Qui-Gon Jinn (TPM) and Anakin Skywalker (AotC) vs Count Dooku (AotC)

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#1  Edited By the_wspanialy  Online

Qui-Gon Jinn and Anakin Skywalker

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Count Dooku

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Rules:

  • Anakin does not behave like an idiot and does not charge recklessly at Dooku. Other than that, everyone is in character.
  • Perfect cooperation for Qui-Gon and Anakin.
  • Qui-Gon and Dooku have knowledge about each other from their time as master-apprientace, Anakin have knowledge about Dooku from Qui-Gon, Dooku has no knowledge about Anakin.
  • Canon and Legends feats apply.
  • Standard equipment.
  • Vicory by incapacitation or death.
  • The fight takes place in Dooku's hangar on Geonosis. Simply replace Obi-Wan with Qui-Gon.
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#4  Edited By WollfMyth209

You can make the very real argument that AotC Obi is on Jinn's level, so I don't think the outcome this time will be much different than what we saw in the duel on Geonosis.

Dooku takes it.

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Dooku

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Jinn's insight of Dooku's form should leave him in a better state than Obi-Wan's turn with Dooku. With Qui-Gon's more commanding presence over Anakin, whom he would be more inclined to listen to, the combined forces of the Jedi might be enough to save a win or two.

But in the end, the Count wins.

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Dooku stomps.

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#8  Edited By Greysentinel365

Shockingly when you downgrade the combatants they do worse.

Dooku plays with his food for a bit then dispatches Anakin and reminisces with Qui-Gon for a bit.

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Dooku works harder than he did before, but still wins

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Dooku beats TCW Obi Wan and Anakin who are strictly superior to this duo. I don't see how this is far

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@lubub55 said:

Dooku stomps.

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Dooku didn't stomp Obi-Wan/Anakin, I don't see why he'd stomp these two.

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@old_blighty: By "stomp", I usually don't mean it in the traditional sense of the fight being over in seconds, and usually use it interchangeably with solid victory. I think the fight will last about the same length of time Dooku's fight in AOTC did if not slightly longer, but I don't think the end result is particularly debatable.

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The Count.

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@lubub55:

Untraditional stomping? I do agree with your latter point. This really isn't something that should be debated. I think Jinn + AOTC Obi would be more interesting.

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Considering the first stipulation, I think that the team would defeat Dooku. Jinn himself was considered one of the best duelists in the Jedi Order, which I don't think that anyone here is taking into consideration. Also, he was a master of being in the moment, in the Living Force, which I think is equally important.

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@old_blighty: Uh, he did stomp Obi and Anakin. After the fight you can see he even looks disappointed at how easy the fight was.

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Dooku, casually.

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#18  Edited By Old_Blighty

@laurus said:

@old_blighty: Uh, he did stomp Obi and Anakin. After the fight you can see he even looks disappointed at how easy the fight was.

How disappointed he looked doesn't constitute a stomp. Stomping someone is usually beating someone extremely quick and casually. The fight lasted over 2 minutes and Dooku clearly didn't accomplish what he wanted (he tried killing Obi-Wan at the middle, failed). I think you should really brush up on your terminology. It was in no way one-sided enough for it to be a stomp.

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Dooku, casually.

Oh, for crying out loud....The match lasted over 2 minutes FFS. How is this casual? Did he yawn during? Did he take out his IPhone Sith and start playing angry birds? Nope. If he beat them both like he dealt with Anankin at the beginning (and actually beat Anakin fully at the beginning), then yes. That would have been him winning casually. But it isn't not how the fight went. God its annoying when people can't see these things for themselves. It's like explain the difference between bullet timing and bullet dodging.

RedHeathen

Considering the first stipulation, I think that the team would defeat Dooku. Jinn himself was considered one of the best duelists in the Jedi Order, which I don't think that anyone here is taking into consideration. Also, he was a master of being in the moment

We are; we just realise that Dooku was still better than Jiin and that this really isn't a two on one. If Jinn was there the same thing would happen. Anakin would rush in like a dumbass. Anakin would be taken out like a dumbass. The two better fighters would square up. The better fighter would win (again, Dooku). Anakin would rush in, do better than before, then lose his arm. Again.

