randy couture (in his prime) vs bruce lee

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@CortSether said:

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UFC rules: Both have the possibility of winning. If RC gets Bruce in a hold, it's over for the Chinese-German. BUT, Bruce could win by hitting and kicking RC extremely hard, backing away, then hitting/kicking RC again extremely hard, rinse and repeat until RC taps.

Street fight: Bruce wins every time.

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kicks are the last thing lee wants to do"

depends on how fast and where he kicks him though "

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" no it doesn't.  Kicking a wrestler is begging to be taken down "

Just ask Machida. Wait... "

How many did Tito attempt again?

" How many did Tito attempt again? "

He went 0 for 5, and got kicked more than once.

" He went 0 for 5, and got kicked more than once. "

"@Korg said:

" He went 0 for 5, and got kicked more than once. "

but he didn't try to counter kicks with takedowns, he just shot in from really far away as usual.  This isn't even relevant, since machida has done wrestling pretty extensively. "

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@Korg said:

" He went 0 for 5, and got kicked more than once. "

but he didn't try to counter kicks with takedowns, he just shot in from really far away as usual.  This isn't even relevant, since machida has done wrestling pretty extensively. "

bruce also has the speed factor of his kicks though, randy will have a hard time grabbing or countering something thats as fast as a kick from bruce "

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@Korg said:

" He went 0 for 5, and got kicked more than once. "

but he didn't try to counter kicks with takedowns, he just shot in from really far away as usual.  This isn't even relevant, since machida has done wrestling pretty extensively. "

bruce also has the speed factor of his kicks though, randy will have a hard time grabbing or countering something thats as fast as a kick from bruce "

you're overestimating lee's speed and your totally underestimating wrestling"

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@Korg said:

" He went 0 for 5, and got kicked more than once. "

but he didn't try to counter kicks with takedowns, he just shot in from really far away as usual.  This isn't even relevant, since machida has done wrestling pretty extensively. "

bruce also has the speed factor of his kicks though, randy will have a hard time grabbing or countering something thats as fast as a kick from bruce "

you're overestimating lee's speed and your totally underestimating wrestling"

not so much, lees kicks were to fast for the camera to pick it up well, and i am not underestimating wrestling but randy grabbing bruces leg before bruce can pull it away does not seem like something bruce would let happen. "

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@Korg said:

" He went 0 for 5, and got kicked more than once. "

but he didn't try to counter kicks with takedowns, he just shot in from really far away as usual.  This isn't even relevant, since machida has done wrestling pretty extensively. "

bruce also has the speed factor of his kicks though, randy will have a hard time grabbing or countering something thats as fast as a kick from bruce "

you're overestimating lee's speed and your totally underestimating wrestling"

not so much, lees kicks were to fast for the camera to pick it up well, and i am not underestimating wrestling but randy grabbing bruces leg before bruce can pull it away does not seem like something bruce would let happen. "

no they weren't.  Got proof of this?  And it doesn't matter if bruce wants to let it happen or not, that's the point of wrestling.  You make your opponent do what you want them to do, you dictate what happens."

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@Korg said:

" He went 0 for 5, and got kicked more than once. "

but he didn't try to counter kicks with takedowns, he just shot in from really far away as usual.  This isn't even relevant, since machida has done wrestling pretty extensively. "

bruce also has the speed factor of his kicks though, randy will have a hard time grabbing or countering something thats as fast as a kick from bruce "

you're overestimating lee's speed and your totally underestimating wrestling"

not so much, lees kicks were to fast for the camera to pick it up well, and i am not underestimating wrestling but randy grabbing bruces leg before bruce can pull it away does not seem like something bruce would let happen. "

no they weren't.  Got proof of this?  And it doesn't matter if bruce wants to let it happen or not, that's the point of wrestling.  You make your opponent do what you want them to do, you dictate what happens."

watch at 4:00 to 5:50 to see how fast he is

  

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"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@Korg said:

" He went 0 for 5, and got kicked more than once. "

but he didn't try to counter kicks with takedowns, he just shot in from really far away as usual.  This isn't even relevant, since machida has done wrestling pretty extensively. "

bruce also has the speed factor of his kicks though, randy will have a hard time grabbing or countering something thats as fast as a kick from bruce "

you're overestimating lee's speed and your totally underestimating wrestling"

not so much, lees kicks were to fast for the camera to pick it up well, and i am not underestimating wrestling but randy grabbing bruces leg before bruce can pull it away does not seem like something bruce would let happen. "

no they weren't.  Got proof of this?  And it doesn't matter if bruce wants to let it happen or not, that's the point of wrestling.  You make your opponent do what you want them to do, you dictate what happens."

watch at 4:00 to 5:50 to see how fast he is

  

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uh yea, i can see all of his strikes, not to mention that those strikes are weak."

