Your team are educated in their powers by a full knowledge Batman and Reed Richards for 15 minutes before the fight starts. Either or not you gain or lose anything by this is up to you.
Boomer Frozen:
One of your characters becomes a pensioner physically. This is up to your choosing but they must obviously be effected by it in the first place.
Monster Reborn:
One of your characters (your choice) can resurrect themselves or someone else once during the fight.
Rumble in the Jungle:
One of your characters of choice gets some undercooked meat for a pre-match snack and gets chronic stomach issues and food poisoning. Either or not this will effect your plans is up to you......
teleportation (3) and invisibility (2) for Wolverine
Rules
Win by Death, Incap, or KO. BFR is not allowed.
Standard Gear.
8 character points.
12 Prep points.
Nothing too vague and/or confusing. Your opponent does need to understand what your character is supposed to do, after all. This is a general rule meant for stuff that relies on obfuscation (I.E lots of colourful language) or overly complicated mechanics.
No reality-warping and/or any attempts to cheaply get past this with semantics (bro it's totally spatial manipulation tho, not reality warping at all nuh huh).
No Power Stealing/sealing/draining.
No speed stealing.
No time manipulation.
Summons, constructs, or other fodder are limited to 150. All summons working together should be able to hinder, but not easily defeat the opposing team. They cannot be amped either.
Cloning is limited to 10.
Character Requests are completely fine! But I will require a (cited) RT to judge. Anything less than at least a vast majority of feats covered will be automatically rejected, no ifs or buts.
Characters cannot be amped beyond a 5 pointer. They also can't be faster than LS in speed in general even without amps, but this is just in case.
My tourneys also follow a Zero Tolerance Policy: any attempt to deceive or hide power levels from myself, being overly toxic in debates or just being a general annoyance will get you booted out very quickly.
Location
616 Manhattan, unoccupied. Both teams start at opposite ends of Central Park.
Posts should come out every 14 or so days unless a reason is stated beforehand. No excuses otherwise.
Monica's power is that she always moves at lightspeed and from sabotage Throg will also move at lightspeed. Monica has said that America Chavez is the first person that's ever moved while she was in her light form.
The Ultimates vol 2 #1
Monica has been on plenty of teams with Thor, encountered Wolverine, and Loki is of course no faster than Thor. This means that literally none of your team will ever move from Throg or Monica's perspective. To make it extra clear, here's a direct comparison of Thor and Monica's speed. In Avengers #281, Thor attempts to tag Hermes, which he struggles with(also why Hermes isn't aware of him).
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Meanwhile in the same issue Monica completely statues him.
With Batman/Richard's training Monica and Throg will be using their speed to great effect and as well all know... statues don't fight back.
So now we just gotta talk about how we kill your team, which both Throg and Monica can do by themselves. First for Throg, who hits harder than Thor. For example in Asgardians of the Galaxy #1, Throg stomps a bunch of Kronans, blowing holes in them.
Kronans are the first villains that Thor ever faced in Journey into Mystery #83, and Thor struggled to damage them
This is pretty consistent too as this event is referenced in Planet Hulk, where Korg says that Thor could only get a few chips from him.
Incredible Hulk vol 3 #94
At lightspeed Throg would only hit harder and since Raj's team is completely statued they can't do anything about it. Meanwhile Monica can use her powers to destroy a planet by bullrushing.
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Captain America and the Mighty Avengers #9
Or she can fry your synapses like she did to Thanos, which would become more likely after training with Batman and Reed.
Thanos resisted it, but well... you're not Thanos.
At the cost of poisoning RajjarsAlt, who is currently incapacitated by consuming vast quantities of pure and utter bait, all champions have been spared the consumption of the undercooked meat.
That said, the champions are able to eat raw and/or poisoned meat, have done so before, and have had no ills from it.
Thor
Except for Thor. Thor, the Thunder-Bringer, the Lightning-Giver, Thor, who spoke with war's rumble, Thor, whose hammer drinks blood, Thor, who knows no fear.
Thor meets the charge of Gilgamesh. Gil says that Thor is atleast his equal and that he has lifted the Earth once, which got him confused for the Titan Atlas, who holds up the Axis Mundi.
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Thor has lifted Jormungand, the Midgard Serpent, as he coiled around the Earth. Jormungand has also admitted that Thor, under normal circumstances, is his equal in strength.
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Which is interesting, as the snake bears the strength to crush the entire Earth. It was Thor's strength that saved the planet from a grisly demise.
