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#1 Posted by Namiii (250 posts) - - Show Bio

In-character

EoS Sasuke and Saiyan Saga Raditz

No prep or knowledge of each other.

Who wins?

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#2 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke Blitz

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#3 Posted by Xy (964 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke has like a dozen jutsu that can kill Raditz quickly.

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#4 Posted by SuperGoku17 (7220 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke stomps

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#5 Posted by BlackWizzard17 (1088 posts) - - Show Bio

Raditz

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#10 Posted by HitTheAssasin (8232 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke stomps. INB4 the "Nemek Frieza" guy.

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#11 Posted by Red_Leader (907 posts) - - Show Bio

Is Saske a Planet buster

because Raditz is

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#12 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@mortein: Hits himself with a beam you mean?

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#14 Posted by UltimateMidTier (30 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke easily.

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#15 Posted by MainJP (6165 posts) - - Show Bio

Is Saske a Planet buster

because Raditz is

Raditz's best destructive feat is a mountain range.

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#16 Posted by Omega_kai (3162 posts) - - Show Bio

How is Sasuke gonna even hurt him?

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#17 Posted by Mortein (6044 posts) - - Show Bio

@mainjp said:
@red_leader said:

Is Saske a Planet buster

because Raditz is

Raditz's best destructive feat is a mountain range

If explosions can be focused, then the size of the explosion only tells us the minimal energy requirement for that explosion, not the actual amount of energy the explosion contains. And there is plenty of evidence that this is the case in DBZ.

So while the biggest explosions created by Raditz were only destroying mountain ranges, we know that less powerful characters were able to destroy moons, and were stated to be able to destroy 1/43 of the Earth's surface.

Raditz is moon+ level, which means he should be able to destroy tiniest planets.

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#18 Edited by WhatamIseeing (1690 posts) - - Show Bio

Does the feat of piccolo destroying the moon mean nothing? and the feat of Raditz dodging special beam cannon mean nothing here?

Raditz easily beats piccolo who blew up the moon with a basic ki blast

If we are talking can Sasuke beat Raditz that would have to include his Great Ape form. Or is this just base Raditz

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#19 Posted by Jirou (531 posts) - - Show Bio

sasuke

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#20 Posted by NatsuD (4 posts) - - Show Bio

Raditz can fly and manoever very fast while he does, and that's a very significant mobility advantage Raditz has.

As far as I remember, Sasuke has no easy way to fly himself , although maybe using some Rinnegan powers like 'repulsive forces of Deva Path' might work as a substitute for a missing innate ability to fly.

I don't know what the databooks say exactly about Master Roshi's power level when he blew up the Moon.

But as long as Raditz' power level was better than Roshi's, it's not unreasonable to expect Raditz to have the ability to use Moon Busting KI-Blasts of some sort, too.

Whether Sasuke could withstand such a powerful Moon-Busting Ki-Blast by Raditz, I'm not sure.

Maybe Susanoo could work, maybe not.

What was the strongest attack Sasuke / Susanoo managed to No-Sell in his own Naruto-verse ?

However ! Even if Sasuke isn't 'strong' enough to deal with Raditz in a purely 'physical' fight, Sasuke still has a nice & huge arsenal of HAX , which might work on Raditz (e.g. Genjutsu).

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All in all, I'd give it to Raditz, because he has significant advantages in:

- mobility (flight)

- attack potency (moon level)

- durability (moon level - since he also tanked KI-Blasts from other Z-fighters who had Moon Level Attack Potency)

Whether Raditz is also faster, I'm not sure, nor do I have any idea how fast the beams of Raditz' KI-Blasts travel, so it's not totally impossible that Sasuke could dodge them, if his Evasion Speed is good enough.

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#21 Posted by Marshall_Long (5649 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke more than likely. Though Raditz could potentially one shot, if Sasuke lets his guard down. But Sasuke has more scenarios where he could win.

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#22 Posted by Gaoron (8965 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on how they play it out, Raditz can casually one shot him but Sasuke has hax to counter and potentially put down Raditz after some time and at the end he can always rely on genjutsu even tho he never does that as a start up move after War.

6/10 Sasuke.

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#23 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18026 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke wins a majority. He has better feats and powers. Radtiz beats Sasuke pre six paths powers though.

