@joviolma: Nope combat and travel speeds are two different stats. And Goku uses Kinto because it's faster that way, plot didn't needed Goku to use it, Goku needed it to move faster. What was shown trumps fan calcs that Toriyama doesn't care about.
Goku doesn't need clear mind, he blitzed Kami who is faster than Popo.
Travel speed again, ignored.
Dyspo was never said to be only light speed. All was said is that he surpassed speed of sound and light in past battles. Nice try tho.
Yes and Madara obviously doesn't swing his head at light speed, does he? And you actually proved yourself it's a hyperbole. Something being able to "cut anything" is a obvious one.
Combat speed and travel speed is almost the same, Goku uses Kinton because his want, he literally swing to the other side of the world in only 24 hours.
He blitz Kami because Mr Popo casual Speed possibly is Mach 4 or 5, be faster than a lightning is a technique not real speed, he can't even see Popo moving when he uses his FTLightning technique.
Actually according to Junk Tistory a south korean blog publishing who collected official information from dragon ball super and even predict titles and synopses about future episodes, Dyspo is only Light Speed, he only surpass light speed for a instant and everyone only fight against him using this technique because according to Goku he fighting style is very linear.
Meh, Madara don't need swing his head to cut Naruto, actually only shoots in Naruto's head would cut him, the Raikiri only touches in enourmous rocks and cut them perfectly, Databook:''The Raikiri can cut through anything'' Anime and manga: The Raikiri can in fact cut through anything'', Databook:''The Fang of Light can cut anything'' Anime and Manga:'' The Fang of Light cut a Truth Seeking Ball Bat, the Truth Seeking Balls can destroy everything in a Molecular/Atomic Level.
So is not my fault if you don't believe in the databook, actually, Madara is clearly FTL, he could have dodged Night Guy, a technique who bend space, this before he absorbs the God Tree, the speed needed to bend space is 90% or a FTL speed, but was surprised when he see that the technique was bending space and when he notices was too late.
Not mention that Momoshiki and Kinshiki literally travel between planets, the novel have already confirmed that Momoshiki invaded a planet, destroy the entire world and harvest the chakra fruit from there, and they do this all the time, Although they can clearly teleport this is unlikely, for go to a location you need to know where you are going, or feel the persons chakra(that world don't have chakra, Momoshiki only found the god tree, that's what the Otsutsuki clan does, search for chakra trees in worlds) and the space time techniques only take persons to Dimensions, that world is clearly described in the novel as a planet with russet-coloured terrain, bathed in the synchrotron radiation of a dying red sun, which produces its brilliant auroras, so obviously was in some region of space.
Since Sasuke blitzed him and Naruto during their final battle,Does that mean his chidori and susanoo are mftl?
He can be just 1 Km faster than Madara, don't needed necessarily be MFTL.
But Madara couldn't react and was casually cut in half? then Susanoo blitzed the Kurama Avatar?
@joviolma: Nope combat and travel speeds are two different stats. And Goku uses Kinto because it's faster that way, plot didn't needed Goku to use it, Goku needed it to move faster. What was shown trumps fan calcs that Toriyama doesn't care about.
Goku doesn't need clear mind, he blitzed Kami who is faster than Popo.
Travel speed again, ignored.
Dyspo was never said to be only light speed. All was said is that he surpassed speed of sound and light in past battles. Nice try tho.
Yes and Madara obviously doesn't swing his head at light speed, does he? And you actually proved yourself it's a hyperbole. Something being able to "cut anything" is a obvious one.
Combat speed and travel speed is almost the same, Goku uses Kinton because his want, he literally swing to the other side of the world in only 24 hours.
He blitz Kami because Mr Popo casual Speed possibly is Mach 4 or 5, be faster than a lightning is a technique not real speed, he can't even see Popo moving when he uses his FTLightning technique.
Actually according to Junk Tistory a south korean blog publishing who collected official information from dragon ball super and even predict titles and synopses about future episodes, Dyspo is only Light Speed, he only surpass light speed for a instant and everyone only fight against him using this technique because according to Goku he fighting style is very linear.