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@Korg said:

" He went 0 for 5, and got kicked more than once. "

but he didn't try to counter kicks with takedowns, he just shot in from really far away as usual.  This isn't even relevant, since machida has done wrestling pretty extensively. "

bruce also has the speed factor of his kicks though, randy will have a hard time grabbing or countering something thats as fast as a kick from bruce "

you're overestimating lee's speed and your totally underestimating wrestling"

not so much, lees kicks were to fast for the camera to pick it up well, and i am not underestimating wrestling but randy grabbing bruces leg before bruce can pull it away does not seem like something bruce would let happen. "

no they weren't.  Got proof of this?  And it doesn't matter if bruce wants to let it happen or not, that's the point of wrestling.  You make your opponent do what you want them to do, you dictate what happens."

watch at 4:00 to 5:50 to see how fast he is

  

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uh yea, i can see all of his strikes, not to mention that those strikes are weak."

it seemed rather fast to me, he was also not trying to hurt the guy like come on lol. "

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@Korg said:

" He went 0 for 5, and got kicked more than once. "

but he didn't try to counter kicks with takedowns, he just shot in from really far away as usual.  This isn't even relevant, since machida has done wrestling pretty extensively. "

bruce also has the speed factor of his kicks though, randy will have a hard time grabbing or countering something thats as fast as a kick from bruce "

you're overestimating lee's speed and your totally underestimating wrestling"

not so much, lees kicks were to fast for the camera to pick it up well, and i am not underestimating wrestling but randy grabbing bruces leg before bruce can pull it away does not seem like something bruce would let happen. "

no they weren't.  Got proof of this?  And it doesn't matter if bruce wants to let it happen or not, that's the point of wrestling.  You make your opponent do what you want them to do, you dictate what happens."

watch at 4:00 to 5:50 to see how fast he is

  

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uh yea, i can see all of his strikes, not to mention that those strikes are weak."

it seemed rather fast to me, he was also not trying to hurt the guy like come on lol. "

doesn't matter, kung fu strikes are weak anyway.  Lee would be on his back on the canvas or street or wherever after he tries the first one.  "

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@Korg said:

" He went 0 for 5, and got kicked more than once. "

but he didn't try to counter kicks with takedowns, he just shot in from really far away as usual.  This isn't even relevant, since machida has done wrestling pretty extensively. "

bruce also has the speed factor of his kicks though, randy will have a hard time grabbing or countering something thats as fast as a kick from bruce "

you're overestimating lee's speed and your totally underestimating wrestling"

not so much, lees kicks were to fast for the camera to pick it up well, and i am not underestimating wrestling but randy grabbing bruces leg before bruce can pull it away does not seem like something bruce would let happen. "

no they weren't.  Got proof of this?  And it doesn't matter if bruce wants to let it happen or not, that's the point of wrestling.  You make your opponent do what you want them to do, you dictate what happens."

watch at 4:00 to 5:50 to see how fast he is

  

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uh yea, i can see all of his strikes, not to mention that those strikes are weak."

it seemed rather fast to me, he was also not trying to hurt the guy like come on lol. "

doesn't matter, kung fu strikes are weak anyway.  Lee would be on his back on the canvas or street or wherever after he tries the first one.  "

lees strikes are far from weak man, i can get you a vid of him traning "

why do you think that lee is your normal kung fu striker?

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why do you think that lee is your normal kung fu striker?

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"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

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why do you think that lee is your normal kung fu striker?

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when that video he did for green hornet was taken, he was.  Anyway, the fact remains that lee simply has no answer for couture's wrestling."

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

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why do you think that lee is your normal kung fu striker?

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when that video he did for green hornet was taken, he was.  Anyway, the fact remains that lee simply has no answer for couture's wrestling."

he has the answer, it's to not let him take you down, bruce will be moving around and getting in quick strikes before randy can come at him "

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

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why do you think that lee is your normal kung fu striker?