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#24 Posted by Skrskr (3538 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke wins because he wouldn’t attempt to tank anything

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#25 Posted by Tyki_Mikk25 (156 posts) - - Show Bio

Raditz win low diff, he is faster and stronger then Sasuke...

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#26 Posted by JOVIOLMA (6636 posts) - - Show Bio

Why there is people think that Raditz can even win ?

Raditz speed is at least Mach 7 or 8, Goku in Saiyan Saga Speed is Mach 30, 10 KM per second, he cross the Snake Way in 28 hours. Sasuke is like Relativistic, he can blitz Naruto and Madara, Naruto have already dodged at point blank a light speed beam,ut sometimes Sasuke managed to hit him, Itachi without see could hit multiple targets, the Raikiri as said by the Databook that could cut through anything and just touching big rocks could perfectly cut in half, the same is mentioned about Fang of Light, Madara just needed to pierce naruto's face and he is gone but if you see, Naruto don't even have a scratch, Madara misses becauses Narutos dodged(Piccolo would be proud)

Sasuke physical speaking is stronger, he can lift thousands and thousands of tons easily, can survive be punched by Juudara, the Juubi can carries mountains(Millions of tons).

Naruto have his chakra extracted and make a hole in the moon in the size of a big country, and he was completely unharmed and without a single scratch, Sasuke at full power is obviously stronger and durable.

Sasuke is obviously a planet buster, Naruto have his chakra extracted for hours, and yet, made for Boruto a Rasengan that make a hole in the planet's cloud in the side of the country, Momoshiki can easily destroy all the Lands around the Land of Fire, Naruto who can easily destroys Toneri's GWRE couldn't even destroy that thing completely, according to Sasuke, Naruto could easily blow up Momoshiki TBB but this would destroy all the Lands who surround the Land of Fire.

Piccolo blow up the moon is plot, if Piccolo was that fast, Goku would cross all the snake way in a instant, but he takes 28 hours, for Toriyama's view 1.000.000 >>> Distance between Earth and Moon. Krillin and Gohan already proved that the Ki blast are almost in the same speed as the user, when Guldo stops time he was able to stop before Gohan and Krillin's ki blast touch him, but when he notices, Gohan and Krillin are almost in the same point as the Ki blast even though that they fire 4 seconds before Guldo stops time.

Piccolo is at least a Island Buster, Master Roshi feat is very inconsistent, Toriyama already said in a interview that the words said by the characters are his own words for the reader, Roshi was impressed by Tien Kikoho and Piccolo Island Buster feat, he itself confirmed that can't even destroy RBB army, Yajirobe impressed that Goku defeat a city buster, and everyone impressed by this even though that MK destroy the moon, and Piccolo destroy her by a casual ki blast, but was impressed by Nappa big hole make in the ground made by a casual ki blast either, so is obviously that the moon in dbz is very easy to destroy.

Raditz can't even see or touch Sasuke, before he notice Sasuke already stab him with a Chidori and he is dead, if a Cliff Cutter Destructor Disk can hurt Nappa, what about Raditz ? If Vegeta can be cut two times by Yajirobe sword obviously the Chidori would stab Raditz chest, and he even had Perfect Susanoo, meh, Raditz can't even seen him, touch him, or hurt him, how he will win ? Sasuke is faster, he can simply stab Raditz heart and its over, or simple burn him with Amaterasu.

Sasuke wins easily in less than a minute.

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#27 Posted by NamesClassified (119 posts) - - Show Bio

@skrskr said:

Sasuke wins because he wouldn’t attempt to tank anything

Scaling Raditz's ki attacks from a weaker Piccolo, dodging Raditz ki blast will be incredibly difficult for Sasuke. Piccolos ki blast was able to reach the moon in mere seconds

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#28 Edited by Mortein (6044 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

It took 6 months for Goku to cross 1 000 000 km the first time, yet even as a kid he was able to fight so fast even hypersonic+ characters couldn't see him. This proves that their long distance travel speed<<<<<<<<<<<<<<combat speed.

Raditz is just hypersonic+ when it comes to long distance travel speed, but he could easily be close to relativistic speed when it comes to reactions, and short movements.

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#29 Edited by JOVIOLMA (6636 posts) - - Show Bio

@mortein said:
@joviolma said:

It took 6 months for Goku to cross 1 000 000 km the first time, yet even as a kid he was able to fight so fast even hypersonic+ characters couldn't see him. This proves that their long distance travel speed<<<<<<<<<<<<<<combat speed.

