Achilles is faster. He was slaughtering his enemies even when surrounded, managed to one-shot Boagrius before he could react, he even blocked an arrow with his shield without looking. He was able to kill a horseman by throwing a spear and hitting him in the neck from this distance. His stamina is also insane.
Achilles easily. Ragnar is portrayed in a totally realistic way combat-wise, he is above average but not even "epic" from that point of view, it's his wits and leadership that make him heroic. Achilles is flat out a peak human unstoppable warmachine
But isn't Achilles invincible besides his Achilles?
A child asked Achilles the same thing at the opening of the film, and he replied that if he were truly invincible, he wouldn't bother wearing armor or carrying a shield.
Achilles is a better fighter with better equipment.
12th century steel vs bronze? And Ragnar knows well how to fight against spears. It's just that he is fighting movie Achilles, and movie Achilles' battle awareness is effin (am I allowed to say that?) ridiculous. Achilles wins...but against just about any other similar matchup, Ragnar or Rollo would likely win. Vikings looks kinda base, but it is actually VERY good fighting. Any one else, I would probably make an argument for Ragnar. For example, I think he would beat Hector. But it's just...Achilles is stupid hard to debate against, if I'm just being honest.
Achilles is a better fighter with better equipment.
12th century steel vs bronze? And Ragnar knows well how to fight against spears. It's just that he is fighting movie Achilles, and movie Achilles' battle awareness is effin (am I allowed to say that?) ridiculous. Achilles wins...but against just about any other similar matchup, Ragnar or Rollo would likely win. Vikings looks kinda base, but it is actually VERY good fighting. Any one else, I would probably make an argument for Ragnar. For example, I think he would beat Hector. But it's just...Achilles is stupid hard to debate against, if I'm just being honest.
They were not using bronze in that movie. You see how Hector blocks the tip of Achilles sword with his heavy shield? He gets pushed back 6 metres away and is visibly shaken. No Bronze weapon would survive that. Either that or he is using Haephestos weapons, which his mother got for him. (That's not in the movie)
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Movie Achilles is basically Captain America in ancient Greece. A supersoldier.
Book Achilles is much stronger. He was that powerful that they had to add a weakness. We all know that Supermans Achilles heel is Kryponite.
Ah here is his mother receiving his magical weapons. (Non canon) Thetis Receiving the Weapons of Achilles from Hephaestus is a 1630-32 painting by the Flemish painter Anthony van Dyck.
@azrael1973: According to the script, Bronze was being used.
Sure, everything else would be a anachronism. But it's not what we see. A Bronze sword would be broken if used with that force. The ancient greece wouldn't use that sword dance they show on the movie either. Actually the historical accuracy in the movie is a disaster.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0332452/goofs
The main weapon used by foot soldiers in this movie is the pike. The earliest recorded large scale use of pike was started by Philip II of Macedon, Alexander The Great's father around 330 BC. These soldiers came to be known as the Macedonian phalanx. Trojan war was fought around 1260 BC.
Achilles is a better fighter with better equipment.
12th century steel vs bronze? And Ragnar knows well how to fight against spears. It's just that he is fighting movie Achilles, and movie Achilles' battle awareness is effin (am I allowed to say that?) ridiculous. Achilles wins...but against just about any other similar matchup, Ragnar or Rollo would likely win. Vikings looks kinda base, but it is actually VERY good fighting. Any one else, I would probably make an argument for Ragnar. For example, I think he would beat Hector. But it's just...Achilles is stupid hard to debate against, if I'm just being honest.
They were not using bronze in that movie. You see how Hector blocks the tip of Achilles sword with his heavy shield? He gets pushed back 6 metres away and is visibly shaken. No Bronze weapon would survive that. Either that or he is using Haephestos weapons, which his mother got for him. (That's not in the movie)
I disagree. Weapon's grade bronze is on par with mild steel. Yes it will bend eventually, not flex, and when it does fail it is more likely to shatter, and no it will not hold the same edge as really well made mild steel; but it isn't outclassed in performance. It is heavier, and can break, presenting an advantage to steel, but peak performing bronze vs peak steel of the Viking era would not be that disimilar. Bronze didn't fall out of use because iron was ultimately superior. It fell out of use because access to tin was cut off. Steel would not have any real large advantages over bronze until around the 15 century maybe.
