence

Depends. Some reality warpers can do it passively, like Franklin Richards, so his mind might defend itself even if he can't react faster than the telepath.

Reality Warping is stronger. By the argument of who's the faster draw, a normal bloke with a gun could beat a reality warper if he was faster on the draw. Doesn't mean he's stronger, or has the better 'power.'

Telepaths think faster than non-telepaths, so maybe a telepath could beat a reality warper

Based on what?

Comics

@candymandy3366: Those same comics show telepaths also getting tagged by non-telepaths.

Yea, telepaths are inconsistent sometimes

Reality warping basically means anything. A reality warper should be able to make him/herself a telepath, super durable, strong, intangible etc.

Couldn't a reality warper just make his or her self immune to telepathic attacks?

......Well Depends whos more competent, but Reality warpers can either make Her/Himself immune to Telepathy. while telepaths can only hope that the reality warper is stupid.

Depends on the scenario. This is why powers vs powers is stupid.

Reality Warping >>>>>>>>>

True, but telepathy is more than a raw power based ability. There is a lot of skill and experience going into it. Any well-trained telepath won’t be deterred by a reality warper giving themselves telepathy when the reality warper doesn’t know the fundamentals of it.

If they can, I haven’t really seen it. There isn’t really such a thing as immunities for telepaths, unless you are literal non-living thing.

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They would need prep time

Well it depends on what type of fight this is. The telepath beats the reality warper in a random encounter, with prep the reality warper stomps

A mental shield blocks mental manipulation too.

Blocks it, yes, but that is dependent on willpower and/or raw power.

Depends on who draws first.

@pyrofn: what about phantomex?

Most large scale reality warping requires focus and imagination...

When Xavier was restraining Scarlet Witch in early House of M he was able to disrupt her reality a couple times

You mean Fantomex? He has good psychic defenses, but it’s not a complete immunity. He still has to exercise his control or have E.V.A bump up the defense. Otherwise, a telepath can find a way in if they know where to look.

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Maybe large reality warping requires greater focus, skill, and imagination, something that Wanda has.

But a reality warper doesn't need that much speed or energy to defeat a telepath.

Reality warping basically surpasses any other superpower by any means. I've always seen it as the greatest abstract of existence. Like Infinity stones, someone with reality warping powers can provide him/herself any functional power of other 5 stones (resurrection four soul, teleportation for space, telepathy for mind etc.). It's just too overpowered.

Especially Wanda. Marvel tries so hard with her, using her powers as plot device, makes her fight even MODOK with her hexes when she can literally end him by thinking of it. They have always restricted her by using "mental instability" or "power inconsistency" to avoid her potential of ending most of battles they've been to.

I'm just waiting for MCU to use her as a plot device to mess with multiverse with her reality warping powers and then make her fight with the likes of Ultron robots with difficulty, because it would be ridiculous for her to end the battle as soon as it starts. Sadly.