Raditz is just hypersonic+ when it comes to long distance travel speed, but he could easily be close to relativistic speed when it comes to reactions, and short movements.

Nope, Goku was just running casually not even full speed he have enough feats as child to prove that he was Mach 2 or 3 at that time(King Piccolo Saga), when he was returning he clearly states for King Kai that he most back to Earth fast as he can, so that mean he was at full speed.

Goku moves so fast that Nappa couldn't even seen him, but Raditz was able to dodged Piccolo attacks and Ki blasts, and even was able to see and react barely to piccolo's SPC.

So, nope, Raditz in combat is more likely Mach 10, I don't see why the characters movements would be massively faster than their fly speed.

And according to Jump Tistory Dyspo combat speed is only light speed, who was said by Toppo to be in par with Hit who at that time could fight against SSB Blue Goku, welcome to Dragon Ball Universe.

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#30 Posted by Green_Ballerina (523 posts) - - Show Bio

Raditz > Farmer w/shotgun > Sasuke

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#31 Posted by JOVIOLMA (6636 posts) - - Show Bio

Raditz > Farmer w/shotgun > Sasuke

You are just kidding right ?

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#32 Posted by Green_Ballerina (523 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:
@green_ballerina said:

Raditz > Farmer w/shotgun > Sasuke

You are just kidding right ?

Yes, this post was satire

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#33 Posted by JOVIOLMA (6636 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:
@green_ballerina said:

Raditz > Farmer w/shotgun > Sasuke

You are just kidding right ?

Yes, this post was satire

Fair enough, to be honest, Farmer w/shotgun is more likely SSBB Vegeta level.

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#34 Posted by Gaoron (8965 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: Your lowballing is disgusting but hey Sasuke couldn't dash few meters in time it takes Sakura to yell multiple words. So Raditz is still faster.

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#35 Posted by JOVIOLMA (6636 posts) - - Show Bio

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@joviolma: Your lowballing is disgusting but hey Sasuke couldn't dash few meters in time it takes Sakura to yell multiple words. So Raditz is still faster.

Yes, say facts and feats about the character is lowballing, makes total sense.

So just because Sakura say words while Sasuke is dashing he is slower than Raditz, that is by far the most ridiculous comment I have ever read, Raditz literally talk for 6 seconds about Piccolo's SPC when the beam was fired, so by your logic, the SPC is very slow right ?

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#36 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18026 posts) - - Show Bio

@gaoron: And Bulma watched SSB Goku and Golden Frieza fight. It's PIS.

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#37 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18026 posts) - - Show Bio

Is Saske a Planet buster

because Raditz is

No, neither are planet busters. In raw power both are country/small moon level.

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#38 Posted by Gaoron (8965 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: Lowballing is not logical my man, you should know this.

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#39 Posted by JOVIOLMA (6636 posts) - - Show Bio

@red_leader said:

Is Saske a Planet buster

because Raditz is

No, neither are planet busters. In raw power both are country/small moon level.

Honestly speaking, DBZ characters only advantaged is their DC, but Hit already showed that DC are not needed to beat them,physical strength and speed is enough, Sasuke is physical stronger than Raditz, and faster too.

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#40 Posted by JOVIOLMA (6636 posts) - - Show Bio

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@joviolma: Lowballing is not logical my man, you should know this.

What lowballing ? everything I do was based in feats from manga about the character, Goku Saiyan Saga(Vegeta battle) is Mach 30, he moves so fast that Nappa couldn't even seen him, so Raditz is obviously slower, the Juubi can carries mountais, a average mountain weight 20.000.000.000 tons and the Juubi Jinchuuriki is absurdly stronger, but Sasuke and Naruto are punched by them multiple times and don't even bleed, the frogs in Mount Myoboku by simple absorbing natural energy in the mountain can lift hundreds of tons, according to Kurama all the nature energy of the planet is inside the Juubi, just imagine the strength of that monster in full power, but Sasuke and Naruto survive Juudara punches, while this, Current Goku and Vegeta moves like a normal person lifting a chair while using that heavy suits, that suits sink into the ground that should be weight 1/5 of Everest's weight. Current Goku have enough feats for me to say: Base Current Goku>SSJ 3 Goku Buu Saga.

