- he stated multiple times that light of death was able to kill him
Cool, special beam canon isn't what destroyed the moon though, a casual beam blast was, which Raditz no sells.
Not relevant to my point... learn how to read
that's literally how light of death works........
Cool, special beam canon didn't destroy the moon though.
Not relevant to my point... learn how to read
yes. and his best attack was only able to destroy some mountains surfaces.
thanks for proving my point. /argument
Ok and? That doesn't mean the attack was only mountain level.
Yes it does.....
you've been shouting this since the beginning of the thread, you have yet to show how it counters my point. I'll copy and paste it again for you to read this time
Simple, they can control their ki so the power of the attack can be way higher than the damage done to the environment. Get it?
Of course it can... keyword "can"....
Raditz was shown to nosell the same attack that destroyed the moon from a much much more bloodlusted picollo.
That same attack by raditz that nosold picollos attack was barely able to destroy a mountains surface.
Those are on panel FACTS. Assuming the power of the attack was higher is pure headcannon because it is in no way implied or shown.
picollo busting the moon is an outlier .. keep coping
""""raditz kamhehameha was barely able to destroy some mountains surface, that same kamahameha was able to nosell gokus strongest attack, and goku had the same power level with picollo...
and this was a much stronger version of picollo than the base picollo that destroyed the moon."""""
Ok then, let's apply this standard to one piece ;)
Kaido's strongest hits are barely able to damage a couple rocks. So Kaido's barely even rock level was able to kill Luffy. The same rock level Luffy that was able to hurt Kaido. The strongest, One Piece is bareky rock level so piccolo still eviscerates ;)
Again .. Irrelevant to my point
Lets recap this whole argument.
- You stated raditz was stronger than picollo... Got debunked by me
- You said some bullshit about picollos light of death... Got debunked again
- You also debunked yourself again with messy logic
Now you're trying to bring headcannon about how raditz attack was actually stronger than mountain surface level because of ki control? Only to get debunked again
It's like arguing with a flat earther, no amount of evidence will change your mind
1. Yes we do. Roshi, piccolo, random fodder cerelean.
Imagine trying to use proven outliers to support your point.
Laughable
Notice how I said Teen Goku. Not that what you were saying was relevant anyway
Lmao. Kid goku was literally a teen.. not that I expected much level of comprehension from you....
You can’t be serious?? Piccolo was not stronger during the Raditz fight than after it. You’re either being purposely dense or you ready manga like a coloring book. In what possible way was he stronger
Yes he was... he was much stronger than a base picollo (the one that destroyed the moon) due to ki control, and still got nosold by raditz's mountain surface attack.
This one is particularly ironic, because you've been shouting "ki control" throughout this conversation, but you don't even have a surface level understanding of it
Coping like crazy. But I’ll bite, give me a sec
Calm down with the projection
btw, so let me ask you something then. Why is that characters much stronger than planet level create attacks that explode at building level. Are you implying that those are building level attacks??!
I disagree with the premise of this question.
By definition, a planet level attacks would produce a planet level effect.
If a planet level attack is not able to destroy a building, then it either
Cool, and special beam canon was irrelevant to my point either, but you still felt the need to bring it up. So maybe you should learn to keep up ;)
Not relevant to my point... learn how to read
And special beam canon wasn't relevant to my point either, so maybe you should learn to keep up ;)
Yes it does.....
No it doesn't thanks to ki control ;)
Of course it can... keyword "can"....
Great. glad to see you agree with that.
Raditz was shown to nosell the same attack that destroyed the moon from a much much more bloodlusted picollo.
That same attack by raditz that nosold picollos attack was barely able to destroy a mountains surface.
Then that attack by Raditz was simply one of those "can" moments. Simple enough to follow, hence why so many people get it. Though it seems you're struggling on this one ;)
Those are on panel FACTS. Assuming the power of the attack was higher is pure headcannon because it is in no way implied or shown.
picollo busting the moon is an outlier .. keep coping
Define outlier. Because what you're implying is that what Piccolo did was a contradiction to the series and cannot occur. That it's impossible for piccolo to be this level, so prove how it's impossible for him to do so.
Piccolo is moon level, did it on screen. Keep frothing at the mouth.
""""raditz kamhehameha was barely able to destroy some mountains surface, that same kamahameha was able to nosell gokus strongest attack, and goku had the same power level with picollo...
and this was a much stronger version of picollo than the base picollo that destroyed the moon."""""
Ok then, let's apply this standard to one piece ;)
Kaido's strongest hits are barely able to damage a couple rocks. So Kaido's barely even rock level was able to kill Luffy. The same rock level Luffy that was able to hurt Kaido. The strongest, One Piece is bareky rock level so piccolo still eviscerates ;)
Again .. Irrelevant to my point
Actually, this is your point. This is your logic and it can be applied to every single series. Do you believe one piece is rock level? Or Frieza is only rock level?