Meh, Madara don't need swing his head to cut Naruto, actually only shoots in Naruto's head would cut him, the Raikiri only touches in enourmous rocks and cut them perfectly, Databook:''The Raikiri can cut through anything'' Anime and manga: The Raikiri can in fact cut through anything'', Databook:''The Fang of Light can cut anything'' Anime and Manga:'' The Fang of Light cut a Truth Seeking Ball Bat, the Truth Seeking Balls can destroy everything in a Molecular/Atomic Level.
So is not my fault if you don't believe in the databook, actually, Madara is clearly FTL, he could have dodged Night Guy, a technique who bend space, this before he absorbs the God Tree, the speed needed to bend space is 90% or a FTL speed, but was surprised when he see that the technique was bending space and when he notices was too late.
Not mention that Momoshiki and Kinshiki literally travel between planets, the novel have already confirmed that Momoshiki invaded a planet, destroy the entire world and harvest the chakra fruit from there, and they do this all the time, Although they can clearly teleport this is unlikely, for go to a location you need to know where you are going, or feel the persons chakra(that world don't have chakra, Momoshiki only found the god tree, that's what the Otsutsuki clan does, search for chakra trees in worlds) and the space time techniques only take persons to Dimensions, that world is clearly described in the novel as a planet with russet-coloured terrain, bathed in the synchrotron radiation of a dying red sun, which produces its brilliant auroras, so obviously was in some region of space.
Since Sasuke blitzed him and Naruto during their final battle,Does that mean his chidori and susanoo are mftl?
He can be just 1 Km faster than Madara, don't needed necessarily be MFTL.
But Madara couldn't react and was casually cut in half? then Susanoo blitzed the Kurama Avatar?
Yes, Sasuke can be faster or Madara was just impressed by his speed and let Sasuke cutting him since he was Immortal and have nothing to fear, so he can be like:'' Damn, Sasuke is fast, he is very close, but whatever, I need the other Rinnegan, don't have time for him'' then sasuke cut him and he uses Kamui.
and about the Susanoo, come on, Sasuke literally absorbs the Chakra of all the Tailed Beasts for his Susanoo, obviously that would make him very fast.
@joviolma: Dyspo surpassed light and sound, that's all that it says. It means nothing in regards to other characters. We know for a fact that early Z characters were already light speed if not FTL.
@joviolma: Dyspo surpassed light and sound, that's all that it says. It means nothing in regards to other characters. We know for a fact that early Z characters were already light speed if not FTL.
They are Light speed and FTL today in super, that is clearly, in no moment I denied this, I'm just saying that according to Jump Tistory, a south korean blog that literally give us synopsis, titles and informations about characters and episode already confirmed that Dyspo combat speed is only Light speed, he can just be faster than light using his technique named Light Bullet(Named by the episodes description linked by twimg) which increases his speed thousands of times for a instant, but his fighting style is linear, that's why he can clearly be stopped easily, and his combat speed was in PAR with Hit.
Please tell me how did plot forced Goku to use Kinto? I give you a hint: it was faster that way. Gohan who is faster is mach 2.5, you are gonna ignore that too? Manga always overwrite fancalcs, sorry.
That's not reaction not is it combat showing like dodging or dashing. It was never supposed to be taken as a speed feat but an endurance one.
Tao reacted and jumped on his pillar which he was atleast 2 times faster than pillar. Thats what combat speed is. You get it now?
lol
You need to prove that Kishimoto was using our laws of physics when writing manga and there is tons of stuff that contradicts that statement.
1. Some people may say to the contrary, but I think most people generally accept that light speed movement was achieved at the earliest around the beginning of Z.
2. And why is that? There's plenty of kid Goku feats that are borderline light speed, if not relativistic, and we're now supposed to believe he didn't reach that mark after the time skip?
