Pure HTT Tourney: Noobmaster2001 vs mrsyg (CLOSED: Noob is DQ'd)

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Young Avengers

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Bio: Erik Josten was once an American soldier turned mercenary. While in South America he stumbled upon the lab of Baron Zemo, who had used this lab to create the ionic superhero called Wonder man. While in the lab, the Thor villain known as Enchantress convinced Erik to take part in the experiment which transformed him into Power man. After multiple fights with people like the Avengers, Spider-man and Luke Cage, Erik changed his name from Power man to Smuggler and then finally, Goliath. Years later, Erik was recruited into the Thunderbolts (actually the Avengers villains, the Masters of Evil in disguise) as Atlas, where he had eventually turned over a new leaf and became a full on superhero. Leaving his past as villain behind him.

If it wasn't already clear, Atlas possesses immense super human strength, invulnerability and the ability to alter his size thanks to being mutated by Pym particles. One thing that is very unique about Atlas comes from his ionic being. What this basically means is that he is an energy being that doesn't need to breath. Which means that if someone like Mysterio would attempt to knock out Atlas with gas, it wouldn't end well as it would have no effect.

Wonder man special #1

Atlas will be serving as the enforcer and muscle of my team and for 2 points, Atlas is a very solid brick. He's been stated to be one of the strongest people on the planet and that he's in the same weight class as Thor, Wonder man and Hercules.

Iron man #206

Him being very comparable to these three was more evident when he actually faced them.

Here, Goliath brutally beats Hercules (who admittedly was softened up from a fight with Tiger Shark, Wrecking Crew and Hyde) so much he appears to be KO'd and was later confirmed to be KO'd as he was beat on by Hyde and Wrecking Crew. This is pretty good and shows that Atlas is capable of brawling with your team.

Avengers #274

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As for Wonder man, Erik has had many runs in with him. Usually doing very well.

Here he pretty much dominates Wonder man.

West Coast Avengers #1

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And he does the same thing again.

Iron man annual #7

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Later on, Wonder man admitted that Goliath was his equal in strength.

Wonder man #1

And finally we have Thor, who Atlas has done decently well against. He managed to tank many hits from the guy (made even more impressive considering Thor was angry at Atlas for beating up Hercules)

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And to end things off, he's even restrained Namor with one hand.

New Thunderbolts #9

I don't really want this to turn into a respect thread, but I want to give people an idea of what Atlas is capable of and basically what my strategy and plan for him is. He's a pretty strong heavyweight that can cause problems and even stomp individual members of your team given the chance. Especially with Xemnu and Mandarin there to help him slow other members down, to give Erik the chance to pummel them. This will do it for now, although be warned there are more showings I haven't mentioned from Atlas.

Bio: Xemnu ''The Living Hulk'' was one of the many criminals on an exile world that was about to be imprisoned. However, he snuck past many guards and got onto a nearby ship. The ship didn't have enough power to take him the whole way home and he crashed on a planet, now known as Earth. His unconscious body was found by a electrician called Joe Harper. He was then brought to a workshop where Xemnu was revived by electrolysis. When revived Xemnu revealed his origins and took control of Harper via his mental powers (as well as the entire planet too) while Xemnu was sabotaged by Harper who purposefully sabotaged Xemnu's ship leaving him to fly around the sun, he would return to cause problems for many of Earth's heroes. The most common being the Hulk.

So as you can guess, Xemnu is one of my most valued members as he possesses incredibly powerful telepathic abilities. As far as I'm concerned he should be able to affect nearly everyone on your team (if not everyone) as he can take control of your team and have them fight each other or simply shut them down mentally. One of the best examples of Xemnu's TP is a recent example where he takes over the entire world for the very first time.

Journey into Mystery #62

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As you can see from the scans, this is a very impressive TP feat. After Xemnu was exiled from Earth, every single person forgot about it aside from Joe Harper who Xemnu removed from his TP and wanted to join him in space.