Lets recap this whole argument.
Sure! Let's see how spectacularly you failed ;)
- You stated raditz was stronger than picollo... Got debunked by me
Piccolo power level: 400, Raditz: 1500. Seems you got debunked here my friend. You simply brought up things completely irrelevant to my point ;)
- You said some bullshit about picollos light of death... Got debunked again
>Literally can't even describe how the conversation went. What did I say incorrect about the special beam canon here.
- You also debunked yourself again with messy logic
>Literally doesn't even know what they're talking about. What messy logic are you referring to? Since the only messy "logic" I showed you was your own ;)
Now you're trying to bring headcannon about how raditz attack was actually stronger than mountain surface level because of ki control? Only to get debunked again
Where's the debunk. Because last I checked, you literally agreed with what I said lmao.
It's like arguing with a flat earther, no amount of evidence will change your mind
Yeah, you would believe the earth is flat. At least based on your seemingly difficult time understanding very basic concepts relating to scaling lmao.
Then that attack by Raditz was simply one of those "can" moments. Simple enough to follow, hence why so many people get it. Though it seems you're struggling on this one ;)
This is your headcannon, you have no evidence to support this.
Define outlier. Because what you're implying is that what Piccolo did was a contradiction to the series and cannot occur. That it's impossible for piccolo to be this level, so prove how it's impossible for him to do so.
Piccolo is moon level, did it on screen. Keep frothing at the mouth.
outlier meaning it is not consistent with what was shown in the series. I have proven a thousand times how it's an outlier, but I'm not suprised, it'd only take someone with a goldfish-level attention span to believe such fanfiction about picollo being a moonbuster.
You can scroll through the thread if you actually want "proof", or... you could just actually watch dbz, instead of copy and pasting dumb arguments you saw online
Actually, this is your point. This is your logic and it can be applied to every single series. Do you believe one piece is rock level? Or Frieza is only rock level?
Not relevant to my point again....
Piccolo power level: 400, Raditz: 1500. Seems you got debunked here my friend. You simply brought up things completely irrelevant to my point ;)
LMAO. Even you yourself doesn't understand the concept of ki control you've been shouting about
same thing with @comicvinepoozer1. You people don't even know anything about the series you're arguing for, but think you can convince me raditz is somehow a moon buster
>Literally can't even describe how the conversation went. What did I say incorrect about the special beam canon here.
You: "Yes and Raditz has a higher power level than piccolo unless Piccolo charges his energy for minutes at a time."
Incorrect. Raditz's power level wasn't shown in the series, and secondly picollos power level was only "low" because of """ki control""" (the same shit you were shouting about, but somehow doesn't understand)
You: "This is also patently not true since Raditz is tanking those ki blasts with his physical durability alone."
Incorrect. He never tanked any blast by picollo with physical durability,
he had an armour even he stated he would have been killed by picollos attack had not worn that armour
Proving again... you don't know wtf you're talking about
>Literally doesn't even know what they're talking about. What messy logic are you referring to? Since the only messy "logic" I showed you was your own ;)
You literally spent the whole thread talking about ki control, while demonstrating little grasp about it.
picollos power level increasing while performing the light of death
you said picollo was weaker than raditz because his power level was 400, while not understanding picollo and goku can vary thier ki (see picture above)
you said "Raditz far surpasses the casual ki blasts that can vaporize the moon by piccolo.", while not realizing that same raditz was not able to destroy some moutains surface with his strongest attack
You said "Raditz has a higher power level than piccolo unless Piccolo charges his energy for minutes at a time." while not understanding his base power level is irrelevant because of """"""ki control""""""'
Where's the debunk. Because last I checked, you literally agreed with what I said lmao.
Whatever helps you sleep at night. keep coping
Yeah, you would believe the earth is flat. At least based on your seemingly difficult time understanding very basic concepts relating to scaling lmao.
Still projecting...
Arguing with you seems to be a waste of time, you don't even understand any of the claims you've been making
and for those that still think this is a mismatch, please note that if we go by what **actually** happened in dbz, you'll realize that raditz is actually very comparable to gear 4th luffy.
Performing the feat on panel, with multiple other people around your level performing the same feat and even direct guidebook statements is fan fiction now LMAOOO
There’s a reason why you’re the only genius arguing for it being an outlier in this thread. This will probably be locked soon
This is your headcannon, you have no evidence to support this.