Please tell me how did plot forced Goku to use Kinto? I give you a hint: it was faster that way. Gohan who is faster is mach 2.5, you are gonna ignore that too? Manga always overwrite fancalcs, sorry.
That's not reaction not is it combat showing like dodging or dashing. It was never supposed to be taken as a speed feat but an endurance one.
Tao reacted and jumped on his pillar which he was atleast 2 times faster than pillar. Thats what combat speed is. You get it now?
lol
You need to prove that Kishimoto was using our laws of physics when writing manga and there is tons of stuff that contradicts that statement.
Prove they flew there on their own then.
Power levels are bullshit, Vegeta can one shot a guy with 18.000 PL when he have 24.000, but Goku Kaioken 4X can't kill Vegeta easily, not even Oozaru Vegeta with 180.000 can kill a guy with 8000 PL, again Power levels are bullshit.
Well, would not be funny if Goku reach Earth and simply in one second goes to the Battlefield, Toriyama's just wanted to kill Piccolo for make the history more dramatic and make the Namek Saga, simply, and fan calc ? HAHAHAHAHHA, Hundreds and Hundreds of persons have made this and is the same conclusion, what you think is Toriyama thinking, I gonna make Goku be slower than Kinton, obviously not, just for cross 1.000.000 KM in 28 hours is a prove that he is Mach 30, and he moves so fast that Nappa can't even seen him.
By your logic since you say that Kishi is not thinking about Physics when he makes about Guy's speed most likely Toriyama are not even thinking when he draws Tao jumps in his Pillar.
Black Zetsu already confirmed that Tobi moves at Light Speed
Well, there are lots of times that they are literally looking for someone coming from the sky, Toneri saw 2 points of light coming to the Earth, Kaguya looking to the Sky every night fearing Momoshiki and Kinshiki arrive, and the fact that the Otsutsuki clan can invade planets to cultivate chakra, they search for chakra fruits in planets, simple this, and for now, it is unlikely that they can teleport, they would arrive in Earth in 1 day, but Boruto manga and anime let very clearly that they are taking days.
1. Some people may say to the contrary, but I think most people generally accept that light speed movement was achieved at the earliest around the beginning of Z.
2. And why is that? There's plenty of kid Goku feats that are borderline light speed, if not relativistic, and we're now supposed to believe he didn't reach that mark after the time skip?
1- No one in DBZ is relativistic, combat speed is at least 4 or 5 times faster than travel speed.
2- Kid Goku feats are just gag feats, Toriyama let this very clear almost every time in the manga, like him reaching the moon in 3 minutes with his staff, but taking 6 months to cross 1.000.000 KM in Z series, Toriyama most likely do this in Dragon Ball classic series because of Arale, a gag character from another manga drawn by him, she even appears in Super.
There is no feat for Kid Goku to be Relativistic, Tien Solar Flare Goku simply dodged before he uses, he already have seen the technique before, Goku dodging lasers, are not even lasers, the RRB Army can make androids use Unlimited Ki with technology , so obviously the Robots use Ki either.
1. Some people may say to the contrary, but I think most people generally accept that light speed movement was achieved at the earliest around the beginning of Z.
It doesn't matter what they say, it isn't a fact. It is an opinion held by many, but that doesn't make it a fact.
2. And why is that? There's plenty of kid Goku feats that are borderline light speed, if not relativistic, and we're now supposed to believe he didn't reach that mark after the time skip?
No there are non. I assume you are referring to the dodging laser, dodging solar flare, being faster than lightning, and catching dragon ball feats? I have debunked all of those.
It took Goku 6 months to travel snake way which is 1 million km his first time. The second time it took him a day which calced him at mach 30. So his full combat speed would be above that, but still not close to light speed. And don't say that it is just travel speed because If Goku could really move at those speed just his momentum should of sent him across snake way. For example Saitama's moon jump feat. Saitama would of only had to of jumped a couple times to cross snake way and Saitama doesn't even have any feats putting him at light speed.