This wouldn't be the last time Xemnu would take control of people on the planet. Recently he performed one of his most impressive feats in rewriting the memories of everyone on Earth to forget that the Hulk existed and that Xemnu was the star of a series called ''Xemnu's magic planet'' this is obviously very impressive seeing as he made everyone on Marvel earth (aside from people like Savage Hulk)

Immortal Hulk #31

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Later on the series, Xemnu performs another extremely impressive feat of ''rewritting history'' as he alters the memories and events in the Marvel universe (like Xemnu founding the X-men, being a member of the Avengers etc) this is a very impressive and honestly I'm having a hard time not seeing your team be affected by this. This is surely one of the most powerful feats of telepathy and most, if not all of your team would be affected by this.

Immortal Hulk #32

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Next to finish this section off, Xemnu also displays an impressive telepathy + strength feat as it's stated that Colossunaut is the only one of the available X-men (which includes people like Emma Frost) capable of resisting Xemnu's telepathic power. Not only that, but it was also stated that Colossus needed help from Rulk (who had a device created to resist Xemnu's power) to restrain Xemnu.

Uncanny X-men #9

So to finish this short section on Xemnu off, he possess great stats + incredibly powerful telepathic abilities. Regardless of illusions cast from people like Mysterio, Xemnu should be able to control him and others as he was able to affect the memories of everyone on the planet numerous times. Not being able to see through Beck's illusions being is pretty irrelevant here as he's affected people numerous times without being able to see them. Cyborg Superman was recently affected mentally while in the Phantom zone with Eradicator, so Xemnu should be able to affect him with TP. Even if you prove he's immune, I have another way of taking him out via Mandarin that I'll get into later. Sabertooth, King Shark, Karnak based on what I can see will all be affected by this as they've never shown immunity on this level. Once again, there are more showings I could show, but we will get into that as the debate goes on.

Bio: The man known as the Mandarin was born in a small village in China, where he had spent his entire childhood doing forced labor. After the death of his mother, Mandarin killed her procurer, who he assumed was his father and delved into a life of crime. During the Communist revolution, the Mandarin had fled and became a fugitive. While on the run, Mandarin had found inside a cave in the Valley of spirits an alien spaceship, in which he found ten 10 small alien rings. Having spent loads of time mastering and learning more about the rings, his mind was tapped by the warrior spirits trapped in the rings. He then learned his real mission was to revive those dead warriors. Thus, the Mandarin was born!

Now if many of you don't know, Mandarin will be the sole versatility in my team and the one who I believe will cause the most problems for your team, especially since he's equipped with the lightspeed perk making him fast enough to tag anyone on your team. He has multiple forms of HAX at his disposal. Many of these would cause big problems for your team, like his freezing ray:

Iron man #100

Or his darkforce ring, which he can use to blind members on your team, like he's done to the Avengers:

Avengers #313

But most importantly, I think the ring that will prove most effective here is his matter arranger ring, which he's used to turn somebody into a beetle before:

Iron man #268

I think this ability would come in very handy in this battle, especially considering I don't think Cyborg Superman has any defense to being transmuted. Due to Mandarin having lightspeed here, he should be capable of tagging each member of team (and one-shotting most of them) its very in character for Mandarin to cycle through rings and even combine certain rings like he does here, when he combines the matter arranger ring + ice blast ring to dominate Radioactive man:

Iron man #180

I think its likely that Mandarin will eventually use the matter rearranger ring on Cyborg Superman after his other rings (like the impact beam ring, flame blast ring etc) won't work on the guy and he will resort to trying rings that will work. With light speed and with Xemnu+ Atlas, its very likely your team will have a lot to deal with and be overwhelmed. I normally would discuss other rings and abilities the Mandarin has, but to be honest I find these ones to be the most powerful and the key factor here. I'm not really sure if this ring would work on Firestorm, but Xemnu should be capable of taking him out.