So yeah, a Bronze sword would survive that. It just wouldn't survive it it as repeatedly as steel. It far outperforms iron/low grade steel though.
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Movie Achilles is basically Captain America in ancient Greece. A supersoldier.
I wouldn't say that. He is just so far ahead of his contemporaries that it isn't fair.
Book Achilles is much stronger. He was that powerful that they had to add a weakness. We all know that Supermans Achilles heel is Kryponite.
Ah here is his mother receiving his magical weapons. (Non canon) Thetis Receiving the Weapons of Achilles from Hephaestus is a 1630-32 painting by the Flemish painter Anthony van Dyck.
Mythical Achilles is irrelevant. Tis is Achilles from the movie troy vs Ragnar.
Ragnar is a good fighter too. Achilles is prettier, but functionally, Ragnar is just as good, and probably even more efficient. It's just that Achilles seems to be supernaturally aware of what's going on around him when he is fighting. He is stupid good at that, and so he likely wins due to that and physicals. But Ragnar has plenty of oppurtunities to end this as well, and his shield work is as good as Achille's in a head to head.
Achilles is a better fighter with better equipment.
12th century steel vs bronze? And Ragnar knows well how to fight against spears. It's just that he is fighting movie Achilles, and movie Achilles' battle awareness is effin (am I allowed to say that?) ridiculous. Achilles wins...but against just about any other similar matchup, Ragnar or Rollo would likely win. Vikings looks kinda base, but it is actually VERY good fighting. Any one else, I would probably make an argument for Ragnar. For example, I think he would beat Hector. But it's just...Achilles is stupid hard to debate against, if I'm just being honest.
They were not using bronze in that movie. You see how Hector blocks the tip of Achilles sword with his heavy shield? He gets pushed back 6 metres away and is visibly shaken. No Bronze weapon would survive that. Either that or he is using Haephestos weapons, which his mother got for him. (That's not in the movie)
I disagree. Weapon's grade bronze is on par with mild steel. Yes it will bend eventually, not flex, and when it does fail it is more likely to shatter, and no it will not hold the same edge as really well made mild steel; but it isn't outclassed in performance. It is heavier, and can break, presenting an advantage to steel, but peak performing bronze vs peak steel of the Viking era would not be that disimilar. Bronze didn't fall out of use because iron was ultimately superior. It fell out of use because access to tin was cut off. Steel would not have any real large advantages over bronze until around the 15 century maybe.
So yeah, a Bronze sword would survive that. It just wouldn't survive it it as repeatedly as steel. It far outperforms iron/low grade steel though.
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Movie Achilles is basically Captain America in ancient Greece. A supersoldier.
I wouldn't say that. He is just so far ahead of his contemporaries that it isn't fair.
Book Achilles is much stronger. He was that powerful that they had to add a weakness. We all know that Supermans Achilles heel is Kryponite.
Ah here is his mother receiving his magical weapons. (Non canon) Thetis Receiving the Weapons of Achilles from Hephaestus is a 1630-32 painting by the Flemish painter Anthony van Dyck.
Mythical Achilles is irrelevant. Tis is Achilles from the movie troy vs Ragnar.
Ragnar is a good fighter too. Achilles is prettier, but functionally, Ragnar is just as good, and probably even more efficient. It's just that Achilles seems to be supernaturally aware of what's going on around him when he is fighting. He is stupid good at that, and so he likely wins due to that and physicals. But Ragnar has plenty of oppurtunities to end this as well, and his shield work is as good as Achille's in a head to head.
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Sorry that's not even nearly as efficient. Not even close, some of the guys he fought aren't even dead.
Ragnar has 0% chance to win against Achilles. In that Video he was pushed down by some random warrior, and Rollo saved his ass.
But Vikings is much more realistic. Achilles is a like some ancient version of Captain America or Ozymandias (without his intellect)
Compare the Ragnar scene to the kill count in front of the temple. That's a demigod among men.
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