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Thor and Hercules clasp their hands together, generating enough pressure between them to knock the planet under them out of orbit. It is said that they could continue this for centuries.
Thor ties a planet-sized ship to his hammer and sends it flying across space.
Thor and Hercules exchange blows with arms said to contain enough power between them to destroy worlds. This reasoning is why the meeting of said arms is able to close a bridge that links worlds together.
Thor curves his arm across his body to pick up Mjolnir and then raises it to slay Umar's construct. This is impressive because Thor was encased in a small forcefield that packed the weight of a score (conventionally, 20) of planets upon his body.
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Thor is subjected to gravity akin to that of a neutron star, and overcomes it.
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Thor nearly split Earth in two while having sex with Zephyr.
Thor is subjected to gravity akin to that of a neutron star, and overcomes it.
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Thor survives the Collector detonating a solar system level bomb in front of him. As the blast dwarfed the actual ship, which was bigger than a small solar system, I think it's fair to put the explosion at that level.
Thor survives an explosion point-blank after it starts to tear apart the Sun, sending him all the way to Old Asgard.
Thor tanks getting hit by a concentrated beam consisting of the energy of an exploding sun
Thor survives being blasted by Loki through Nidavellir's crust and into the waters of Ymir-Krul.
Why is this good? Because the waters are particulary potent here. In fact, they boil off the flesh of Eitri, Brokk, and Buri.
These are the eldest and greatest among the dwarf-smiths. And not only in talent, but in feats as well.
Brokk and Eitri together are capable of lifting the Mjolnir Mold, which is crafted from the heart of a sun.
In fact, Eitri had pounded the core of this star into the shape of a workable mold via manual labor. I'd also like to add that Brokk and Buri are capable of lifting it together as well, especially as Eitri is hammering away.
Such a daunting task released such violent energy that it shook the cosmos all the way to Asgard (Remember what I said about how shockwaves propagating in spacetime take a $hit ton of energy? Apply it here.) and sent meteors catapulting all across the World Tree itself.
It's implied that the Chixculub meteor is the one that bounces off Eitri's face and does absolutely no damage. I don't want to make a talking point of this, so I'll let Jason Aaron describe it instead.
Still, that's not all. It's not even the fact that they came in contact with the most compressed region of the star and forged not just the mold, but Mjolnir itself. It's the fact that the star itself exploded as they were forging its core, and they bloody survived.
And that's why the water of Ymir-Krul are so powerful. That is why Thor is so powerful.
But I'm not done.
Thor survives a blast that blows off the top of Ymir-Krul.
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Thor even survives the collision of the different creations of Mjolnir-Mold against Mjolnir, cracking it. This involves the pickaxe of Fenrir, and the knuckledusters of Ulik.
Thor even survives the Mjolnir explosion, which is another clash, but joined by Hyrm the Giant, Keeper of Naglfar, with all three creations clashing right onto Mjolnir. This shatters Hyrm's mallet, cracks Ulik's knuckleduster, and obliterates Ymir-Krul.
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Now, you might be wondering why I keep saying Ymir-Krul over and over again. That's the name of the dwarvish stronghold is in. But it earned that name for a reason. Ymir-Krul means Ymir's Skull. And that means alot in the Asgardian mythos - he was the first being, the mightiest of giants, etc etc, and that was fashioned from his bones and thought impregnable by pretty much everyone. Ymir-Krul also had a door made of the bones of Fin Fang Foom, and there wasn't anything left of that either. It's fair to say Ymir is an equal to Surtur, and he's pretty much no-sold a blast from the Cosmic Cannon in Asgard's arsenal while fighting Surtur.
Moreover, Ymir-Krul sustained indirect shock from Surtur going ham on the Mjolnir Mold, shaking all the worlds in the process.
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And sure, it suffered some cracks. But keep in mind how little that damage is relative to being completely obliterated. Also note that Surtur took a decent amount of time to forge all those weapons, and it was only until Loki and co. arrived to ruin peoples' days that Ymir-Krul started cracking. And Surtur was still forging those weapons synchronously during said invasion; it cuts to a shot of Muspelheim where he's doing exactly that after we hear the shockwaves from his activity. And it's not like this is ludricous at all. Surtur, who later boasted that combat with him could destroy the stars, immediately recognized afterwards that Mjolnir can kill him. So it's not really ridiculous for Mjolnir's explosion to blow Ymir's skull to smithereens.
And it's not like Mjolnir's durability isn't that high anyway. Here it withstands an explosion that dwarfs entire stars.
Mjolnir can withstand a mystical burst that sends shock across all of reality, rivalling the Big Bang itself in force.
