Raimi Green Goblin vs MCU Spider-Man

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Spider-Man vs Norman Osborn

Rules

  • Bloodlusted
  • No prep, no prior knowledge
  • A populated city street, starting 10 ft apart
  • Standard gear
  • Win by KO, death, or BFR

Who wins?

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#2  Edited By spideyandslendy

Norman............... for now

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#3  Edited By Vertigo-

Norman as of right now. This might change after Spiderman: Homecoming

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#5  Edited By Vertigo-
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@blackestnight93: Did he lift a jetway? Did he rip a plane in half? Did he beat Falcon and Bucky?

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This Spider-Man is borderline featless...I need more.

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@g2_ said:

@blackestnight93: Did he lift a jetway? Did he rip a plane in half? Did he beat Falcon and Bucky?

-.- Holland Spiderman right now, by feats is not as impressive as Raimi Spiderman. His spider sense is almost non-existant at this point (considering he got tagged by redwing very easily) and he just comes across as overall very inexperienced compared to his older counterpart.

When did Holland Spiderman rip a plane in half anyway? Hell, goblin was able to support a gondola lift packed with people with 1 outstretched arm and he wasn't straining at all, which is easily comparable to lifting the jetway, if not superior considering that Normans feat was done with 1 hand. This isn't even mentioning the obvious gear advantage that Norman has

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From what I saw at the end of the Homecoming trailer Spidey was holding together two halves of a ship. Could be wrong.

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Goblin. We haven't seen enough feats from Spidey yet.

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Spiderman smash puny Goblin!

From what I saw at the end of the Homecoming trailer Spidey was holding together two halves of a ship. Could be wrong.

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From what I saw at the end of the Homecoming trailer Spidey was holding together two halves of a ship. Could be wrong.

Just rewatched it, you can actually see his arms straighten out gradually. While he tried to,I don't think he quite had it

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@g2_ said:

@blackestnight93: Did he lift a jetway? Did he rip a plane in half? Did he beat Falcon and Bucky?

When did Holland Spiderman rip a plane in half anyway?

When did I say he did? I was asking you if Norman did it.

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@g2_ said:
@blackestnight93 said:
@g2_ said:

@blackestnight93: Did he lift a jetway? Did he rip a plane in half? Did he beat Falcon and Bucky?

When did Holland Spiderman rip a plane in half anyway?

When did I say he did? I was asking you if Norman did it.

I'm sure you've seen to movie. If you haven't, then he never ripped a jet in half. I don't know why you even asked me that in the first place tbh

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Gotta love these threads with characters lacking feats.

Pete doesn't have what it takes currently.

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#19  Edited By DSTREET45

@blackestnight93: The Roosevelt tram car that Goblin held is at least 11 tons when empty. I think at max capacity it can reach up to 20 tons.

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@blackestnight93: The Roosevelt tram car that Goblin held is at least 11 tons when empty. I think at max capacity it can reach up to 20 tons.

I tried to find a number, yet couldn't. Do you have a link to your source, by chance?

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@g2_: Did Gobling get defeated by Cap? No, he didn't because Goblin and Tobeyman were actually competent.

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Goblin wins. Stronger, faster and better

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Goblin. I see this changing after Homecoming though.

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Gotta love these threads with characters lacking feats.

Pete doesn't have what it takes currently.

Didn't you know you can accurately gauge a character's power from a few seconds in a trailer?

You have [more posts than me but] so much to learn about Comic Vine.

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@blackestnight93: I remember looking at a Pdf about the tram last year that gave me the figures. I'll try to look for it.

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@shiryu: Not always. Trailers lie. And often context is missing. As it stands Pete hasn't done anything in the trailer or Civil War that gives him a win.

As far as post amounts. I wouldn't worry about it. Most people with absurdly high post counts don't get them through thought provoking posts, but rather one word answers in various game threads and the like. As far as learning about CV, there is likely always something to learn, but I'm not some rube. I have a pretty good handle on things.

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@g2_: Spider Man shoud have tore Cap apart with his bare hands.But they have made him too stupid for this

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@blackestnight93: It was this

http://www.rioc.com/pdf/Tram_backgrounder11.24.10.pdf

but I don't think this source I used works anymore for some reason. Sorry.