It makes very little difference if it is Jinn or Kenobi. The fact that they have an idiot teammate is what makes this fight the same. BTW, Obi-Wan had a more defensive fighting style, so it's arguable that the fight ends even quicker.

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@old_blighty: A stomp institutes how easy the fight was, not how quick it was.

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Yeah Dooku

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#21  Edited By HitTheAssasin

Dooku wins solidly.

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Dooku takes this.

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@laurus said:

@old_blighty: A stomp institutes how easy the fight was, not how quick it was.

Stomping is short for curb stomping. Curb stomping is having someone bite the pavement/sidewalk and proceeding to stomp on their head. It is an extremely quick, brutal and demoralising act of power. The Dooku fight does not constitute a stomp. Dooku proved he was superior to each Jedi individually, but was never flippant, and never rag dolled either of them. The fight was nowhere near as one sided, or hopeless as you are making it out to be.

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@old_blighty: Literally the first thing he did was ragdoll Anakin. He beat Obi and Anakin whilst toying with them, taunting them, and utterly shaming them.

OT: A better match up would be Obi-Wan (RotS) and Qui-gon.

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@laurus:

He didn't rag doll Anakin, he took him out of the fight with lightning. And it is hard to really tell how serious he was being with them individually. Dun Möch is a weapon of the Sith after all.

I also think ROTS Obi-Wan may be jumping a little too high, too fast. I'd suggest AOTC Obi and Jinn, first. It feels like a more natural progression.

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#27  Edited By G_Race

A slightly longer fight with more dialogue and dramatic expressions of regret from the Count. Dooku is still the better duelist, he taught QGJ & that goes a long way. Dooku is still the superior force wielder. Dooku has active and recent intent to to end lives without remorse, or hesitation. Anakin would be more cautious under QGJ's watchfull eye, but would still get taken advantage of experience wise, and lose a limb, or life.

Its Dooku 9.5/10 (the.5 being the living force connection speaking VERY loudly to QGJ)

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Nothing would change. Dooku would win handily.

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#29  Edited By alextheboss

Dooku after a hard fight.

Also people seem to keep forgetting Dooku didn't fight Obi-wan and Anakin at the same time in ep2. If they fought together with good teamwork they would of gave him a run for his money.

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#30  Edited By G_Race

@alextheboss: So sort of like the battle that happened in ROTS? Where Dooku handily contained Kenobi (QGJ Level or more), had them separated with moderate difficulty, and was handling a raged Anakin until Palpy put him over the top? That sort of teamwork with improved abilities?

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@g_race: Kenobi had to be taken out due to plot. The novel even says Dooku resorted to that because he couldn't penetrate Kenobi's defense in saber combat.

Dooku taking Kenobi out like that and Mace beating Palpatine are two of the biggest PIS moments imo, though Palp could of been holding back.

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Team stomps

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Wasn't a major reason why QGJ lost in TPM because he was in an enclosed space against Maul and that didn't work well for Ataru users? This hanger seems like a pretty open area(just look at the stuff Yoda did lol) so it would favor QGJ's Ataru and it might make him able to put up a decent fight against Dooku. If Anakin is cooperating then they would have a good chance of winning.

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Shockingly when you downgrade the combatants they do worse.

Dooku plays with his food for a bit then dispatches Anakin and reminisces with Qui-Gon for a bit.

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Shockingly when you downgrade the combatants they do worse.

Dooku plays with his food for a bit then dispatches Anakin and reminisces with Qui-Gon for a bit.

Pretty much, yeah.

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@greysentinel365 said:

Shockingly when you downgrade the combatants they do worse.

Dooku plays with his food for a bit then dispatches Anakin and reminisces with Qui-Gon for a bit.

Pretty much, yeah.

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If this is AotC Dooku, he loses.

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Dooku ,of course. Anakin would challenge him ,like he did in aotc ,but he’s ultimately not dooku’s equal by any means. Jinn really is no match for dooku,considering that obi wan by the time of tpm was stated to be “quicker “ than him.