You thought you would get away with perk stealing, huh?
In any case, Thor's speed can be employed to very destructive effect. Witness as he flies so fast that he generates shock within the fabric of space-itself, causing asteroids far away from him to shatter. Assuming the wave propagates uniformly (it has to, propagating through rock is way easier and requires nigh-infinitely less energy than propagating through space), this would be massively destructive. It would destroy a solid rock large enough to encompass the distance between Thor and those asteroids, and then some. The pull of his attacks caused such gravitational lensing that the stars themselves flickered.
The best part about all this is that he's not even hitting anything!.
Therefore, I feel it is reasonable that the IMᚦ, or Infinite Mass Thor, is accurate with the ratings and phenomena related to this situation and the contextual limiters of the tournament.
Now, I'm not gonna cross-scale, but to emphasize how impressive this is, it would be better to employ lesser usages that are more recognized in fiction. This substantiation is from a scientific perspective and the consideration of the absence of Massjolnir.
For example, you can see Wally West hit with the mass of a white dwarf star and of a small moon.
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Superman himself blows up the Moon's shadow as it moved at nearly 1% of the speed of light.
I hope these emphasize the impressiveness of these sort of feats. But I'll take it simple. Combat speed is the speed at which you fight, the speed at which you actually make your blows.
I hope this will clear doubt on whether or not Thor could swing Mjolnir at the speed of light, considering he has swung in excess of it. So the swing done will cap at the SoL and not exceed it.
It's even referred as Thor makes a downward swing on Phoenix Force Emma Frost.
Storm's a-brewin'
Thor is the Thunder God. He wields the hammer Mjolnir, the greatest weapon of the gods. He storms with divine energies that can be used to great effect.
Thor summons a cosmic storm capable of shaking entire worlds. And he focuses it all with one thunderbolt at a single small point denoted by iKoL, which blows a hole through thicker, denser spacetime linking the borders of the World Tree to wherever Odin sent Heven to.
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And Loki's right. The compression of energy from a storm of "little" intensity (shaking a planet) and wide area (the distance between planets) to great intensity (distorting spacetime) and narrow area (that encompassed by the human fingertip) creates tremendous pressure, as implied by Loki and consistently reinforced in the visuals. And it is accurate with real life phenomena - storms can rival and exceed nuclear bombs, but the reason you don't see such powerful visuals in a storm as you do in an atomic blast is because the intensity of the storm energy is weak, as it is dispersed widespread in its range.
But let's apply a bit of brutish nature to this aspect of Thor. As he hits Gorr, entire worlds end up shattering. But this is enhanced by Thor not hitting the worlds themselves, as it is the shock from his blows that travel through space and perform the work.
Due to the emptiness of space, this is quite laborious, and the implications of Thor's attacks actually accomplishing such destruction through the void itself give the Thunderer a lot of credit. To even crack a world from such distance - through such a medium - requires a monstrous level of power. But we knew that. Wielding Mjolnir, one could shatter entire planets as if they were pebbles.
Remember what I said about Infinite Mass Thor? The same principle is at work here - the only difference is that the waves are caused by the impact of Mjolnir on Gorr's body. These aren't your typical shockwave. They are gravitational in nature. Had it all been one giant-sized world to bridge the gap between them, Thor would have blown it to pieces easier. And that makes the Odinson most fearsome among the gods. Why? Well, let's see real life at work.
Sure, LIGO exaggerated the wobble for us to see the phenomenon more clearly. But the point is that the Earth survived these. That's unlike the situation with Thor, where the worlds are literally getting destroyed. The scale of the gravity waves denoted above is noted as miniscule. These are minor. And the energy requirement for what I just showed you? Think more or less on the line of one black hole colliding with another.
And range is a good point. It's range that grants Thor his best feats. But what can Thor do with range?
He can release a bolt that blows a hole through a ship bigger than a small solar system, traveling the breadth of said vessel while at it.
So there's that. But with all these high power feats, Thor needs something basic. A sort of staple that suggests he can maintain extended combat while performing at a notably impressive level. Well...
And I think this will suffice. Gullin the Boar God and Thor exchange planet-shattering blows over and over, and neither yields to the other's onslaught. And the endurance to perform on such a level of power is long-lasting indeed.
Thor shattered Yggdrasil's roots, wasted Jotunheim, flooded Earth, and even rampaged all across the universe for 40 days.
And he's even matched Odin Destroyer wielding the Odinsword forged from Draupnir forged by the sons of Ivaldi to rival the creations of Brokk, Eitri, and Buri etc, refusing to yield.