What's your evidence for it being only mountain level? If ki control can make it those "can" moments like you said earlier, what evidence do you have that it was only mountain level?
outlier meaning it is not consistent with what was shown in the series. I have proven a thousand times how it's an outlier, but I'm not suprised, it'd only take someone with a goldfish-level attention span to believe such fanfiction about picollo being a moonbuster.
You can scroll through the thread if you actually want "proof", or... you could just actually watch dbz, instead of copy and pasting dumb arguments you saw online
You have not, you have simply repeated debunked logic exactly as a flat earther would ;). I understand coming to terms with reality is hard, but it's not impossible even for someone like you. Oh and any "inconsistency" you can find can be easily explained away via ki control. Simple logic I know.
You provided no proof since any instance you showed can be explained via ki control ;)
Not relevant to my point again....
Actually it is relevant since that is your point. So I repeat, do you think Frieza and Kaido are only rock level? Actually I don't need you to answer since you already said SSJ2 Gohan is building level lmao.
For smeone that likes to talk about "consistency," you sure have a lot of issues with placing characters consistently ;)
LMAO. Even you yourself doesn't understand the concept of ki control you've been shouting about
same thing with @comicvinepoozer1. You people don't even know anything about the series you're arguing for, but think you can convince me raditz is somehow a moon buster
>Literally shows once again they don't know the series and can't use basic logic. Yeah they used their ki control to suppress their power before, but that doesn't mean they don't have a max power level each lmao. That max power was in the 400's for each of them unless using ki blasts to amp themselves.
You: "Yes and Raditz has a higher power level than piccolo unless Piccolo charges his energy for minutes at a time."
Incorrect. Raditz's power level wasn't shown in the series, and secondly picollos power level was only "low" because of """ki control""" (the same shit you were shouting about, but somehow doesn't understand)
>Literally doesn't know the difference between the concepts of "ki control" and "max power" lmao. Piccolo's max power was around the 400's to his stats oh and Raditz PL have been confirmed through multiple sources.
You: "This is also patently not true since Raditz is tanking those ki blasts with his physical durability alone."
Incorrect. He never tanked any blast by picollo with physical durability,
Objectively false:
he had an armour even he stated he would have been killed by picollos attack had not worn that armour
Cool special beam canon isn't relevant to my point. Learn to read ;)
Proving again... you don't know wtf you're talking about
Man you really do love projecting huh ;)
You literally spent the whole thread talking about ki control, while demonstrating little grasp about it.
>Literally couldn't even differentiate between controlling their ki and releasing their max power lol.
picollos power level increasing while performing the light of death
you said picollo was weaker than raditz because his power level was 400, while not understanding picollo and goku can vary thier ki (see picture above)
you said "Raditz far surpasses the casual ki blasts that can vaporize the moon by piccolo.", while not realizing that same raditz was not able to destroy some moutains surface with his strongest attack
You said "Raditz has a higher power level than piccolo unless Piccolo charges his energy for minutes at a time." while not understanding his base power level is irrelevant because of """"""ki control""""""'
Whatever helps you sleep at night. keep coping
Still projecting...
Arguing with you seems to be a waste of time, you don't even understand any of the claims you've been making
Still can't comprehend the concepts of max power and ki control lmao.
Cool, ki control is a thing and just makes that attack by Raditz one of those "can" moments like you said earlier ;)
Still can't understand ki control.
>Literally can't accept facts happening on screen. Malding from it
>Literally denies facts that happened in reality.
I know you like to project your bad argumentation onto others but maybe learn to accept objective facts that happened before trying to argue hmm ;)
Performing the feat on panel, with multiple other people around your level performing the same feat and even direct guidebook statements is fan fiction now LMAOOO
There’s a reason why you’re the only genius arguing for it being an outlier in this thread. This will probably be locked soon
"everyone agrees with me, therefore I must be right"
This is your headcannon, you have no evidence to support this.
What's your evidence for it being only mountain level? If ki control can make it those "can" moments like you said earlier, what evidence do you have that it was only mountain level?
outlier meaning it is not consistent with what was shown in the series. I have proven a thousand times how it's an outlier, but I'm not suprised, it'd only take someone with a goldfish-level attention span to believe such fanfiction about picollo being a moonbuster.
You can scroll through the thread if you actually want "proof", or... you could just actually watch dbz, instead of copy and pasting dumb arguments you saw online
You have not, you have simply repeated debunked logic exactly as a flat earther would ;). I understand coming to terms with reality is hard, but it's not impossible even for someone like you. Oh and any "inconsistency" you can find can be easily explained away via ki control. Simple logic I know.
You provided no proof since any instance you showed can be explained via ki control ;)
Not relevant to my point again....
Actually it is relevant since that is your point. So I repeat, do you think Frieza and Kaido are only rock level? Actually I don't need you to answer since you already said SSJ2 Gohan is building level lmao.