Hank Henshaw was once a normal man with a normal life. He had a loving wife and all was good. He went on a space mission with her and some others, but they were exposed to cosmic radiation which turned them into upon their crash metahumans (Hmm, totally not a copy from other established characters). Anyway, the crash and the metahuman conflict brought attention to Superman, who basically came in the way of the group saving themselves from death. Anyway, the crew died, except for Henshaw. Henshaw got turned into an energy consciousness which means that he doesn't need to use a body anymore. He did build a body for himself with robotic parts, making himself resemble the Man of Steel. He became one of Superman's greatest enemies as the Cyborg Superman!

Cyborg Superman is very likely the biggest physical threat here. He has proven time and time again that his strength rivals, if not trumps, Superman;

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Scan 1 -2) Cyborg Superman easily stomps Supergirl, Eradicator, Steel and Superboy.

Scan 3 - 16) Cyborg Superman holds his own in an encounter with Doomsday.

Furthermore, there's statements that put him directly on the tier of Superman or even above that;

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Scan 1) Cyborg Superman states that he believes he is stronger than Post-Crisis Superman.

Scan 2) New 52 Superman acknowledges that Cyborg Superman is as strong and fast as he is.

Now that's established, let's move on to durability. This is one where I especially believe Cyborg Superman trumps everyone is this match. Cyborg Superman is sort of like Ultron. He's not a physical body, but rather a digital conscious or an energy being;

This can be used to inhabit different technological bodies, like ones he created himself;

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So even if you manage to destroy Henshaws body, he can always just create another with nearby materials, or move his conscious into a body into one he already created.

As for speed, I already mentioned and showed that Henshaw is essentially a better Superman in all categories, but for the sake of the argument, here's another example;

Henshaw lacks feats without rings, but he should logically be roughly the same speed as Superman is, which would most definetly mean that he's not getting statued by anyone on your team, Mandarin included. Rather, it means that Henshaw will statue most of yours.

Aside from the usual strength, speed, durability etc etc Henshaw also has Supermans heat vision and freeze breath;

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Scan 1) Cyborg Superman his freeze breath hurts Doomsday.

Scan 2) Cyborg Superman his heat vision nearly knocks Mongul out.

All in all, Cyborg Superman is a Superman-tier character in most stats except for durability where he trumps him by far.

What makes Henshaw a huge threat to Superman besides his physicals is his ability to manipulate technology to his will. He can use this ability for stuff like hacking but also in more offensive ways;

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Scan 1) Cyborg Superman controls over a billion technological life forms.

Scan 2) Cyborg Superman can hack into complicated technology like the Green Lantern power battery.

Considering that at this point there have been more canon incarnations of Firestorm than the years Frozen has been alive, I'll just do an origin of the Firestorm Matrix itself rather than go over one Firestorm specifically.

The Firestorm Matrix was created by Martin Stein, a highly intelligent professor working at a nuclear power plant. Stein wanted to prove the existence of the big bang by finding the spark that ignited it. He managed to do not only this, but also capture the spark. When edgy teens destroyed the nuclear power plant the spark became unstable and it exploded, and somehow, it fused Martin Stein and nearby teenager Ronnie Raymond into a single being; Firestorm, The Nuclear Man!

Anyway, what I think is important to note is that the tournament host has confirmed two separate important things regarding Firestorm here;

• Firestorm is a composite incarnation of all the canon, un-amped Firestorms. This means that I have access to every single feat of Ronnie, Jason, Martin, Mikhail and more.
• Between those incarnations, I can choose which personality "my" Firestorm has. This will be an important factor in the battle, which I will explain later.

I'd argue that Firestorm in composite is the most versatile character in this match by far. He possesses a wide variety of hax, but he also has the potential to hold his own in a physical encounter. Although it's not his strong suit, there's a couple of feats that make me believe he can tank powerful blows from Atlas or Xemnu. For example;

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Here the New 52 versions of Firestorm tank a city-block level explosion without damage. Note that these Firestorms are Jason Rusch and Ronnie Raymond separate. The combined version of the two is far more powerful than this, but lacks feats. Anyway, what I consider more important is speed;

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The first and the third scan show Firestorm travelling to space in seconds. For reference, it takes light 2.5 seconds to travel to the moon, something that Firestorm also did in a couple of seconds. Even with a lightspeed perk for Mandarin, Firestorm still won't get statued.