Let's go exotic, though.
Thor possesses the right of the Lorn Bolt, lightning that contains the energies of a dead star.
Thor throws Mjolnir, and makes a explosion of cosmic energy on a Phoenix Raptor that dwarfs planets.
And in the previous fight, he projects a cyclonic lightning blast that manages to hold it back for a while.
What's good about this scan is that before the fight, we got a very objective reference on the raptor's size.
So this raptor is a casual planet-buster. And Thor knocked it out. He does it with one throw of Mjolnir.
It even makes a large-country sized meteoric explosion upon landing before it eats the planet. This is also good reference for the size of the raptor, as the condensed form of one of its streaks that travels to the planet is far smaller than the full size of the firebird itself. And it would be considered defeated, as it sustained itself on that very same planet for a second wind against the Avengers.
Thor has also torn through Amatsu-Mikaboshi's body. Mikaboshi is better known as Chaos King, an avatar of Oblivion.
Wrestling with Surfer is a big deal. Just ask Morg.
Loki also slapped around Masterson Thor more than once. Masterson Thor was a beast especially at this time, wielding Mjolnir and matching Dargo Ktor with big bang level collisions.
And he's tanked a blow from Masterson Thor who was dual-wielding Mjolnir and Stormbreaker.
Masterson Thor claimed he needed to keep pounding away at Loki to take him out. Loki even reveals that he is fine and that such a blow could not have defeated him anyway. He calls the blow spineless and devious, which suggests he was taken off-guard by it. Even then, all of this has to be contextualized to Loki implying that he was listening to Masterson Thor's monologue, which means he was truly unaffected in operation, which is complemented by him spending that same time to perform dark magic off-screen.
Loki has even survived Necro-Ego tearing himself apart in an effort to kill him.
Power
Loki bears great power over sorcery. And power enough to power said sorcery. In fact, his power is so great that he can overwhelm the magics of the Hell Lord Seth in his own realm.
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His potency is of sufficient magnitude to one-shot Beta Ray Bill.
And he can wage hand to hand combat with it, disarming Masterson Thor of both Stormbreaker and Mjolnir.
As I mentioned before, Loki's was the power that blew through the top of Ymir-Krul, briefly KOed Thor, and killed the Enchantress as a side-effect of it hitting Thor.
Loki temp-KOs Dargo Ktor, Masterson Thor, and Beta Ray Bill with a single blast and TKs them away. He also force-chokes Zarrko.
Loki, while trying to gauge the power of Silver Surfer, manages to hobble him with a single blast. Loki also implies he could have slain him with a gesture.
Loki has sufficient power to harm Surtur himself.
Loki commands ice magics greater than that of the Jotnar. He reduces an off-guard Bor into snow. Bor even tells Odin that Loki is the most powerful sorcerer.
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And it's not like the Jotnar are fodder in the magical department. It's just that Bor, and by extension, Loki are just that good. The Casket of Ancient Winters is a good example of Jotun magic in this specific elemental department, and Skyrmir, or otherwise known more famously as Utgard-Loki, is a renowned Jotun magician capable of altering the size of the World Serpent Jormungand to that of a housecat.
Speed
Loki forms spells at the speed of his own thought. Innocuously, this just happens to be his heritage; ice magic. He can superfreeze the air around him to the extent that it can even deflect Mjolnir.
And it's provably fast, too. It's beyond all reckoning. It's faster than lightning.
Mind you, Loki can even think fast enough to stop light itself in its tracks. What's interesting is that he can change the nature of light as well, transforming it into a different wavelength and altering its direction with ease.
Versatility
Loki's powers can be employed to a diversity of effects.
For his body, he imbued him with magical properties that make him extremely difficult to kill.
For his mind, he is a powerful telepath. Look how he did against Odin All-Father.
And Loki can ensnare his opponents with the magic of chaos.
Loki can teleport in battle.
But as Thor is his ally here, Loki will tend to do something else. Call it the teleswap.
Loki can even raise the dead.
Loki can manipulate matter to a great degree.
Loki is like Midas w/ a glass touch instead of gold
Loki can freeze the air around his opponents as well.
Loki can magnify the effects of genes, which can amp the people who bear those genes to a great degree. A good example is turning Sandu, some telepathic fodder fortune teller, into a force that eclipsed Charles Xavier himself.
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As for Loki's own power, he is the expression of all Sandu could ever hope to be.
Loki can also duplicate himself. The effectiveness of this is well-tested against Surtur.
