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Posted by skywalker95 (4271 posts) 5 months, 1 day ago

Poll: Raimi New Goblin vs MCU Falcon (32 votes)

Harry 72%
Sam 28%
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#1 Posted by SocaJunkie (8361 posts) - - Show Bio

Harry stomps badly.

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#2 Posted by Killermovies (960 posts) - - Show Bio

Harry 8/10

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#3 Posted by DiarrheaRegatta (4414 posts) - - Show Bio

Harry stomps. Not a close match here.

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#4 Edited by AllStarSuperman (43018 posts) - - Show Bio

The guy who can take down Sandman and Venom vs the guy who couldn’t land a hit on a younger Spider-Man despite having backup.

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#5 Edited by JediXMan (42397 posts) - - Show Bio

Harry stomps. Too durable, too strong, too agile, better weapons, and probably faster.

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#6 Posted by IndomitableRegal (15658 posts) - - Show Bio

I concur with those above. Falcon might have slightly better maneuverability in the air, but that's about it. Harry wins.

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#7 Posted by KingOfWakanda (2372 posts) - - Show Bio

Harry wins the majority. I could see Sam taking a couple if he's able to shoot Harry but if this comes down to close quarters it will be a stomp for Harry.

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#8 Posted by The_Badman (2725 posts) - - Show Bio

^^^ Agreed.

Sam can shoot Harry from a distance and he has better aerial maneuverability. Harry would obviously stomp him in close quarters, but the odds of that happening isn't that much.

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#9 Posted by Thoromdil (1809 posts) - - Show Bio

wow this is a stomp. Harry was a good match to Tobey Spiderman pre-black suit. And the same Spiderman picked up and thrown a massively multiton steel wall like a chunk of firewood and stopped a speeding train.

Tobey Spiderman seems almost as strong as the guys like MCU Hulk (if we discount leviathan punch) so if Harry has stats anywhere near that level and on top of that he has an armor, gas weapons, hovering board, disintegration bombs, homing shuriken, grenades and much more... yeah IW Iron man would be a good matchup for this guy. Sam? Not so much.

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#10 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (4143 posts) - - Show Bio

Harry for sure. Falcon isn’t an advanced human like Harry is.

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#11 Posted by Rebake (3893 posts) - - Show Bio

Unless Harry is much faster than I remember, I don't see how he stomps as long as Falcon keeps his distance. Missiles and bullets will do damage if they land and Falcon has the feats to avoid everything Harry has.

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#12 Posted by depinhom (13506 posts) - - Show Bio

Harry

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#13 Posted by dirtytree332 (574 posts) - - Show Bio

Sam with absolute ease. He outclasses Harry in every relevant category.

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#14 Posted by Keenko (5186 posts) - - Show Bio

Harry gets shot.

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#15 Posted by FromBeyond (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

Sam with absolute ease. He outclasses Harry in every relevant category.

I mean he doesn't. If Harry gets hold of him Sam is unconscious with one punch. Strength gap is ridiculous.

having said that, Harry definitely isn't a bullet timer. He couldn't even dodge those goblin pumpkin-blade things. I say sam shoots him. RIP Harry. Again.

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#16 Posted by deactivated-5c830d4e319e6 (4952 posts) - - Show Bio

Sam.

Faster, better manuverbility & has the gear to put Harry down. It’s very unlikely that this end in melee range.

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#17 Posted by TitanConsumed (374 posts) - - Show Bio

Harry stomps badly.

@jedixman said:

Harry stomps. Too durable, too strong, too agile, better weapons, and probably faster.

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#18 Posted by war of light_2814 (2694 posts) - - Show Bio

From what I recall of Harry, Sam has superior air maneurability and he has Redwing. Harry stats advantage only matters if he can get close to Sam.

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#20 Posted by Helloman (28549 posts) - - Show Bio

Harry wins.

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#21 Posted by Rebake (3893 posts) - - Show Bio

@titanconsumed said:
@socajunkie said:

Harry stomps badly.

@jedixman said:

Harry stomps. Too durable, too strong, too agile, better weapons, and probably faster.

Too durable for Falcon's bullets and missiles? If this was cqc, then it would be a stomp, but Falcon can put up a fight in the open air. There's nothing Harry has that Falcon cannot dodge while flying. Harry was killed by piercing, so Falcon spraying bullets at him should be a threat. I'm not saying Falcon wins the majority, but saying Harry stomps is a bit too far when Falcon is better suited for aerial combat. Not only was Peter holding back against Harry, but he was ambushed and also distracted by a ring. Harry is not ambushing Falcon here and will have his full attention.