For smeone that likes to talk about "consistency," you sure have a lot of issues with placing characters consistently ;)
LMAO. Even you yourself doesn't understand the concept of ki control you've been shouting about
same thing with @comicvinepoozer1. You people don't even know anything about the series you're arguing for, but think you can convince me raditz is somehow a moon buster
>Literally shows once again they don't know the series and can't use basic logic. Yeah they used their ki control to suppress their power before, but that doesn't mean they don't have a max power level each lmao. That max power was in the 400's for each of them unless using ki blasts to amp themselves.
You: "Yes and Raditz has a higher power level than piccolo unless Piccolo charges his energy for minutes at a time."
Incorrect. Raditz's power level wasn't shown in the series, and secondly picollos power level was only "low" because of """ki control""" (the same shit you were shouting about, but somehow doesn't understand)
>Literally doesn't know the difference between the concepts of "ki control" and "max power" lmao. Piccolo's max power was around the 400's to his stats oh and Raditz PL have been confirmed through multiple sources.
You: "This is also patently not true since Raditz is tanking those ki blasts with his physical durability alone."
Incorrect. He never tanked any blast by picollo with physical durability,
Objectively false:
he had an armour even he stated he would have been killed by picollos attack had not worn that armour
Cool special beam canon isn't relevant to my point. Learn to read ;)
Proving again... you don't know wtf you're talking about
Man you really do love projecting huh ;)
You literally spent the whole thread talking about ki control, while demonstrating little grasp about it.
>Literally couldn't even differentiate between controlling their ki and releasing their max power lol.
picollos power level increasing while performing the light of death
you said picollo was weaker than raditz because his power level was 400, while not understanding picollo and goku can vary thier ki (see picture above)
you said "Raditz far surpasses the casual ki blasts that can vaporize the moon by piccolo.", while not realizing that same raditz was not able to destroy some moutains surface with his strongest attack
You said "Raditz has a higher power level than piccolo unless Piccolo charges his energy for minutes at a time." while not understanding his base power level is irrelevant because of """"""ki control""""""'
Whatever helps you sleep at night. keep coping
Still projecting...
Arguing with you seems to be a waste of time, you don't even understand any of the claims you've been making
Still can't comprehend the concepts of max power and ki control lmao.
Cool, ki control is a thing and just makes that attack by Raditz one of those "can" moments like you said earlier ;)
Still can't understand ki control.
>Literally can't accept facts happening on screen. Malding from it
>Literally denies facts that happened in reality.
I know you like to project your bad argumentation onto others but maybe learn to accept objective facts that happened before trying to argue hmm ;)
Woah. I've never seen a wall of headcannon of this level.
Everything you wrote here is basically fan-fiction that I have already debunked.
Please read the whole thread again, before making already-debunked-arguments
Performing the feat on panel, with multiple other people around your level performing the same feat and even direct guidebook statements is fan fiction now LMAOOO
There’s a reason why you’re the only genius arguing for it being an outlier in this thread. This will probably be locked soon
"everyone agrees with me, therefore I must be right"
Not surprised, I would do the same too if i got utterly destroyed for headcannon
secondly, mods have no reason to lock this thread, because its not a mismatch... so don't seethe too much
This is sad. Reading comprehension obviously isn’t a Strength of yours I never said I’m right because everyone agrees with me. Just stated that there’s a reason that you‘re the only one arguing it being an outlier. You’re the only one arguing it because you don’t understand what you’re talking about at all.
The fact is, multiple on panel feats, WOG, and guidebook statements are headcanon/fan fiction to you. And you believe that everyone else besides you in this thread have the attention span of a goldfish. You read manga like a coloring book
Performing the feat on panel, with multiple other people around your level performing the same feat and even direct guidebook statements is fan fiction now LMAOOO
There’s a reason why you’re the only genius arguing for it being an outlier in this thread. This will probably be locked soon
"everyone agrees with me, therefore I must be right"
Not surprised, I would do the same too if i got utterly destroyed for headcannon
secondly, mods have no reason to lock this thread, because its not a mismatch... so don't seethe too much
This is sad. Reading comprehension obviously isn’t a Strength of yours
I never said I’m right because everyone agrees with me. Just stated that there’s a reason that you‘re the only one arguing it being an outlier. You’re the only one arguing it because you don’t understand what you’re talking about at all.
The fact is,
multiple on panel feats, WOG, and guidebook statements are headcanon/fan fiction to you. And you believe that everyone else besides you in this thread have the attention span of a goldfish. You read manga like a coloring book
i don't know what I'm talking about, but i still manhandled you in a debate, and used your own headcannon to destroy you.
the panels feats and wog agree with me, read the thread again you're the only one spitting headcannons
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