KevThr0g
Gear pre-empted a few arguments by immediately drawing a downscaling argument between Thor and Throg. I believe this is problematic.
First for Throg, who hits harder than Thor. Throg stomps a bunch of Kronans, blowing holes in them.
I'll elaborate on some physical relationships first.
Going by the size relationship between Thor and Throg, you couldn't say Throg hit harder than Thor here. Even with an assumption of equal striking generated against these different Kronans, Throg's smaller size would allow him to focus his damage on smaller portions of their bodies. Moreover, Throg's blows are performed with Frogjolnir, a small fraction of Mjolnir itself. Ergo, in its overall power, Mjolnir would be much greater than what Throg is throwing around. Finally, Throg's attacks were performed by bullrushing through the Kronans, and the second panel shows that lightning is circulating through their rocky flesh.
Kronans are the first villains that Thor ever faced in Journey into Mystery #83, and Thor struggled to damage them
Oh, hell no.
Blowing up a Kronan with a single punch, and on accident, is too much. Now I'll address your scaling.
What you've shown for Thor is Kronan's getting pieces of them blown off by being temporarily impacted by a spinning Mjolnir. As the panel indicates, the Kronans moved to engage Thor, but were rebuffed by a spinning Mjolnir, which kept them at bay. Thor was not directly engaging them. In fact, when he did pursue an assault, it was when they summoned their Mechano-Monster against Thor. The Kronans did not consider themselves capable of engaging Thor, they did not consider it possible for their containment system to be bent apart, they did not consider themselves capable of stopping Thor when their weapons were disabled, but they did believe that the Mechano-Monster would have exceeded Thor in combat right after all this happened.
This indicates that the Kronan mech is superior to the Kronans themselves, and it certainly is applicable because it met Thor in melee, and the stone men were confident that it could do that successfully after recognizing that they could not.
What happened then?
Yeah, this scared the Kronans all the way back to Saturn.
I think your tactic is a zero-sum tactic. As you focus in on these details for more precision, you sacrifice accuracy by neglecting the larger picture. I don't think your consistency appeal is in good faith because what you've shown in Planet Hulk is a recollection of the same event, the same feats.
Regardless, I think it's more than obvious that Thor wasn't using his full power. And it's especially relevant in the instance where he killed that Kronan on accident.
Valiant effort, nonetheless.
Anyway, Throg has already been beat by one of Foom's goons.
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Foom has already been slain by Thor, his bones battered and turned into an entrance of Ymir-Krul. As for Throg, this happens.
Without Frogjolnir, Throg will be helpless and deprived of the source of his power. Though I doubt it would last long against a far superior weapon of the Mjolnir Mold (ie Mjolnir itself). So Throg might just turn into regular ol' Puddlegulp due to his weapon getting destroyed anyway. Loki will get every opportunity to perform this as his energy blast + TK combo operates with enough power to actually affect Throgg. This is a likely scenario because Loki did such a thing due to his opponents wearing similar stuff to Thor, which annoyed him.
Throg is also scared of Jarnbjorn, which Loki can easily summon to the fight.
Monica has said that America Chavez is the first person that's ever moved while she was in her light form.
Monica has a pretty bad memory then.
here's a direct comparison of Thor and Monica's speed. In Avengers #281, Thor attempts to tag Hermes, which he struggles with(also why Hermes isn't aware of him).
Check this out.
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The nurse implies Thor would be fast enough to replicate Hermes's Hercules-napping within a minute. Considering the mechanics of that; it is definitely good credence for Thor/Hermes. But why is this the case? Well, think about it.
Assume you're with Cap, Rambeau, Iron Man, and the gang, and Herc's in the hospital. Take off, and then zip to the hospital, then kidnap Herc and get all the way to Olympus, and then return. Do it all in that timeframe. Light can circumnavigate Earth several times in a second, as it is ~300 megameters per second while Earth is 40~ megameters around. But to go all the way to Olympus...and to do it without detection...godspeed.
Also, Thor actually sees Hermes from several city blocks away, deep within the forest and pursues him. Monica was not able to see Hermes at all here.
Meanwhile in the same issue Monica completely statues him.
No, she does not. She reacts to him at the "last possible instant" to her alternate form to light. Hermes himself reacted "nearly as quickly" and kept running. Sure, she got to the building top faster than he did, but this has to be the poorest excuse of "statuing" I've ever seen.
Let it be known that if Thor wants to evade Monica, he will do as he has done before.
Behold!
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Plus, your own scan indicates Monica can't do much against such motions.