Sasuke can blitz Naruto who dodged a Light speed beam, that puts Sasuke like Relativistic + or Light Speed, while this Raditz is weaker than Nappa, a guy who can't even see Goku's Mach 30 speed.

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#41 Posted by Gaoron (8965 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: First of you are mixing everything up. Combat and travel speeds have nothing in common. Gokus travel speed is below Kinto (mach 1.5) but his combat speed is ridiculously faster. Goku as a kid dashed multiple buildings at point blank blaster and jumped and catched already scattering dragon ball. As a teen he trained to be FTLightning and have feats that were calced at high 3 digit mach. In saiyan saga he was fast enough to blitz characters that dodge sub-relativistic blasts and have fight sequence that takes minute+ in real time in a heartbeat. That atleast puts him in Naruto god tiers range if not straight blitz them. Second lifting and strikings has nothing to do with each other. Just because Kurama can lift a mountain (if he can) that doesn't mean his punches carry mountain shattering force.

And no, they are not LS. Naruto never dodged the beam in the manga the same way he did in anime, it was debunked mutliple times nor are Naruto databooks accurate when it comes to light speed. They had a history of throwing hyperboles about light speed. Naruto is mhs+, sub-relativistic at best.

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#42 Posted by JOVIOLMA (6636 posts) - - Show Bio

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@joviolma: First of you are mixing everything up. Combat and travel speeds have nothing in common. Gokus travel speed is below Kinto (mach 1.5) but his combat speed is ridiculously faster. Goku as a kid dashed multiple buildings at point blank blaster and jumped and catched already scattering dragon ball. As a teen he trained to be FTLightning and have feats that were calced at high 3 digit mach. In saiyan saga he was fast enough to blitz characters that dodge sub-relativistic blasts and have fight sequence that takes minute+ in real time in a heartbeat. That atleast puts him in Naruto god tiers range if not straight blitz them. Second lifting and strikings has nothing to do with each other. Just because Kurama can lift a mountain (if he can) that doesn't mean his punches carry mountain shattering force.

And no, they are not LS. Naruto never dodged the beam in the manga the same way he did in anime, it was debunked mutliple times nor are Naruto databooks accurate when it comes to light speed. They had a history of throwing hyperboles about light speed. Naruto is mhs+, sub-relativistic at best.

Nope, Travel speed and Combat speed are almost the same, Goku uses Kinton in Saiyan saga just because of the plot, his speed was like 30 times faster than this, 1.000.000 in 28 hours is 10 KM per second.

Be faster than lightning is a technique, Mr Popo clearly said that for moves faster than a lightning you have to clear you mind, Sorry, but Goku is not a guy with the clean mind, he is a genius in combat, but a relaxed guy, he obviously don't is.

I sorry to debunk you argument about sub-relativistic characters but none of them was sub relativistics not even in Buu saga, Gotenks speed was calculated to be 330 KM per second, he circle the Globe 9 times in 20 minutes, Piccolo blowing up the moon is just plot, or AT don't know the distance between Earth and Moon, and Gohan and Krillin vs Guldo already proved that the fly speed is almost the same as the Ki blasts, I don't post scans because what happens last time but you can see what I'm SAIYAN in manga scans in google or simple see the fight in Youtube.

According to Junk Tistory, Dyspo is only light speed in combat, and his speed was in PAR(according to Toppo) with Hit, the same guy who can fight with SSB Goku, so even if Sasuke is sub relativistic is enough to easily kill Raditz.

Debunk what ? They just said that Naruto dodged Madara's head swing, which is ridiculous, Sage Art is Nature turn into attack, Hot Oil is Hot Oil, Wind is Wind, Lightning is Lightning, so Light is Light, Itachi without see could hit multiple targets with kunais, Madara is remembered to be the strongest Uchiha, you really think that he would, shoot the beam in the left and them swing his head to cut Naruto, and Naruto would be stop in there just waiting Madara swing his head with that thing ? Ha, no, LOL, is stupid, actually the databook said that the Fang of Light can cut anything and that's is exactly the same thing said about Raikiri in the databook, the Raikiri by simple touching big rocks cold cut them in half perfectly, Madara only needed to pierce Naruto's head and is over, not mention that Naruto staffs is in the front before Madara fire the beam, and was in the front even when he dodged, proofing that he dodged in the last nanosecond, but yet Sasuke was able to blitz him multiple times and with his Gedo Susanoo could move faster than Naruto could see.

