Rachel Summers vs Aquaman (2 Rounds)

Rules

•Round 1: AvX Rachel (Tk only) vs Rebirth Aquaman (Physical Abilities and Trident Only)

•Round 2: Askani/Current Rachel vs Post-Crisis Aquaman (All powers)

•No Phoenix

•Setting: Providence (Those uncertain what this is, it’s basically a floating island above the South Pacific Ocean)

Honestly unless Arthur blitzes , I'm leaning towards Rachel both rounds

Arthur's strength in both incarnations is questionable and usually tops out at either WW or MMH levels but is inconsistent on most days so its hard to factor in.

R1- Rebirth Arthur is already crazy durable, and if he gets the right Trident then we've got a solid counter to Rachel's shields and range attacks. If Arthur gets into the water then it's a stalemate slightly in Arthurs favor....

That said, it's a chit ton of "If"

Rachel has a clear advantage with her only true loss condition being if she tries to close combat Arthur, especially if it's at or around water.

R2- TP makes this a no contest. Scaling alone puts Rachel in a different league...but her actual TP feats make this a no contest. Rachel stomps.

Does aquaman get his n52 feats since it's the same Aquaman as rebirth or no?

If so Aquaman has the stats to blitz and one shot although that assumes Rachel doesn't hit his ass with a brain blast, granted Aquaman has pretty good telepathic resistance so 🤷

What puts Rachel above Arthur in TP? Arthur has a handful of planetary-level feats, and some of him being at MMH's level. Also, there's the basal ganglia seizure

Aqua blitz and oneshots

Her psi bolts as a child were comparable to Prof. X,

She tanked a surprise psi attack from a guy capable of manipulating over 2 billion minds at once and then laid him out with a psibolt. Later split her power in half with Rogue and enslaved his mind and used it as a supercomputer.

She's one shotted Psylocke, Xavier Jr, and Quentin Quire (all very powerful psychics) with psibolts leaving them either bloody or unconscious.

Left Teen Stryfe (supposedly the most powerful telepath to walk the Earth) a bloody mess...

Broke into and enslaved the mind of the Morrigan, the Irish goddess of death, war and witchcraft.

Destroyed a city's worth of NanoSentinels....attempting to use telepathy on just 1 Nano Sentinel send a backlash back that KO'd planet level psychics previously.

And when she actually fought Prof. Xavier their mental clash was strong enough that it sent debris flying everywhere on the battlefield.

And that's just combat stuff..... non combat includes everything from astral projecting across 2 galaxys, helping to bridge a gap across realities that supposedly 40 telepaths couldn't do working together, scanning and cataloging the actions of everyone on the entire planet in seconds.

Arthur's not matching her....more distinctly he's not tanking her TP offense.

Aquaman can win R1 in a very close fight. Rachel wins R2

1. I understood this was only Mother Askani Rachel.
2. None of those feats are actually above Aquaman's pre 52 TP showings. Aquaman has feats of outperforming MMH - as in literally doing what Martian Manhunter couldn't.

3. The only leaguer that resisted the Trans, when even MMH couldn't.

And, with all of that, you didn't show any response to the basal Ganglia seizure Aquaman can induce. That bypasses TP resistance.

Now, i still think Askani Rachel should be winning, just saying that one needs to know what Aquaman can do too.

1- None of that is Mother Askani, just Rachel at base levels...... What the OP meant was that Rachel's current codename is Askani.....if this was Mother Askani it would be an entirely different breed of curbstomp since she exist outside of time, is immortal via her followers and can open portals to other realities and timelines....

2- Most of that is above Pre-52 Arthur's showings because he doesn't directly scale to J'onn, he just has feats that skirt him....aside from 1 or 2 things his feats over J'onn are usually "i have a special connection J'onn doesn't have" or "J'onn didn't try this oddly specific strategy". What I was referencing with Rachel was power an attack feats, of which he'd struggle to defend against.

3- I...what? Dude, when he "resisted" the Trans it was just an echo from their attack in Spectre's mind, whereas J'onn was directly connected to Spectre and was only struggling to break their connection.....unless your talking about later on when MMH & the Justice League were attacked.....in which case Batman was resisting as well by that logic.....This is what I mean when I say that most of his feats involving J'onn tend to just skirt by him as opposed to being direct...at no point were they under the same attack, and when J'onn was attacked it was by direct version rather then the indirect "echo" that Arthur resisted.

As for the basal ganglia seizure....its essentially telepathic motor control. In DC that's impressive....in Marvel not so much, especially with regards to X-Men telepaths. The X-Men's training telepaths have controlled people's heartbeats and neurosystem to the point of making recently dead bodies continue to or begin to function again and exhibited control over there bodies physical functions to protect from both psychic and chemical effects.....so while it's unheard of in DC, it's much more common in the Marvel Universe, specifically among Rachel's peers and students and would likely be defended against easily.

I like to think I'm pretty familiar with PC Aquaman having done alot of back reading on his solos and the Justice League and become enough of a fan that I read everything he featured in from N52 to current....so i'm not coming out of nowhere when I say that it's a wash in Rachel's favor.

@koays: Oh, i knew of how powerful Rachel was, but I didn't know about their neurosystem TP attacks. Yeah, it's a wash.

Aquaman stomps easy.