And while you may argue that Thor can't remove Monica to a battlefield, he can certainly remove Monica with a battlefield.
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Instead of keeping Monica away, Thor can utterly destroy her with portals. And Monica knows it will work. The only difference is that she will be dead before she can be removed, so gg. The ocean portal, or even the storm itself would be especially effective considering Monica's vulnerability to water environments - they cause her to lose cohesion.
Plus, Monica has significant trouble fighting when magic is involved.
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But this isn't just some ol' susceptability. She is afflicted in two particular ways.
a] her speed is reduced. It throws her off and she is not able to get up to speed per her own admission.
b] her attack power is weakened. She tries to put something down, it's not going down, and she'll exhaust herself trying due to the magical nature of her target. Hell, she had trouble recollecting her form from the assault, she was burning out, and it was not even winded per her own admission.
And the gods of Asgard are magic.
And Thor's lightning operates on a magical nature, which allows it to function as magical attack/counterattack. This doesn't seem to be intrinsic, but rather due to experience and growth.
In fact, when it comes to wielding storm magics, Thor is the patron god
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So...double jeopardy.
Plus, Monica has been effected by light attacks which Thor and even Loki can certainly emit in vast-ranging effect. What's interesting here is that in-character, if she still manages to survive the light assaults, Monica may push herself and adjust her wavelength to the same level of Loki's projection. But even if that happens, Loki can tear her apart and cast her gamma out. He's done it to the Hulk before. He's even done it to Immortal Hulk. What's even worse is that the nature of Monica's powers is more applicable to Loki's magic than Hulk's - the same scan where she engages Thanos indicates she is sentient light energy. And it's not even contingent on it being gamma energy, either. So on an in-character basis, Loki would realize what Monica's powers are and withdraw her essence like he did to the Hulk from the get-go.
Hell, even Thor could do that by absorbing her light into Mjolnir. Iron Man has done it to her twice, and what's interesting is that Thor's in-character tactic is to absorb and then release the energy violently and in even greater amounts as he did with Kang's powers. Thor's extent of energy manipulation is way beyond Monica's in this regard, as he replicated this technique on the galaxy level Null bomb of Rigel. The resulting blast pierced through a galaxy and ignited a dead star. I won't have to press this matter, as when a future Iron Man fought an Avengers line-up with Monica and Thor, he thought this:
But if you cannot consider the intent?
Dude absorbs Monica into his suit, and then blasts Thor with Monica. Thor is unharmed, which is honestly pretty memes, as the absorption-projection combo was enough to wear her out, reverting her back to human form and needing to recover.
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This means that both Thor absorption-projection and Loki's extraction-projection combos will work on Monica and render her vulnerable to getting fodderized. This also means that Monica can hit Thor as hard as she wants to the point she turns back to human form, and Thor will be fine.
She is still vulnerable to gravitational pull, which Thor has in spades.
Meanwhile Monica can use her powers to destroy a planet by bullrushing.
I'd like to point out that Monica did not carry that out, required special circumstances (universal destruction) to even consider doing it, never showed the will to use such a tactic, even when she had the perfect opportunity to do so. Even the success of her attack is pure hypotheticals and guesswork. And you know what? Thor has outperformed her here. As I showed with the Infinite Massjolnir, he's done the technique and he's shown greater levels of power with it, which means Thor's advantage here is cemented by things he has actually done.
Thor's willpower was unrivalled in this regard. It was even tested by All-Black the Necrosword eating its way into him, and he "thundered on and on" - Monica got contained in an opaque field far inferior to All-Black, and her conviction had already expired by that point.
One difference between Thor and Monica, though, is that Thor's levels of power exceed her's with and without speed in mind. Another is that using such a tactic is way more in-character for him than it is for Monica, which means that the presence of this argument legitimizes Thor doing the exact same. Even then, Thor can keep this up; he can dish it out and take it.
Plus, Thanos was weakened from being cast outside reality, Monica's internal attack game is weak sauce considering she's been inside two different variants of Iron Man and accomplished diddly squat. Scientifically her fry game is limited by her own power level, which sux. Thanos was also KOed by projecting an Anti-Man level field into his brain. Monica is obviously not on Anti-Man's level, let alone 3 times above it. But if you don't prefer scaling, I'll give you the quantified power of it - supernova/solar system level. Moreover, it was an energy opaque field. Monica needed to turn into gamma and merge with She-Hulk to break out of one forced onto them by Dr. Positron after neither of them were having any success getting out of it. Worse for her is that at right after she went "planetbusting mode" she got restrained by another energy-opaque field, so you can't really say that she could really muster up the power to break out of it, even if we ignored the mechanics of that technology. Loki's field of chaos would be a nightmare for her because atleast with a standard energy-opaque field she knows why she is crippled. But with Loki's field, the anti-logic and math is so far remove from her capability to counter. Not even Reed Richards could comprehend it, so why would she? And if he manipulated her polarity in his way, it would pretty much be equal to a standard energy-opaque field, except she would become the field. In short, she would keel over and die.