Being light speed is ridiculously fast. Like I've pointed out earlier, Quicksilver from X-man Apocalypse was so fast it seemed like time was pretty much frozen and he saved hundreds of people from a mansion being blown up before they even realized it and that feat was only calced at around mach 118. Not being light speed isn't bad, dragon ball characters just aren't presented as being that fast for most of the manga.
Assuming Sasuke wont get one shot at beginning of the fight he takes slight majority here. Hes lot smarter, arguably faster and he has Susanoo and big hax. Amaterasu might give him the win aswell. DB characters generally have very bad heat resistance feats. SSJ Goku was afraid of lava.
Raditz is not a planet buster unless confirmed. Hes definetly moon+ level in anycase. Sasuke wins 6/10.
-Amaterasu can be dispelled by releasing his own aura (Naruto chapter 697, page 6)
-Sasuke is slower and weaker than raditz.
Hmmm.... according to the feats, raditz should win this easily but, according to naruto fans, Sasuke wins.... So i guess sasuke wins.
Oh oh. We have a naruto hater over here
I'm not a naruto hater, i'll have you know that i have over 40 GB of p*rn dedicated to naruto (Parodies, Hent*i, flash games, CG pictures...etc) And you, the so-called naruto fan? How many gb of Naruto p**n do you have on your computer?
-Amaterasu can be dispelled by releasing his own aura (Naruto chapter 697, page 6)
-Sasuke is slower and weaker than raditz.
Hmmm.... according to the feats, raditz should win this easily but, according to naruto fans, Sasuke wins.... So i guess sasuke wins.
I agree, Genjutsu won't work in Raditz
I don't see Raditz indure amaterasu, actually just use amaterasu is enough to kill him, in Pain , I really doubt that Raditz would release his aura with a fire hot as the sun and hell.
Slower ? Hahahahahahha, Raditz is slower than Goku Saiyan Saga, he speed in Saiyan Saga was Mach 30 when he have 8000 PL and combat speed is at least 4 times faster than the travel speed, Raditz is at least Mach 7 or 8 in Travel speed and Mach 28-34 in combat, Sasuke stomps in any way, he is faster than Tobi, which Black Zetsu confirmed to be Light Speed, he can blitz Naruto who dodged the Light speed beam in point blank, the moon feat from dbz is just plot, AT most likely don't know the massive distance between earth and moon, if he knew, Goku would cross the snake in a second, and Krillin and Gohan vs Guldo already proved that the Travel speed is almost the same as the Ki blast speed, they fire a beam that was reaching Guldo, and he stops time 5 seconds after they fire their beams, but in the last second, they already move and was in almost the same point as their beams, Travel speed > or = Ki Blast speed .Not mention that Piccolo who destroy the moon with a casual blast, was impressed by a big hole made by Nappa with a casual Ki blast too, so it's very likely that the moon in dbz is very easy to destroy, even MK said that he was unable to destroy the RRB Army, KP best was destroy a city and everyone was thinking that was impossible to beat him.
Weaker ? Daheck man, the frogs from Mount Myoboku by simple absorbing natural energy from the mountain are able to lift hundreds of tons, the Juuni natural energy is the same as the hole planet, and the Juubi Jinchuuriki is even stronger, Naruto and Sasuke survive punches the Juubi Jinchuuriki and Kaguya who was said to be far stronger than Juubi Madara, while this, what was Raditz best physical strength ? Hit already proved that Speed and Strength are enough to beat any DBZ character, Raditz is durable against Ki blasts, but I can see Hit casually kill him with one punch.
If Yajirobe sword can cut vegeta 2 times, the Chidori would cut Raditz's head before he even notice, this battle is a complete mismatch, Naruto can take a Multi continental explosion without a scratch, can endure a Country sized explosion in the moon and be completely unharmed, Raditz can't do absolutely nothing against him.
-Amaterasu can be dispelled by releasing his own aura (Naruto chapter 697, page 6)
-Sasuke is slower and weaker than raditz.