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@dstreet45: Ah well. I'll just take your word for it.

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Goblin. Better in every way.

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#32 juiceboks  Moderator

Peter gets stabbed, shot, blown up, disintegrated or choked out.

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@zaied said:

Goblin. Better in every way.

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Norman wins as of now.

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#35 JediXMan  Moderator

For now, Norman.

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#37  Edited By mrmonster

Norman for now. But once Homecoming comes out, I'm sure Spider-Man will have more feats.

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@captain_batman_ftw: how does getting beat by the Captain make you incompetent?

You sure as hell are incompetent if you can stop cars driving at 40mph hour and react to small missiles, but get beaten by Cap.

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Peter gets stabbed, shot, blown up, disintegrated or choked out.

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This Spider-Man is borderline featless...I need more.

He's really not. Don't know why people keep saying this.

@g2_: Did Gobling get defeated by Cap? No, he didn't because Goblin and Tobeyman were actually competent.

Or because...y'know...Cap wasn't in that movie?

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@mk39: I think you took that too literal. The point of that was to showcase MCU Spiderman's incompetence

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#43  Edited By MK39

@captain_batman_ftw said:

I think you took that too literal.

No, I got what you were going for, but it's still a bizarre way to phrase it.

The point of that was to showcase MCU Spiderman's incompetence

When specifically? Why is this not a feat for Cap? Why is every instance of Cap winning a fight a low showing for his opponent and not a feat for Cap? Because that sure is how it seems to work around here.

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Is there a Respect Thread for Raimi Green Goblin or is he still in need of one?

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@mk39: Because Spiderman is physically superior to Cap. That's why it's a low showing for him. You can count it as as high showing for Cap if you want to, but it's no different from a 20 year old man failing to use his physical superiority against a 15 year old due to incompetence. The stat difference is clear and it's there. Unless you think Cap physically overpowered a 100 tonner now

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#46  Edited By MK39

@captain_batman_ftw said:

Because Spiderman is physically superior to Cap. That's why it's a low showing for him.

The exact same line of reasoning could be used to argue that it's a feat for Cap. You need to provide more of an argument than that.

You can count it as as high showing for Cap if you want to

I will actually. Not because I want to, but because it makes more sense than every other conceivable option.

but it's no different from a 20 year old man failing to use his physical superiority against a 15 year old due to incompetence.

It's quite different actually. If your analogy compares the 15-year old to be an enhanced super-soldier with wartime experience, martial arts training, and leadership of a superhero team under his belt while the 20-year old's maturity is cut back 5-years, then the analogy isn't very useful.

The stat difference is clear and it's there. Unless you think Cap physically overpowered a 100 tonner now

No, I don't because that's not what happened. Cap won because of his skill/experience advantage. Spiderman does not need to be incompetent to lose to someone significantly more competent.

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@captain_batman_ftw:

How does being beaten by Cap make him incompetent? I agree he's no Tobey my any means but Cap is held to a pretty consistently high standard as a fighter in the MCU so I'm legitimately curious.

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@captain_batman_ftw: @mk39: @buildhare: I'm glad this has been brought to attention

Ever since his conception Cap has cranked out impressive feat after impressive feat of skill, strength, speed, durability, and tactics.

He's never been shown to have a limit yet as he's never been unable to lift something he's tried to

He has fought Loki, Ultron, Red Skull, WS, Crossbones, and Tony... All superhumans (or with Superhuman ability granting gear)

It seems to me people just place Cap where they think he should be...rather than the where he is... Because so far he's turning up to be one of the most impressive street level CBM characters so far and he's not finished yet

His only low showing (and really it isn't a low showing) is Batroc and we don't even know anything about him

Citing him losing to Cap doesn't bring down Holland at all for me... However he still lacks feats to be as effective as the other two (not nearly as much as people are saying)

Ultimate Cap grappled with Spiderman didn't he? If he's the basis for MCU Caps powers I would say he's right where he should be...

So all in all I would say Spiders got this... If there's any weak link in this thread it's Dehaan goblin... IMO