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when that video he did for green hornet was taken, he was.  Anyway, the fact remains that lee simply has no answer for couture's wrestling."

he has the answer, it's to not let him take you down, bruce will be moving around and getting in quick strikes before randy can come at him "

and again, you simply don't know anything about wrestling.  Watch some early UFCs, when strikers fought wrestlers.  The wrestlers won every time."

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

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why do you think that lee is your normal kung fu striker?

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when that video he did for green hornet was taken, he was.  Anyway, the fact remains that lee simply has no answer for couture's wrestling."

he has the answer, it's to not let him take you down, bruce will be moving around and getting in quick strikes before randy can come at him "

and again, you simply don't know anything about wrestling.  Watch some early UFCs, when strikers fought wrestlers.  The wrestlers won every time."

i know about wrestling, it's the idea to take the person down, to make them think that it's there game they are playing but yet it's all going for you, to take them down and hold them and not let them get up after, it's the idea that you should ALWAYS be in control on the mat, but bruce is smart and he will not let randy do this since bruce will be thinking about the style that randy is using, and i have seen the early UFC fights but most of those guys are not on the level bruce was. "

"doesnt Bruce Lee have some experience with Boxing and Judo though as well ?
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"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

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why do you think that lee is your normal kung fu striker?

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when that video he did for green hornet was taken, he was.  Anyway, the fact remains that lee simply has no answer for couture's wrestling."

he has the answer, it's to not let him take you down, bruce will be moving around and getting in quick strikes before randy can come at him "

and again, you simply don't know anything about wrestling.  Watch some early UFCs, when strikers fought wrestlers.  The wrestlers won every time."

i know about wrestling, it's the idea to take the person down, to make them think that it's there game they are playing but yet it's all going for you, to take them down and hold them and not let them get up after, it's the idea that you should ALWAYS be in control on the mat, but bruce is smart and he will not let randy do this since bruce will be thinking about the style that randy is using, and i have seen the early UFC fights but most of those guys are not on the level bruce was. "

what makes you think that?  Also, most of those wrestlers were no where near as good as randy was either"

" doesnt Bruce Lee have some experience with Boxing and Judo though as well ?
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This is a horribly tasteless joke. "

"he probably saw fist of the north star and thought it was a documentary "

" @King Saturn said:

" doesnt Bruce Lee have some experience with Boxing and Judo though as well ?
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going to a high school tournament and training for a few weeks with someone doesn't qualify as useful experience. "

Couture will definitely win a UFC style match

Bruce might very well win in a combat situation on the street

sport-tournaments and combat where you're trying to survive by killing or maiming your opponent are very different

On the street there's more space and Bruce's speed and knowledge of killing strikes will come in very handy

"@DaMainMan said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DaMainMan said:

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Good luck putting him in the hold with his 1"punch that can rupture organs, the endless holds that can break any joint in your body or just knocking you the f^4k out.

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k, well its clear that you don't know much of anything about wrestling, mma, or bruce lee for that matter, if you think he can "rupture organs" with a 1 inch punch"

It's clear YOU don't know ish from shinola. My uncle was a famous professional wrestler (went into after a football injury kept him from going for the NFL). I hold 3 belts in 3 different styles (my sensei is the current USA and North American Karate champion-and earned the right to fight the Japanese champ- they flew over here just to watch him). Our training has scared the hell out of professional boxers (ex-heavy weight champ Michael Moorer who by the way who I couldn't get to go a few rounds with me). I went to boot camp at Parris Island (U.S.M.C.) I know more about fighting than you will ever read about fanboy and if REAL martial artists say it's possible then I'll take their word over comic book geeks. "

before i reply, i just want to call bollocks on that statement.Scratch that, your whole post reeks of bullshido.  You sound like a 13 year old kid who doesn't know what he's talking about.  Pro wrestling and the wrestling randy couture does are obviously not the same.  Wow, you have a belt in karate (doubtful), what does that have to do with this, since Lee isn't a Karate guy?  Also, you don't know anything about me either, so i woudn't go around calling me a "fanboy" who doesn't know anything about martial arts."

Bruce Lee is an excellent fighter, and I think he could deal with UFC rules. However, I honestly feel like Randy would beat him in that setting more often than not. In a street fight, it's a toss-up. I don't know how well Bruce would do against a wrestler, but I do know that he was beaten by a Judoka three times.