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#43 Edited by Gaoron (8965 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: Nope combat and travel speeds are two different stats. And Goku uses Kinto because it's faster that way, plot didn't needed Goku to use it, Goku needed it to move faster. What was shown trumps fan calcs that Toriyama doesn't care about.

Goku doesn't need clear mind, he blitzed Kami who is faster than Popo.

Travel speed again, ignored.

Dyspo was never said to be only light speed. All was said is that he surpassed speed of sound and light in past battles. Nice try tho.

Yes and Madara obviously doesn't swing his head at light speed, does he? And you actually proved yourself it's a hyperbole. Something being able to "cut anything" is a obvious one.

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#44 Posted by JOVIOLMA (6636 posts) - - Show Bio

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@joviolma: Nope combat and travel speeds are two different stats. And Goku uses Kinto because it's faster that way, plot didn't needed Goku to use it, Goku needed it to move faster. What was shown trumps fan calcs that Toriyama doesn't care about.

Goku doesn't need clear mind, he blitzed Kami who is faster than Popo.

Travel speed again, ignored.

Dyspo was never said to be only light speed. All was said is that he surpassed speed of sound and light in past battles. Nice try tho.

Yes and Madara obviously doesn't swing his head at light speed, does he? And you actually proved yourself it's a hyperbole. Something being able to "cut anything" is a obvious one.

Combat speed and travel speed is almost the same, Goku uses Kinton because his want, he literally swing to the other side of the world in only 24 hours.

He blitz Kami because Mr Popo casual Speed possibly is Mach 4 or 5, be faster than a lightning is a technique not real speed, he can't even see Popo moving when he uses his FTLightning technique.

Actually according to Junk Tistory a south korean blog publishing who collected official information from dragon ball super and even predict titles and synopses about future episodes, Dyspo is only Light Speed, he only surpass light speed for a instant and everyone only fight against him using this technique because according to Goku he fighting style is very linear.

Meh, Madara don't need swing his head to cut Naruto, actually only shoots in Naruto's head would cut him, the Raikiri only touches in enourmous rocks and cut them perfectly, Databook:''The Raikiri can cut through anything'' Anime and manga: The Raikiri can in fact cut through anything'', Databook:''The Fang of Light can cut anything'' Anime and Manga:'' The Fang of Light cut a Truth Seeking Ball Bat, the Truth Seeking Balls can destroy everything in a Molecular/Atomic Level.

So is not my fault if you don't believe in the databook, actually, Madara is clearly FTL, he could have dodged Night Guy, a technique who bend space, this before he absorbs the God Tree, the speed needed to bend space is 90% or a FTL speed, but was surprised when he see that the technique was bending space and when he notices was too late.

Not mention that Momoshiki and Kinshiki literally travel between planets, the novel have already confirmed that Momoshiki invaded a planet, destroy the entire world and harvest the chakra fruit from there, and they do this all the time, Although they can clearly teleport this is unlikely, for go to a location you need to know where you are going, or feel the persons chakra(that world don't have chakra, Momoshiki only found the god tree, that's what the Otsutsuki clan does, search for chakra trees in worlds) and the space time techniques only take persons to Dimensions, that world is clearly described in the novel as a planet with russet-coloured terrain, bathed in the synchrotron radiation of a dying red sun, which produces its brilliant auroras, so obviously was in some region of space.

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#45 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke is better in most categories barring DC and durability to energy attacks. He wins.

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#46 Edited by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (17515 posts) - - Show Bio

Raditz, if he just goes for the nukes

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#47 Posted by Gaoron (8965 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: Combat and travel are not the same and never were. DB is not the only verse where this happens. In One Piece characters that are mhs+ are running like normal people. In star wars combat speed/reaction time is above their travel speed aswell.

Buu saga Gohan who is faster than saiyan saga Goku is mach 2.5, Goku is nowhere near mach 30 in travel that's why he uses Kinto to travel and it has nothing to do with plot because Kinto wasn't a part of it.

Tao was mach 20+. What are you talking about?

I don't know your sources but they are wrong. Dyspo was straight up said to surpass speed of sound and light through past battles.

Well, shame he didn't aim it at Naruto. And cutting anything statement is as much hyperbolic as you can get.