And Anti-Man's own creator has Worthy Thor above Blue Marvel, Hulk, Superman, Thanos etc etc. When he wrote Thor, he had him nearly kill Hulk in an encounter. Still, I feel your offense is a bit overrated relative to what my team has to offer. It's contingent on the speed of light, no? Well, look at Loki taking a relativistic attack from Mjolnir itself.
Of course, this assumes Monica can keep herself together while being altered in innumerable ways. But I haven't even talked about the way you have altered her. With the Boomer Frozen perk, you've slowed down Monica's capabilities to the biological levels of a boomer.
Cue scene:
So Monica won't be able to think, react, fight, etc at the optimal level you need to justify the material in your post. In fact, she will be regressed to a mental level where my arguments would come into play. Witness:
Wow, is that Thor getting his Mjolnir entrapped again? Guess it's a viable strat for Throg after all!
So you see?
Monica promises Thor to do her best. And yet still, her lack of brainpower inhibits her to the point where she thinks with her human brain, despite the mature of her powers. You could argue that she could do better in spite of her best efforts. You could suggest that this is not the case. But you yourself are to blame for reducing her brainpower to Frozen's level - to that of a BOOMer. You cannot make a case that she will perform faster than the slowness that you yourself have put upon her!
I honestly feel most of Raj's post was wasted, excluding some incredibly weak arguments relating to Loki which I'll go more into detail with later, he posted absolutely no speed feats to not be statued by my light speed team. So even if everything Raj said in his post was true - Raj's team would still easily lose. As a result I'm not going to counter every random feat Raj posted(Score of planets, really?), because that would take too long, so I'll focus on his arguments.
Throg vs Thor
Raj posted a bunch of feats for Thor as if Throg isn't directly more impressive than him and thus wouldn't just scale to those feats. Raj also tried to say Throg isn't more impressive, which is complete non sense and I have plenty more instances to show that he is.
Kronans
I wanted to start here, addressing your counter to the Kronan instance. Firstly
Blowing up a Kronan with a single punch, and on accident, is too much. Now I'll address your scaling.
This is a butchering of intent. The Kronan that Thor one-shot was altered, as can bee seen by the fact that they look absolutely nothing like the Kronans Thor fought originally or the ones that Throg stomped
Thor #482
Let's look at further intent from Thor #255 where Thor fights the Kronans again and once more fails to do any real damage to them with his full hammer swings, despite the fact that never happened according to you
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We should also note that even if Thor was superior to the Kronans in his original appearance, he absolutely failed to harm them and as told in Planet Hulk only took chips(Somehow you thought a kronan explicitly saying Thor couldn't hurt them was a debunk to me).
Magus
He no-sells Thor, Throg knocks him on his ass.
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Blake
Blake beat all of Asgard quite easily, adding all of their powers including Beta Ray Bill's(So Thor's) to his own. Throg with Lockjaw's help kicked his ass. I don't want to scandump, so his stompage of Asgard(also Red Novell of panel who = Thor) is in Thor vol 5 #10, but Throg kicks his ass in Thor vol 5 #12
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Inconsistency
Besides, discussing Thor's feats you've scan dumped a ton of stuff, but provided very little substance by ignoring Thor's inconsistency and actual style of fighting. For example you show Thor throwing a deviant out of the solar system(uncited of course, but it comes from Journey Into Mystery #90). However, in that same issue, Thor's mighty strength fails to break free of a magnet or a block of ice.
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Truly impressive
Basically spamming feats is not an argument or meaningful whatsoever as a character such as Thor is so inconsistent I can find just as many or more feats contradicting it.
Inconsistency also applies to Loki. You try to make him seem incredibly powerful, one shotting Bill, planet destroying power, yet he's so powerful he routinely gets his shit kicked in by Thor in fights. Just take this example from Thor vol 2 #81 where Thor without mjolnir beats the shit out of Loki and Fenris with mjolnirs.
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Loki has never been more powerful than Thor. He gets bullied by Throg and Monica worse than Thor does.