Hmmm.... according to the feats, raditz should win this easily but, according to naruto fans, Sasuke wins.... So i guess sasuke wins.
Oh oh. We have a naruto hater over here
I'm not a naruto hater, i'll have you know that i have over 40 GB of p*rn dedicated to naruto (Parodies, Hent*i, flash games, CG pictures...etc) And you, the so-called naruto fan? How many gb of Naruto p**n do you have on your computer?
-Amaterasu can be dispelled by releasing his own aura (Naruto chapter 697, page 6)
-Sasuke is slower and weaker than raditz.
Hmmm.... according to the feats, raditz should win this easily but, according to naruto fans, Sasuke wins.... So i guess sasuke wins.
Oh oh. We have a naruto hater over here
I'm not a naruto hater, i'll have you know that i have over 40 GB of p*rn dedicated to naruto (Parodies, Hent*i, flash games, CG pictures...etc) And you, the so-called naruto fan? How many gb of Naruto p**n do you have on your computer?
Yup. Genjutsu, which could be divided into: mind control - fake reality/illusions - body paralyzed.
Sasuke could also insta-teleport Raditz face in front of his Chidori with Amenotejikara. . . or insta-teleport himself behind him. You can figure out the rest. Susanoo, Kagutsuchi or the Six Paths powers aren't needed.
Raditz's best destructive feat is a mountain range.
Then entire Saint Seiya verse is building to village buster at best with chronos in non canon spin off manga only being able to crack away entire universe which is only (anime) buuhan level feat and everyone else solos SS in early DBS and so on. lol ss claiming hades is on omnipotent level when there are still zeus, appolo and chronos beyond him who are not even.
Raditz's best destructive feat is a mountain range.
Then entire Saint Seiya verse is building to village buster at best with chronos in non canon spin off manga only being able to crack away entire universe which is only (anime) buuhan level feat and everyone else solos SS in early DBS and so on. lol ss claiming hades is on omnipotent level when there are still zeus, appolo and chronos beyond him who are not even.
Saint Seiya's characters can focus their attacks in a single point, don't use other anime rules in dragon ball, in dragon ball if you are 3600 times stronger than a human you can blow up a planet.
If Dyspo, with his insane speed, can only reach and surpass lightspeed using a supermove and a supermode, how would Raditz (who's comparably a turtle) keep up with Sasuke, whose not that much slower than that?
No there are non. I assume you are referring to the dodging laser, dodging solar flare, being faster than lightning, and catching dragon ball feats? I have debunked all of those.
so what.
It took Goku 6 months to travel snake way which is 1 million km his first time.
ignoring the fact that he was taking a break, resting for mounths, sleeping on a car,walking, talking to demons, falling into hell, who knows, he may have done a lot of things he was not going all out.
The second time it took him a day which calced him at mach 30.
while holding back his powers, he was saving them to fight nappa in fact if you watch the show goku took the flying nembus instead of flying, that is how much he was saving his powers.
So his full combat speed would be above that, but still not close to light speed.
why is that?
And don't say that it is just travel speed because If Goku could really move at those speed just his momentum should of sent him across snake way.
wrong, if you can controll your speed everything becomes a slowmotion, decreasing the momentum, that is normal to them so the momentum didn't send him across snake way, going by your own logic quick silver after moving at sound speed shouldn't have been able to stop imidietly, the momentum should have sent him across the buldings, even the speed of sound is enough to do that, you don't need lightspeed.
For example Saitama's moon jump feat. Saitama would of only had to of jumped a couple times to cross snake way and Saitama doesn't even have any feats putting him at light speed.
why bring saitama to this debatte.
Being light speed is ridiculously fast. Like I've pointed out earlier, Quicksilver from X-man Apocalypse was so fast it seemed like time was pretty much frozen and he saved hundreds of people from a mansion being blown up before they even realized it and that feat was only calced at around mach 118.
being faster than lightning alone, you can do many things, the things you mentioned can be done by lightning speed alone.