To bend space you need relativistic speed which is 0.1c and up. We don't even know if author intended him to be this fast, we need to aply real life physic to prove this feat and Naruto was never accurate to our laws to begin with. And Guy blitzed Madara, there is nothing you can scale him to.

You don't even know how they are travelling, pretty sure they use portals.

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#48 Posted by Godren (3757 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:
@gaoron said:

@joviolma: Nope combat and travel speeds are two different stats. And Goku uses Kinto because it's faster that way, plot didn't needed Goku to use it, Goku needed it to move faster. What was shown trumps fan calcs that Toriyama doesn't care about.

Goku doesn't need clear mind, he blitzed Kami who is faster than Popo.

Travel speed again, ignored.

Dyspo was never said to be only light speed. All was said is that he surpassed speed of sound and light in past battles. Nice try tho.

Yes and Madara obviously doesn't swing his head at light speed, does he? And you actually proved yourself it's a hyperbole. Something being able to "cut anything" is a obvious one.

Combat speed and travel speed is almost the same, Goku uses Kinton because his want, he literally swing to the other side of the world in only 24 hours.

He blitz Kami because Mr Popo casual Speed possibly is Mach 4 or 5, be faster than a lightning is a technique not real speed, he can't even see Popo moving when he uses his FTLightning technique.

Actually according to Junk Tistory a south korean blog publishing who collected official information from dragon ball super and even predict titles and synopses about future episodes, Dyspo is only Light Speed, he only surpass light speed for a instant and everyone only fight against him using this technique because according to Goku he fighting style is very linear.

Meh, Madara don't need swing his head to cut Naruto, actually only shoots in Naruto's head would cut him, the Raikiri only touches in enourmous rocks and cut them perfectly, Databook:''The Raikiri can cut through anything'' Anime and manga: The Raikiri can in fact cut through anything'', Databook:''The Fang of Light can cut anything'' Anime and Manga:'' The Fang of Light cut a Truth Seeking Ball Bat, the Truth Seeking Balls can destroy everything in a Molecular/Atomic Level.

So is not my fault if you don't believe in the databook, actually, Madara is clearly FTL, he could have dodged Night Guy, a technique who bend space, this before he absorbs the God Tree, the speed needed to bend space is 90% or a FTL speed, but was surprised when he see that the technique was bending space and when he notices was too late.

Not mention that Momoshiki and Kinshiki literally travel between planets, the novel have already confirmed that Momoshiki invaded a planet, destroy the entire world and harvest the chakra fruit from there, and they do this all the time, Although they can clearly teleport this is unlikely, for go to a location you need to know where you are going, or feel the persons chakra(that world don't have chakra, Momoshiki only found the god tree, that's what the Otsutsuki clan does, search for chakra trees in worlds) and the space time techniques only take persons to Dimensions, that world is clearly described in the novel as a planet with russet-coloured terrain, bathed in the synchrotron radiation of a dying red sun, which produces its brilliant auroras, so obviously was in some region of space.

Since Sasuke blitzed him and Naruto during their final battle,Does that mean his chidori and susanoo are mftl?

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#49 Posted by JOVIOLMA (6636 posts) - - Show Bio

@godren said:
@joviolma said:
@gaoron said:

@joviolma: Nope combat and travel speeds are two different stats. And Goku uses Kinto because it's faster that way, plot didn't needed Goku to use it, Goku needed it to move faster. What was shown trumps fan calcs that Toriyama doesn't care about.

Goku doesn't need clear mind, he blitzed Kami who is faster than Popo.

Travel speed again, ignored.

Dyspo was never said to be only light speed. All was said is that he surpassed speed of sound and light in past battles. Nice try tho.

Yes and Madara obviously doesn't swing his head at light speed, does he? And you actually proved yourself it's a hyperbole. Something being able to "cut anything" is a obvious one.

Combat speed and travel speed is almost the same, Goku uses Kinton because his want, he literally swing to the other side of the world in only 24 hours.

He blitz Kami because Mr Popo casual Speed possibly is Mach 4 or 5, be faster than a lightning is a technique not real speed, he can't even see Popo moving when he uses his FTLightning technique.

Actually according to Junk Tistory a south korean blog publishing who collected official information from dragon ball super and even predict titles and synopses about future episodes, Dyspo is only Light Speed, he only surpass light speed for a instant and everyone only fight against him using this technique because according to Goku he fighting style is very linear.