"Speed" lol
Raj's arguments for speed were frankly an embarrassment. There's a reason he took LS for Thor, it's because Thor is slow as shit as everyone knows. Just check out the overall overrated speed of Iron Man and Thor or GC's 80 page scan dump to see that clear as day.
Now, I'm not gonna cross-scale, but to emphasize how impressive this is, it would be better to employ lesser usages that are more recognized in fiction. This substantiation is from a scientific perspective and the consideration of the absence of Massjolnir.
Show one instance of Thor landing a bullrush at MFTL speeds(Note this doesn't exist, even bullrushing at MHS speed doesn't exist), or even an instance of his bullrush doing more damage than his regular attacks. You're scaling to other characters in other universes, which well... doesn't count.
I hope this will clear doubt on whether or not Thor could swing Mjolnir at the speed of light, considering he has swung in excess of it. So the swing done will cap at the SoL and not exceed it.
This is an embarrassing argument. This is how Thor time traveled in the 60s, by sitting there and swinging his hammer around by the base to reach LS speeds. He has never come close to fighting that fast.
Literally nothing here shows Thor moving at any combat speed and that is simply because no feats exist that wouldn't make him a statue. As for Loki your arguments might even be worse.
As I showed in the above section, Loki doesn't take Thor in fights, so clearly he's not any faster than him either. I don't think he'd let Thor beat the utter shit out of him if he could dodge at any point. Unfortunately you try to rely on pulling things Loki did 60 years ago and pretending they mean anything, but whatever I can address those too.
Loki forms spells at the speed of his own thought.
No he does it at the "speed of thought" which is meaningless in Marvel. In fact this reminds me of Revan's CaV with Loki where he directly pointed out that people like Corsair, a normal human, have their actions referred to as speed of thought in Marvel.
Very impressive!
And it's provably fast, too. It's beyond all reckoning. It's faster than lightning.
This proves nothing
Mind you, Loki can even think fast enough to stop light itself in its tracks. What's interesting is that he can change the nature of light as well, transforming it into a different wavelength and altering its direction with ease.
Cause he's in an astral form. The whole thing with thought being faster is that in an Astral form you can move incredibly fast, much faster than in a normal scenario. I know that you also know this from reading enough comics so you're either intentionally lying or just forgot.
Besides it's not like radio waves are the most reliable measure. Quicksilver has a radio waves feat, but I seriously doubt the validity of it considering it was considered an issue that he was on the other side of the planet.
Other Counters
Foom has already been slain by Thor, his bones battered and turned into an entrance of Ymir-Krul. As for Throg, this happens.
This is insanely stupid. You're using Loki blocking mjolnir when mjolnir was so unestablished that the only reason normal people couldn't lift it was just because of how heavy it was. Loki's also not reacting to shit.
Throg is also scared of Jarnbjorn, which Loki can easily summon to the fight.
Show me one time Loki's ever done this. You're fanfiction is ridicolous.
Clearly that makes the difference from being completely statued to fighting equally.
Monica has a pretty bad memory then.
For someone who supposedly believes in debating intent, it's ridiculous to throw away such a concrete statement, showing how fast Monica is relevant to everyone else(See quicksilver no surrender #1 for more of that), simply because you don't like it. Clearly Monica is supposed to be a tier ahead in speed.
No, she does not. She reacts to him at the "last possible instant" to her alternate form to light. Hermes himself reacted "nearly as quickly" and kept running. Sure, she got to the building top faster than he did, but this has to be the poorest excuse of "statuing" I've ever seen.
You're an idiot. Monica started by not moving and was at his destination far before him despite him running through her.\
Plus, your own scan indicates Monica can't do much against such motions.
Thor creates portals by spinning his hammer, it takes a long time. America Chavez used it by being actually fast enough to react to monica and making portals instantly. Stop being such a massive moron or just lying.
And while you may argue that Thor can't remove Monica to a battlefield, he can certainly remove Monica with a battlefield.
Monica could spend a year of time in her perspective and Thor wouldn't move, Thor's not doing anything.
Plus, Monica has significant trouble fighting when magic is involved.
It's not like Thor has a magic aura, he's just a god.
You're absorption arguments are dumb and shouldn't be taken seriously since Thor hasn't absorbed anything since Jurgens run in the early 2000s.
Conclusion
Statues still don't fight back. Monica and Throg completely statue Loki and Thor and you seem to have no disagreement with the idea of them being put down by Monica and Throg.
You just through a bunch of arguments and feats to see if any of it stuck, but all of it was dumb and irrelevant and none of it stuck.
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