Raditz (DBZ) vs Gear 4th Luffy

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Poll Raditz (DBZ) vs Gear 4th Luffy (68 votes)

luffy 19%
raditz 81%

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Rules

  • Raditz Lands in the one piece verse with the aim of annihilating it, it is only luffy left to defend it.
  • Both of them are bloodlusted, all morals off.
  • Luffy starts the fight in Gear 4th.
  • The version of raditz is from the beginning of dbz, and he goes all out from the beginning of the fight
  • Fight to death
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Raditz gives him boros moon kick treatment.

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Oh brother

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Raditz still moonbusts the verse

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Raditz still solo the verse

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@paxa: how is raditz a moon buster?

i don't recall him busting any moons (at least, the version that was specified (

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#11  Edited By Arthur_Morgan

@saboyaba: BoZ piccolo who is fodder to raditz busted a moon. And a few dbs chapters ago , fodder who fought fodder saiyan’s destroyed one , too.

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Luffy should win due to Toon Force and Ryuo.

Worn Off Kaido almost knocking out and bleeding Luffy should've been forgotten.

Island Peace solos.

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@saboyaba: BoZ piccolo who is fodder to raditz busted a moon. And a few dbs chapters ago , fodder who fought fodder saiyan’s destroyed one , too.

woah! there's a lot to unpack here.

And a few dbs chapters ago , fodder who fought fodder saiyan’s destroyed one , too.

dbs is no relevant here. the thread stated early dbz raditz.

BoZ piccolo who is fodder to raditz busted a moon

Yes. But was scared of an attack that barely destroyed some mountains.

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That same attack is still raditz best feat.

On the moon thing, even roshi was able to destroy the moon back in early db.

The same roshi that was completely destroyed by king picollo whose best feat was destroying a stadium level city.

It's either those two situations are outliers, or the dragonball moon is actually very tiny.

it being tiny is also plausible since in the picollo moon busting scan, you can clearly see the craters on the moon, which would normally require binoculars to see.

This implies their moon is very tiny and close to earth, but that's a whole other can of worms

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#14  Edited By aggrape

This is what happens when people that know nothing about Dragonball make threads. Read up on ki control before debating Dragonball

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@aggrape:

i don't see how that affects any argument made

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Raditz still stomps fodder verse

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@saboyaba said:
@arthur_morgan said:

@saboyaba: BoZ piccolo who is fodder to raditz busted a moon. And a few dbs chapters ago , fodder who fought fodder saiyan’s destroyed one , too.

woah! there's a lot to unpack here.

And a few dbs chapters ago , fodder who fought fodder saiyan’s destroyed one , too.

dbs is no relevant here. the thread stated early dbz raditz.

BoZ piccolo who is fodder to raditz busted a moon

Yes. But was scared of an attack that barely destroyed some mountains.

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That same attack is still raditz best feat.

On the moon thing, even roshi was able to destroy the moon back in early db.

The same roshi that was completely destroyed by king picollo whose best feat was destroying a stadium level city.

It's either those two situations are outliers, or the dragonball moon is actually very tiny.

it being tiny is also plausible since in the picollo moon busting scan, you can clearly see the craters on the moon, which would normally require binoculars to see.

This implies their moon is very tiny and close to earth, but that's a whole other can of worms

Its simple.Raditz>>>>BoZ Piccolo who did this

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@paxa said:
@saboyaba said:
@arthur_morgan said:

@saboyaba: BoZ piccolo who is fodder to raditz busted a moon. And a few dbs chapters ago , fodder who fought fodder saiyan’s destroyed one , too.

woah! there's a lot to unpack here.

And a few dbs chapters ago , fodder who fought fodder saiyan’s destroyed one , too.

dbs is no relevant here. the thread stated early dbz raditz.

BoZ piccolo who is fodder to raditz busted a moon

Yes. But was scared of an attack that barely destroyed some mountains.

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That same attack is still raditz best feat.

On the moon thing, even roshi was able to destroy the moon back in early db.

The same roshi that was completely destroyed by king picollo whose best feat was destroying a stadium level city.

It's either those two situations are outliers, or the dragonball moon is actually very tiny.

it being tiny is also plausible since in the picollo moon busting scan, you can clearly see the craters on the moon, which would normally require binoculars to see.