Not being light speed isn't bad, dragon ball characters just aren't presented as being that fast for most of the manga.
i mach is so fast to you why do you think flash is ftl. so flash is slower than light in your logic?
ignoring the fact that he was taking a break, resting for mounths, sleeping on a car,walking, talking to demons, falling into hell, who knows, he may have done a lot of things he was not going all out.
You missed the point. Anyone FTL would of reached the end of 1 million km in less than a minute.
while holding back his powers, he was saving them to fight nappa in fact if you watch the show goku took the flying nembus instead of flying, that is how much he was saving his powers.
I never said that was his max speed.
why is that?
Feats and statements showing they aren't close to lightspeed.
wrong, if you can controll your speed everything becomes a slowmotion, decreasing the momentum, that is normal to them so the momentum didn't send him across snake way,
Seeing everything in slow motion wouldn't change your momentum at all. Obviously Goku can control his momentum, but I'm saying why would he want to if it would get him there in seconds?
going by your own logic quick silver after moving at sound speed shouldn't have been able to stop imidietly, the momentum should have sent him across the buldings, even the speed of sound is enough to do that, you don't need lightspeed.
Again you missed the point. Both Quicksilver and Goku can control their momentum. I'm talking about the people who are saying Goku's travel speed is slower than his combat speed, but if Goku's combat speed was FTL his travel speed would also be close to light speed as a simple jump would send him flying at close to light speeds just from the momentum (if he wanted to let the momentum carry him)
why bring saitama to this debatte.
Because if Goku is even close to as fast or strong as he was he should also be able to make jumps like that. If Saitama, who isn't even light speed (as far as we know) can cross snake way in a few seconds without even flying, what makes you think Goku, who took months the first time and a day the second time would be FTL?
i mach is so fast to you why do you think flash is ftl. so flash is slower than light in your logic?
I'm not sure what you are saying here. You realize Flash as feats that say he could possibly even beat god tiers in DBS right? Why are you even comparing him to dragon ball characters? He is so fast him running around the Earth turned back time...
You missed the point. Anyone FTL would of reached the end of 1 million km in less than a minute.
1 milion km, legend said that, it was only said by an unknown demon which makes his statment unrelible source specially since he siad "around" and "legend", in fact in the dbz picture, it was drawn to be the size of the quadrent of the universe. going by the legend, the legend said that the super saiyans were big golden oozarus and it turned out to be false.
I never said that was his max speed.
then why bother mention it, if goku wasn't going all out.
Feats and statements showing they aren't close to lightspeed.
feats proves that they are ftl even in seiyan saga, statements said that flash can't go ftl. statments said that a much slower chracter from db(popo) is faster than lightning. and statment said that someone like kami was a god(popo compared to kami, he was a rat), popo is a rat compared to kami. that is alredy near lightspeed.
Seeing everything in slow motion wouldn't change your momentum at all.
it dosen't,, i didn't actually meant that, i meant that you can controll your momentum if you can see everything in slowmotion. it becomes normal to you.
Obviously Goku can control his momentum, but I'm saying why would he want to if it would get him there in seconds?
why did zamasu wished for gokus body when obviously he could have wished for many things, why didn't he ask zuno relevant questions instead, why didn't the kais killed frieza? obviously many things were done in the series that dosen't make any sense but that is because akira wanted to keep the series going, why did you ask? because if goku were to reach there in seconds there wouldn't be a point for him to write seiyan saga,it was only done to keep us exited waiting for goku.
Because if Goku is even close to as fast or strong as he was he should also be able to make jumps like that.
do you remember the time goku crossed the nemek in a second, or do you wan't goku to jump from the moon to earth to be ftl?
if you can accept that(the thing about saitama) then why is it hard for you to acceppt the fact that their blasts could reach the moon in mear seconds and that is what raditz was dodging.
also that is something he could but something he didn't even try, even as a kid, he could easily jump way above the clouds. if he wants as an adult where he is hundreds of times stronger can easily jump from a weaker gravity to a smaller, all he has to do is jump from weaker gravity to earths gravitetional field, then the gravity will finish the job. think you missed the more impressive feat about that.