The second scan shows Firestorm casually reacting to Kid Flash, who, like the usual Flashes, also moves at insanely high speeds. All in all, Firestorm has very good reflexes and his travel speed is also quite good.

Firestorm's key power is the ability to manipulate matter;

Here Firestorm turns Killer Frost her H2O into plain H, which perfectly shows off his ability. This is just a small showing of his potency, but he has performed feats at way higher levels;

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Scan 1) Firestorm transmutates the Anti-Monitors helmet.

Scan 2) Firestorm states that he can turn the crust of the entire planet into water. While I normally don't take statements seriously, I feel like on this occasion Firestorm wouldn't try to inflate his capabilities.

While this type of transmutation is already powerful, it only really scratches the limit considering certain versions of Firestorm can also transmutate organic matter;

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Here we see Firestorm manipulating the atoms of the villain Multiplex, who can basically create living copies of himself. There's more statements and feats of this but I think this should prove his capability of doing this.

Firestorm has a wide variety of hax on top of the previously mentioned abilities, but there's only a couple that I want to point out here. If an ability will become an important factor in the debate. For now, just two;

Firestorm is capable of lowering his density, which can make him become intangible. As for the last ability I will go over, he can fire powerful energy blasts which are called "Fusion Blasts";

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Scan 1) Amazo uses Firestorms abilities to severly damage Superman.

Scan 2) Firestorm knocks back Superman with a fusion blast.

Scan 3) Firestorm states that he could nuke the threat at hand.

So essentially, energy blasts powerful enough to hurt Superman-tier beings.

Quentin Beck always had a love for movies. When he grew up he started to work at movie sets as a helping hand to people there. Despite his talent for special effects and stuff like that, he never really popped in the movie industry. When some random guy told him he should become a criminal, the madman actually did it. He designed a suit and several gadgets which turned him into Mysterio, the master of illusions!

Mysterio is the self-titled "Master of Illusions", and he proved that time and time again when fighting Spider-Man. Mysterio is only a small part of my strategy and team so I'm just dumping some scans here;

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Scan 1) Mysterio tricks Spider-Man and some of the Fantastic Four into fighting their teammates.

Scan 2) Mysterio tricks Logan and a couple of X-Men into thinking the dead fodder on the floor was him.

Point is, Mysterio is capable of fooling characters with enhanced senses like Spider-Man and Wolverine.

This is a pretty obvious one. My team will spend a short couple of minutes to introduce each other so that they know their powers and limits. No suprise there, but the next thing might be; Cyborg Superman and Firestorm will knock Mysterio and Sabretooth unconscious so that they won't be walking in their way in the upcoming battle. Cyborg Superman then absorbs Mysterio's illusion technology into his own body, making him the one who controls the visual of the battlefield.

MCU Karnak and DCEU King Shark Dream Team will then search a place to hide. They are simply too powerful for my opponent's team and it wouldn't be fun to use them. I rather have a competitive match. They will only show up in case Firestorm and Cyborg Superman lose the fight.

Of course I didn't pick Sabretooth for nothing. He has an use here. Now, as most people know, Sabretooth possesses an adamantium skeleton. While he is unconscious, Firestorm will use his ability of transmutation to turn Cyborg Supermans body into adamantium, making it even harder to destroy. Furthermore, he will make swords, knives, sharp projectiles etc. This provides my team with very dangerous weapons that would oneshot anyone on your team.

Now this may raise the question "How can Firestorm create an element he doesn't know"? Well, to do that, he has to learn the molecular structure of an object first. Lucky for me, Firestorm can see the chemical composition of objects when he sees it;

For the next 10 minutes, Cyborg Superman will train for a bit with the illusions. Like I mentioned before, he hacked the Green Lantern Corps central power battery in a couple of weeks. Illusion tech shouldn't take much more time than 5 minutes. So after these couple of minutes spend to fully control it, he will spread the illusions over Central Park and probably a bit outside of it too.