Randy 1st fight
Lee 2nd fight

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @King Saturn said:

" doesnt Bruce Lee have some experience with Boxing and Judo though as well ?
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going to a high school tournament and training for a few weeks with someone doesn't qualify as useful experience. "

a few weeks... I thought Bruce had a little bit more training in Boxing and Judo than just a few weeks "

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DaMainMan said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"@DaMainMan said:

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Good luck putting him in the hold with his 1"punch that can rupture organs, the endless holds that can break any joint in your body or just knocking you the f^4k out.

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k, well its clear that you don't know much of anything about wrestling, mma, or bruce lee for that matter, if you think he can "rupture organs" with a 1 inch punch"

It's clear YOU don't know ish from shinola. My uncle was a famous professional wrestler (went into after a football injury kept him from going for the NFL). I hold 3 belts in 3 different styles (my sensei is the current USA and North American Karate champion-and earned the right to fight the Japanese champ- they flew over here just to watch him). Our training has scared the hell out of professional boxers (ex-heavy weight champ Michael Moorer who by the way who I couldn't get to go a few rounds with me). I went to boot camp at Parris Island (U.S.M.C.) I know more about fighting than you will ever read about fanboy and if REAL martial artists say it's possible then I'll take their word over comic book geeks. "

before i reply, i just want to call bollocks on that statement.Scratch that, your whole post reeks of bullshido.  You sound like a 13 year old kid who doesn't know what he's talking about.  Pro wrestling and the wrestling randy couture does are obviously not the same.  Wow, you have a belt in karate (doubtful), what does that have to do with this, since Lee isn't a Karate guy?  Also, you don't know anything about me either, so i woudn't go around calling me a "fanboy" who doesn't know anything about martial arts."

Never said Bruce was a Karate guy. I pointed out that his style encompasses a wide range of other styles which include grappling. MY background is in Karate and that was to point out how wrong you are about what I know. Based on my expirence (which is quite varied) Bruce was a far more agile, deadly and versatile fighter. But then again I'm just a bloke who actually fights competitively and for fun. Cheers. "

He  better well be!

" He  better well be! "

still waiting for an explanation as to why bruce lee doesn't get taken down immediately

"still waiting for an explanation as to why bruce lee doesn't get taken down immediately"

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"still waiting for an explanation as to why bruce lee doesn't get taken down immediately"

i given some, bruce is faster then randy and is not gonna let randy do this, he will be all about the quick and powerful strikes then back away and not let randy get close enough to go for a take down, he may not know as much as randy but he knows enough to not let him grab him. "

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

"still waiting for an explanation as to why bruce lee doesn't get taken down immediately"

i given some, bruce is faster then randy and is not gonna let randy do this, he will be all about the quick and powerful strikes then back away and not let randy get close enough to go for a take down, he may not know as much as randy but he knows enough to not let him grab him. "

and how's he not going to let him grab him?  It's not like they are fighting in a massive field with no building or structures of any kind, eventually, bruce is gonig to run out of places to run.  and incase you didn't know, if you're close enough to punch, your close enough to get taken down.  Also, if you're close enough to kick, you're close enough to get taken down."

So it's impossible for Bruce to knock the guy out with a punch? I mean if you can break boards and limbs surely you can hit hard and fast enought to ko your oppenent. And Bruce also has grappling skills, he just didn't have to resort to them cause of the ease and quickness of his victories.

" So it's impossible for Bruce to knock the guy out with a punch? I mean if you can break boards and limbs surely you can hit hard and fast enought to ko your oppenent. And Bruce also has grappling skills, he just didn't have to resort to them cause of the ease and quickness of his victories. "

bruce lee is tiny.

That is the biggest obstacle here. If he were closer to Randy's size this would be a fight. but he is not. It's not like he is only 20 pounds lighter...

Size Does matter in a fight.

Why does Bob Sapp have ANY wins? Because he is made out of logs. He has virtually no skill what so ever yet he mows through jobbers like crazy.

Bruce lee looks like a 9 year old to Randy, and he has mad skills.

Randy beats him down. 
(yes, Bruce is a legend. yes, Bruce was an innovator. Yes, bruce made awesome movies. Yes, i have all his movies. Yes, he is the reason i got into martial arts.Yes Bruce gets his ass kicked in this fight.)