If Saitama, who isn't even light speed (as far as we know) can cross snake way in a few seconds without even flying,
first off, the authors intension to make saitama jump was not a speed feat, the authors intension was because of the fact that the gravity in the moon, is much weaker which is why he managed to jump. that is what the author was trying to say. hulk can also jump from planet to planet.
what makes you think Goku, who took months the first time
he fall, returned, sleept.many things he did.
and a day the second time would be FTL?'
what makes you think, flash who faild to outrunn a laser is ftl. also the length of the snakeway is not specifc i have alredy explained that it was a demon who stated that, a demon who never even acrossed it, a demon who said "a legend", a demon who is not a relible source, a demon who never appeared after that. is that what you take canon?
I'm not sure what you are saying here.
you should probably read it properly then.
You realize Flash as feats that say he could possibly even beat god tiers in DBS right?
no he dosen't,the statments say that he is only ftl that is all. but in feat he is mftl, also in feat god tiers are much much ftl(mftl).
Why are you even comparing him to dragon ball characters?
what ? are you kiding me?they would easily keep up with him, seriously according to your logic, in comics they never said flash is mftl, they only said he is ftl. even using his best speed, he would not blitz or he is not even close as fast as top tiers like whis and the angles. if you think he is faster than current dbs top tiers, then tell me how?mention his absolut best feat?just tlking wont help!
cause he stated him self(pre crisis flash) that he can't go that fast. statments say that he is only lightspeed. the way i see it, you are only lowballing them using that one statement made for dyspo in dbs, ignoring many lightspeed feats way before(saying that it was never stated to be that way) but using that logic, 99% of flash' impressive feats were only calculated and not stated or done, all he ever said is him being ftl not anything above, he never said he is mtftl, he only said he is ftl though his feats are mftl. So according to your logic if you say that dbz characters are only ftl based on one single statement then so is flash, he stated multiple times that he can go ftl but never said mftl. i said his feats proves that he is but not the statments, so i don't see flash being faster than anyone in dbs unless you use his feats and using feats then, raditz was a clear ftl character(in reaction).
He is so fast him running around the Earth turned back time...
let me use your reasonings agonist you, did they ever say that he went ftl in that scan? no. using that logic, goku is so fast he crossed an entire planet before frieza could throw his punch. frieza someone who is also ftl in reaction.
and when you go to god tiers like whis, they could cross 10 universes in less than a day. that is like 10 milion lightyears in second.
what ? are you kiding me?they would easily keep up with him, seriously according to your logic, in comics they never said flash and when you go to god tiers like whis, they could cross 10 universes in less than a day. that is like 10 milion lightyears in second.
Whis can only cross the universe with his staff, every time he goes to move between planets he uses his staff to use a energy which transport him, that's not speed,the technique is named Warp, was named by the first time in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, and appeared in manga, movie, and anime, Whis uses his staff, tap the ground 2 times and involves himself in a white energy which transports him in a absurdly speed, Whis at least 70 or 100 times faster than light with his usual speed, since according to Junk Tistory which collected official information from DBS Dyspo combat speed is Light speed and he was in par with Hit(according to Toppo) and Hit was strong as SSB Goku at that time, Dyspo can only be MFTL for a instant using the Light Bullet(named in the synopsis of the episodes in japanese) which increases his speed Thousands of times for a instant, but according to Goku he fighting style is too linear and he can be easily stoped, NO MATTER HOW MUCH FAST.
Raditz has FTL combat feats. He outrun a Kamehameha and dodged light speed beam cannon fire. Piccolo said Raditz is FTL, that makes it canon. Raditz is also more durable, he caught a bullet and flicked it back at the farmer. If Sasuke tried that it would have had it went through his hand since he's still getting hurt by kunais and shurikens. Raditz is moon-level+ in terms of energy blasts.
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