Then, Cyborg Superman will hack into all of the camera's and technology of New York and connect it to him. This means that when someone spawns into the battlefield, my team will instantly know the location and visuals of the opponents. This will also include Cyborg Superman either making or getting com links for himself and Firestorm so that Firestorm also knows it when the opposing team is spotted.

I should have 35 minutes left here, but I'll be leaving 5 minutes in case anything goes wrong. Never been a fan of tight schedules. Anyway, the last bit of my prep time will be both Firestorm and Cyborg Superman making 150 robotic fodders. These will be controlled by Cyborg Superman, ofcourse. To not go over the limits here I won't make all of the fodders Adamantium since I believe they would easily beat your team if that were the case. I do however give them Adamantium weapons.

This is just for my team to get ready to fight. The only thing really happening here is that Firestorm will become intangible and that Cyborg Superman will spread out some of the fodder across Central Park.

So essentially what will be on the battlefield after my hour of prep is this;

• An Adamantium Cyborg Superman equiped with even more Adamantium weapons.
• An intangible Firestorm equiped with Adamantium weapons.
• A battlefield full of illusions and stuff where nothing will be what it seems.
• 150 robotic constructs spread out on the battlefield equiped with Adamantium weapons.
• Every piece of tracking technology such as camera's and infrareds will belong to my team.

When you will spawn into the battlefield there will be illusions all over the place, which no one on your team can counter. You won't see my team or what the battlefield is at all. From then on it's all fairly simple.

The moment your team spawns on the battlefield Firestrom and Cyborg Superman will know due to the camera's and tech Cyborg Superman has hacked. Then both of them will travel towards your team. While your team is still spacing in illusion world, Firestorm will transmutate everyone on your team in ashes, and Cyborg Superman will take apart any mechanical parts your team may have. Before your team can react they are dead. The entire fight will be over in a second.

Now this may raise questions about Firestorms morality to do so. He's a superhero, and heroes don't kill. Well, as I've showed in the Firestorms introduction that I get to choose which personality Firestorm will get out of all of the hosts who have ever been apart of the Firestorm Matrix. This includes heroic characters we all know, but also Firestorms who, for example, are literal suicide bombs. Those would however not play well with Cyborg Superman in the prep time. So for my personality I will choose Pozhar. Pozhar is a heroic Firestorm in Post-Crisis, but in the New 52 he is a villain who has no problems with abusing his powers to kill whatsoever.

This is my opening strategy, but if you somehow get around it then I'm also pretty sure that I can beat your team in a physical encounter, especially with my Adamantium weapons and constructs. Only hope you have is hax from Xemnu and Mandarin but I will explain why that won't work in my counters section.

Alright, let's be honest here; Atlas will be a near non-factor. He is just a brick with size-shifting powers. He can't fly, while both of my team members can, and they both have ranged combat options to take him down if he manages to resist the transmutation somehow. He also has no counters to illusions at all so I doubt he's going to pull the win here. As for this;

One thing that is very unique about Atlas comes from his ionic being. What this basically means is that he is an energy being that doesn't need to breath. Which means that if someone like Mysterio would attempt to knock out Atlas with gas, it wouldn't end well as it would have no effect.

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Yeah I don't agree with this. Just because Wonder Man can doesn't mean Atlas can. Because from my knowledge, Wonder Man can't grow in size either. The fact that they are created by Pym Particles doesn't matter either as Pym Particles can give you a variety of powers such as size-control, density-control and enhanced physicals in general. Atlas only possesses the last of the three. Unless Atlas has a statement of him having the same exact same physiology as Wonder Man I'm not going with this.

Not that I was planning to use gas anyway, I just wanted to point this out.

Alright let's get the elephant out of the room here; Telepathy. Xemnu has a great reach with his power but I don't think it's enough to control either Firestorm or Cyborg Superman;

Cyborg Superman was recently affected mentally while in the Phantom zone with Eradicator, so Xemnu should be able to affect him with TP.