This implies their moon is very tiny and close to earth, but that's a whole other can of worms

Its simple.Raditz>>>>BoZ Piccolo who did this

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And his best attack (which scared the heck outa picollo) was only able to do this

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Raditz royally stomps any version of Luffy.

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Another DB brick solos the verse.

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#21  Edited By Koose104

Raditz blows up the moon and Luffy gets a heart attack and and dies

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Mismatch . Raditz babyshakes

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#25  Edited By saboyaba

i **love** how nobody can actually debunk my points.

just vague condescension, and "he solos because i think he does", without elaborating further

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#26  Edited By Wabubub

Raditz gets blitzed and one shot. His striking power is below current Luffy's and he isn't tanking a haki infused hit.

Ki blasts =/= physicals

It is amazing the things you can see if you actually read Dragon Ball, guys.

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Raditz

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#28  Edited By DaddyPrometheus

This is what would happen:

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Even if Luffy's faster he can't do anything. Gap in durability and power is enormous

Raditz wins

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@saboyaba: ah , you are that type of debater. The type that needs Toriyama to tell him.

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raditz oneshots fairy tail

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@saboyaba: Ki control. Doesn’t need to be as bad to mean it’s as powerful. Hence why there’s a difference between the terms “attack potency” and “destructive capacity.” Piccolo casually moon busts and Raditz is stronger than piccolo. Therefore Raditz is above moon busting.

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@arthur_morgan:

toriyama had already told me raditz is max a mountain surface buster.

you're the type of debater that prefers to believe fan fiction over what toriyama has already shown

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@hybrid101:

1 - Raditz is not stronger than picollo, he got killed by picollo in the first place.

2 - The level of ki is directly correlated with the power level.

raditz kamhehameha was barely able to destroy some mountains surface, that same kamahameha was able to nosell gokus strongest attack, and goku had the same power level with picollo...

and this was a much stronger version of picollo than the base picollo that destroyed the moon.

face it, its either the moon thing is an outlier, or dragonball moons are tiny, like I've already explained

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@saboyaba: 1) Yes he is, it’s directly stated and shown he is stronger than piccolo. Piccolo beat him through a technique of being able to charge and condense large amounts of power in, and was only able to do so after minutes of charging. Raditz far surpasses the casual ki blasts that can vaporize the moon by piccolo.

2) Yes and Raditz has a higher power level than piccolo unless Piccolo charges his energy for minutes at a time.

As I already described that’s ki control. Attack potency and destructive capacity are not the same so your point becomes invalid on that basis alone.

Face it, attack potency and destructive capacity are not the same. Or are you under the impression that Kaido and Big Mom are only rock level at best since they’ve punched straight into the ground and it only resulted in a couple of small rocks being destroyed.

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#38  Edited By Ninelven

Raditz is too slow and won't be able to hit Luffy who beats Raditz to a pulp with his way superior physicals.

As already said here, Ki blasts =/= physicals

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@ninelven: This is also patently not true since Raditz is tanking those ki blasts with his physical durability alone.

His ki, the very same thing that amps his physicals.

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@saboyaba said:

i **love** how nobody can actually debunk my points.

just vague condescension, and "he solos because i think he does", without elaborating further

We have three different instances of someone weaker than Raditz destroying a moon. We have a statement stating that teen Goku Could destroy the moon. Not only is it never stated that the moon is smaller or closer, Toriyama himself stated that the moon is the same distance from earth as in real life when asked. We have Vegeta who can destroy earth and his power level scales pretty well to Piccolo being able to destroy a moon.
it being an outlier is completely head canon based on nothing. Those attacks you showed only destroyed mountains for the same reason that other attacks from characters a million times stronger than those versions only destroyed mountains. Ki control

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@hybrid101:

"Yes he is, it’s directly stated and shown he is stronger than piccolo."

no. he was directly stated and shown to be weaker than picollo:

- he was killed by picollos light of death

- he stated multiple times that light of death was able to kill him

"Piccolo beat him through a technique of being able to charge and condense large amounts of power in, and was only able to do so after minutes of charging"

that's literally how light of death works........

"Raditz far surpasses the casual ki blasts that can vaporize the moon by piccolo."

yes. and his best attack was only able to destroy some mountains surfaces.

thanks for proving my point. /argument

"As I already described that’s ki control. Attack potency and destructive capacity are not the same so your point becomes invalid on that basis alone."

you've been shouting this since the beginning of the thread, you have yet to show how it counters my point. I'll copy and paste it again for you to read this time

""""raditz kamhehameha was barely able to destroy some mountains surface, that same kamahameha was able to nosell gokus strongest attack, and goku had the same power level with picollo...

and this was a much stronger version of picollo than the base picollo that destroyed the moon."""""