Meh, Madara don't need swing his head to cut Naruto, actually only shoots in Naruto's head would cut him, the Raikiri only touches in enourmous rocks and cut them perfectly, Databook:''The Raikiri can cut through anything'' Anime and manga: The Raikiri can in fact cut through anything'', Databook:''The Fang of Light can cut anything'' Anime and Manga:'' The Fang of Light cut a Truth Seeking Ball Bat, the Truth Seeking Balls can destroy everything in a Molecular/Atomic Level.

So is not my fault if you don't believe in the databook, actually, Madara is clearly FTL, he could have dodged Night Guy, a technique who bend space, this before he absorbs the God Tree, the speed needed to bend space is 90% or a FTL speed, but was surprised when he see that the technique was bending space and when he notices was too late.

Not mention that Momoshiki and Kinshiki literally travel between planets, the novel have already confirmed that Momoshiki invaded a planet, destroy the entire world and harvest the chakra fruit from there, and they do this all the time, Although they can clearly teleport this is unlikely, for go to a location you need to know where you are going, or feel the persons chakra(that world don't have chakra, Momoshiki only found the god tree, that's what the Otsutsuki clan does, search for chakra trees in worlds) and the space time techniques only take persons to Dimensions, that world is clearly described in the novel as a planet with russet-coloured terrain, bathed in the synchrotron radiation of a dying red sun, which produces its brilliant auroras, so obviously was in some region of space.

Since Sasuke blitzed him and Naruto during their final battle,Does that mean his chidori and susanoo are mftl?

He can be just 1 Km faster than Madara, don't needed necessarily be MFTL.

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@joviolma: Combat and travel are not the same and never were. DB is not the only verse where this happens. In One Piece characters that are mhs+ are running like normal people. In star wars combat speed/reaction time is above their travel speed aswell.

Buu saga Gohan who is faster than saiyan saga Goku is mach 2.5, Goku is nowhere near mach 30 in travel that's why he uses Kinto to travel and it has nothing to do with plot because Kinto wasn't a part of it.

Tao was mach 20+. What are you talking about?

I don't know your sources but they are wrong. Dyspo was straight up said to surpass speed of sound and light through past battles.

Well, shame he didn't aim it at Naruto. And cutting anything statement is as much hyperbolic as you can get.

To bend space you need relativistic speed which is 0.1c and up. We don't even know if author intended him to be this fast, we need to aply real life physic to prove this feat and Naruto was never accurate to our laws to begin with. And Guy blitzed Madara, there is nothing you can scale him to.

You don't even know how they are travelling, pretty sure they use portals.

Dyspo only surpass Light using the Light Bullet, a technique named by fans, is the same he used against Hit, yep, sources that literally collected official information from the producers are wrong, you are amazing with this.

Makes sense, compare other works with Dragon Ball, when in other works character are Millions of times stronger than a human and can just destroy a country, but in dragon ball if you are 3600 times stronger than a human you can destroy a planet.

Are you even read the manga or anything ? You appears like that dbz fans who love to say thing without knowing, Goku cross 1.000.000 KM in 28 hours, The snake way size was mentioned by the manga, anime and daizenshuu he said to be in full speed, that is a speed of Mach 30, he only use Kinton because of the plot because obviosly he don't need it.

Goku can swim half of the world in 24 hours, this is movement speed, he is swimming and yet takes 24 hours.

Tao uses his Pillar to do this, he is not moving, is like humans using a car, the real feat in there is that he is strong.

Black Zetsu already confirmed that Tobi could move in the speed of light.

Actually according to theories and analyses when you reach the speed of light the space around start to bend,you can clearly search a image of a object moving in the speed of light and compare. Madara clearly say that Guy is fast when he was bending space, so obviously Kishimoto want to state speed. Nope, I disagree, Momoshiki and Kinshiki don't make portals, portals can only send you to a planet when someone has Chakra or you already was in him, like Sasuke feeling Naruto's chakra in another world, according to the novel Kinshiki and Momoshiki found the world where they fight against the Kages and Sasuke, I doubt that they are open portals randomly and found a dimension and said:''Wow cool, that dimension there is a god tree in there'' No, Kaguya all the time she appeared she was looking to the sky, Toneri literally saw 2 light points coming from Earth, and Kaguya fall in the Earth somehow, I don't see any portal in there.