This was New 52 Cyborg Superman. In the New 52 he works completely different than in Post-Crisis. Instead of being an energy being Henshaw actually needed his physical body there. He still has hacking capabilities and such, but he can't rebuild himself with random technology on the battlefield. As for Post-Crisis, I wish Xemnu very good luck with mind-controlling an energy being.

As for Firestorm, he has decent defenses againt TP. He even managed to resist Martian Manhunter (who is also a planetary telepath, although not exactly on the level of Xemnu) from reading his mind, something significantly easier to do than mindcontrolling someone;

Plus, like I mentioned in my prep, Firestorm will start out phasing as a pre-cautionarry measure. And it seems like telepaths in the Marvel Universe often have trouble with intangible beings;

I'm not saying that Xemnu wouldn't be able to do TP intangible beings (although I think he does not have feats to do it either), but mind-controlling an intangible being who in solid state has already resisted mere mind reading from a planetary telepath? I don't think he can, and there's also another thing.

Now this one is more of a theory, but Martian Manhunter might not have been able to TP Firestorm due to the complexity of the Firestorm Matrix. Two people sharing one brain might have been too much for him. But now, with a composite, there's literally dozens of people in the Matrix all sharing the same brain. This might increase the complexity of using TP on Firestorm. This isn't confirmed though, so ignore this if you want. It's just something I wanted out there to increase the resistance here.

Anyway, I'd say this is enough to tell that both Firestorm and Cyborg Superman will not by mindcontrolled by Xemnu here, as powerful as he may be.

Mandarin might be your best card in this fight especially with his lightspeed perk, but that does not mean that he will be a huge problem here. He still needs to see through the illusions to know what is going on, and he doesn't have a counter for this as far as I know. Anyway, for the sake of counters I'll counter this as if he would be capable of aiming in the right direction.

Many of these would cause big problems for your team, like his freezing ray:

Iron man #100

Yeah, this won't be much of a problem. Firestorm could change the ice to water like I have already shown in the Firestorm part. A robot like Cyborg Superman also won't really be affected by freezing, especially since he could just take over a fodder construct equiped with the weapons to free himself or just continue to fight.

Or his darkforce ring, which he can use to blind members on your team, like he's done to the Avengers:

Avengers #313

Cyborg Superman doesn't have human eyes so this won't work on him, and while Firestorm doesn't have an explicit counter to this, I don't think it's in character to use mid-battle for Mandarin considering the only example you have shown is for a getaway.

But most importantly, I think the ring that will prove most effective here is his matter arranger ring, which he's used to turn somebody into a beetle before:

Iron man #268

I think this ability would come in very handy in this battle, especially considering I don't think Cyborg Superman has any defense to being transmuted. Due to Mandarin having lightspeed here, he should be capable of tagging each member of team (and one-shotting most of them)

Once again I'd love to see Mandarin transmutating an energy being. If he transmutates the body Cyborg Superman cn just move to another body. As for Firestorm, his transmutation powers are far above Mandarin's if the best he could do was change some random dude into a beetle, and while he does not have an explicit counter to it, it's pretty much an NLF argument to say that Mandarin can transmutate a being as complex as Firestorm.

I think its likely that Mandarin will eventually use the matter rearranger ring on Cyborg Superman after his other rings (like the impact beam ring, flame blast ring etc) won't work on the guy and he will resort to trying rings that will work. With light speed and with Xemnu+ Atlas, its very likely your team will have a lot to deal with and be overwhelmed. I normally would discuss other rings and abilities the Mandarin has, but to be honest I find these ones to be the most powerful and the key factor here. I'm not really sure if this ring would work on Firestorm, but Xemnu should be capable of taking him out.

Like I said, if Mandarin uses the matter manipulation ring on Cyborg Superman, Henshaw will just find another body to use. Not like Mandarin will get to hit anyone with the ring anyway considering he won't even see where who is. He'll get oneshotted by any attack from anyone on my team as I have seen 0 physical feats for him yet.