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#22 Posted by DeutschKurzhaar (1428 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Sam has more firepower

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#23 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7503 posts) - - Show Bio

@rebake said:

Too durable for Falcon's bullets and missiles?

His blade exploded on impact.

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If this was cqc, then it would be a stomp,

It would eventually become cqc.

Falcon can put up a fight in the open air.

Wouldn't have that chance when Harry makes it cqc.

There's nothing Harry has that Falcon cannot dodge while flying. Harry was killed by piercing, soFalcon spraying bullets at him should be a threat.

Even original goblin was bullet proof but still got pierced by those blades.

I'm not saying Falcon wins the majority, but saying Harry stomps is a bit too far when Falcon is better suited for aerial combat.

The problem is Harry would make it CQC he did it multiple times while in air.

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Not only was Peter holding back against Harry,

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but he was ambushed

It didn't make much difference.

and also distracted by a ring.

He wasn't distracted more then 20 seconds by the ring.

Harry is not ambushing Falcon here and will have his full attention.

He doesn't have too.

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#24 Posted by dirtytree332 (574 posts) - - Show Bio

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Sam with absolute ease. He outclasses Harry in every relevant category.

I mean he doesn't. If Harry gets hold of him Sam is unconscious with one punch. Strength gap is ridiculous.

having said that, Harry definitely isn't a bullet timer. He couldn't even dodge those goblin pumpkin-blade things. I say sam shoots him. RIP Harry. Again.

Exactly. Harry can't dodge the bullets, so he'll never get the chance to turn it into a melee fight.

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#25 Posted by GraniteVision (3157 posts) - - Show Bio

Goblin stomps.He is stronger than cap,much more durable and as fast as falcon

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#26 Posted by Kal-Elol (390 posts) - - Show Bio

Falcon may have a maneuverability advantage, but Goblin has every other, plus an arsenal of homing weapons that will keep Sam on the defensive until he is finally hit by one or Goblin closes the gap. Goblin 8.5/10

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#27 Edited by Rebake (3893 posts) - - Show Bio

@rebake said:

Too durable for Falcon's bullets and missiles?

His blade exploded on impact.

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If this was cqc, then it would be a stomp,

It would eventually become cqc.

Falcon can put up a fight in the open air.

Wouldn't have that chance when Harry makes it cqc.

There's nothing Harry has that Falcon cannot dodge while flying. Harry was killed by piercing, soFalcon spraying bullets at him should be a threat.

Even original goblin was bullet proof but still got pierced by those blades.

I'm not saying Falcon wins the majority, but saying Harry stomps is a bit too far when Falcon is better suited for aerial combat.

The problem is Harry would make it CQC he did it multiple times while in air.

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Not only was Peter holding back against Harry,

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but he was ambushed

It didn't make much difference.

and also distracted by a ring.

He wasn't distracted more then 20 seconds by the ring.

Harry is not ambushing Falcon here and will have his full attention.

He doesn't have too.

I totally forgot how inconsistent powers were in those movies........I just remember one pumpkin bomb messing up Harry's face. But Harry did get ko'd VERY easily after tanking that bomb. It's weird that hitting a web and falling a distance that wouldn't even ko MCU Cap did so much more damage. A "bat" was able to pierce Harry's armor though, so he's still not necessarily tanking bullets unless the plot demands he does. The armor Harry wore is different from what the original GG wore and even that armor I don't remember taking bullets. That gif does bother me as far as consistency goes (maybe you have an in-universe explanation for how he tanked that yet got hurt by less or the same thing later?). Falcon can also do the same trick Peter did by using Harry's projectiles against him. He has the speed and maneuverability to do it.

Rewatching the entire fight, I think Falcon is faster. Harry getting close enough for cqc won't be easy and Falcon shoots at point blank. I still don't see why Falcon can't put up a good fight. They are miles apart in physical stats, but not gear. And Falcon is more skilled than Harry. Falcon has missiles locked on to him and he wasn't touched. Three helicarriers fired at him and couldn't tag him. Harry's projectiles likely won't touch Falcon unless he's on the ground for some plot reason (that's why I brought up the ambush and Peter's distraction). This is a situation where Harry won't be closing the gap right away.