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raditz sneezes and accidently destroys wano with luffy, big meme and kaido in it.

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@hybrid101: Raditz official power level is 1500, a famer has 5.

Thus Raditz is officially only 300 times stronger than a farmer, great physicals.

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@comicvinepoozer1: @comicvinepoozer1:

"We have three different instances of someone weaker than Raditz destroying a moon."

No you don't....

"We have a statement stating that teen Goku Could destroy the moon."

this never happened. the same kid goku that almost died from some nukes? the same kid goku that couldn't beat a wall level robot? the same kid goku that got knocked out by a bullet? the same kid goku that struggled to carry a fucking rock?

thats the same kid goku able to destroy the moon? don't make me laugh

"Not only is it never stated that the moon is smaller or closer, Toriyama himself stated that the moon is the same distance from earth as in real life when asked"

irrelevant since it is directly contradicted in the series. we have

- early db master roshi being able to casually destroy the moon. that same roshi was no match for king picollo whose strongest attack was only able to destroy a stadium sized city.

- early dbz picollo being able to casually destroy the moon, while a much stronger and bloodlusted version of him got nosold by a mountain surface level raditz.

its either those two instances are outliers or the moon is fucking tiny, which is also a decent explanation as I've have explained in my previous post (we can literally see the craters on the moon, which will normally require high power binoculars; that tells you all you need to know about its size)

"We have Vegeta who can destroy earth and his power level scales pretty well to Piccolo being able to destroy a moon."

no it doesn't.

"it being an outlier is completely head canon based on nothing. Those attacks you showed only destroyed mountains for the same reason that other attacks from characters a million times stronger than those versions only destroyed mountains. Ki control"

picollo being a moon buster is what is headcannon.

a higher power level picollo kamehameha got nosold by raditz, whose best attack was only able to destroy some mountains surface.

can you coherently describe how "ki control" contradicts this? dont just say "trust me bro it was ki control", as far as im concerned ki control supports my argument

picollo is not a moon buster, niether is raditz

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Man,CV getting worse each day passed

Piccolo busted a Moon,this OP nerd legit disagree with on-screen feats.Lets go

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@saboyaba said:

@hybrid101:

- he was killed by picollos light of death

- he stated multiple times that light of death was able to kill him

Cool, special beam canon isn't what destroyed the moon though, a casual beam blast was, which Raditz no sells.

that's literally how light of death works........

Cool, special beam canon didn't destroy the moon though.

yes. and his best attack was only able to destroy some mountains surfaces.

thanks for proving my point. /argument

Ok and? That doesn't mean the attack was only mountain level.

Thanks for showing my point ;)

you've been shouting this since the beginning of the thread, you have yet to show how it counters my point. I'll copy and paste it again for you to read this time

Simple, they can control their ki so the power of the attack can be way higher than the damage done to the environment. Get it?

""""raditz kamhehameha was barely able to destroy some mountains surface, that same kamahameha was able to nosell gokus strongest attack, and goku had the same power level with picollo...

and this was a much stronger version of picollo than the base picollo that destroyed the moon."""""

Ok then, let's apply this standard to one piece ;)

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Kaido's strongest hits are barely able to damage a couple rocks. So Kaido's barely even rock level was able to kill Luffy. The same rock level Luffy that was able to hurt Kaido. The strongest, One Piece is bareky rock level so piccolo still eviscerates ;)

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#48  Edited By Hybrid101

@ninelven: Who says it's a linear increase? Especially early on?

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@saboyaba: you’re coping like crazy

1. Yes we do. Roshi, piccolo, random fodder cerelean.

2. Notice how I said Teen Goku. Not that what you were saying was relevant anyway

3. You can’t be serious?? Piccolo was not stronger during the Raditz fight than after it. You’re either being purposely dense or you ready manga like a coloring book. In what possible way was he stronger

4. Coping like crazy. But I’ll bite, give me a sec

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@saboyaba: btw, so let me ask you something then. Why is that characters much stronger than planet level create attacks that explode at building level. Are you implying that those are building level attacks??!