The knives will also be plastic. I realize the toothpick was also plastic, but I don't believe what he did with that is close to physically possible. It's like the old "can Wolverine's claws harm Superman?" debate. He shouldn't have enough force to drive a plastic knife through a grown man's chest at any kind of distance. His eye, maybe. 3 grenades should be enough to take out most of the cafeteria, and Bullseye won't be able to get to all of them if they're spread. Frank is also more than experienced enough to time a grenade so that it will blow up in Bullseye's face. He should also be weighed down by that adamantium, but that doesn't seem to have happened, despite the fact that it causes Wolverine to weigh almost double what he would without it. Bullseye will have to avoid the explosions, and Frank can light him up with the machine gun while he dives for cover.
"The knives will also be plastic. I realize the toothpick was also plastic, but I don't believe what he did with that is close to physically possible. It's like the old "can Wolverine's claws harm Superman?" debate. He shouldn't have enough force to drive a plastic knife through a grown man's chest at any kind of distance. His eye, maybe. 3 grenades should be enough to take out most of the cafeteria, and Bullseye won't be able to get to all of them if they're spread. Frank is also more than experienced enough to time a grenade so that it will blow up in Bullseye's face. He should also be weighed down by that adamantium, but that doesn't seem to have happened, despite the fact that it causes Wolverine to weigh almost double what he would without it. Bullseye will have to avoid the explosions, and Frank can light him up with the machine gun while he dives for cover."
I completely agree with this except the adamantium part.Wolverine jumps higher with a full adamantium plated skeleton than people like Elektra who is an amazing acrobat but has regular bones.He doesn't ever seem to be weighed down at all and is strength really isn't superhuman.
Wolverine's healing factor is what allows him to compensate for the weight. The gorge jump scan is him without adamantium. The metal skeleton allows him a bit of superhuman strength, due to the fact that his muscles don't fatigue, and his skeleton can sustain a lot more pressure than mere bone, obviously. It still weighs him down in water, though, so it's definitely extra weight for someone like Bullseye.
" Wolverine's healing factor is what allows him to compensate for the weight. The gorge jump scan is him without adamantium. The metal skeleton allows him a bit of superhuman strength, due to the fact that his muscles don't fatigue, and his skeleton can sustain a lot more pressure than mere bone, obviously. It still weighs him down in water, though, so it's definitely extra weight for someone like Bullseye."
The first scan was really all I needed.Also..there is a thread about Wolverine's strength on CV..it's not superhuman,Cap lifts more than him.Also I don't see how his skeleton would allow him to jump higher..I always thought your muscles is what determines your vertical leap.
"The first scan was really all I needed.Also..there is a thread about Wolverine's strength on CV..it's not superhuman,Cap lifts more than him.Also I don't see how his skeleton would allow him to jump higher..I always thought your muscles is what determines your vertical leap."
The strain on his muscles from the adamantium causes them to strengthen. I also don't believe for a second that Cap lifts more than Logan. If memory serves, Logan is between 800lbs and 2 tons, while Cap is at 800.
"The first scan was really all I needed.Also..there is a thread about Wolverine's strength on CV..it's not superhuman,Cap lifts more than him.Also I don't see how his skeleton would allow him to jump higher..I always thought your muscles is what determines your vertical leap."
The strain on his muscles from the adamantium causes them to strengthen. I also don't believe for a second that Cap lifts more than Logan. If memory serves, Logan is between 800lbs and 2 tons, while Cap is at 800."
"Well, that's more than peak human. In any case, Wolverine does seem to possess a degree of super strength. But we're getting off track here."
Only point I was making is I don't think Bullseye will be held down by his adamantium spine...He actually shouldn't even been able to live through the procedure.He is still a exceptional acrobat,against Deadpool he showed some real acrobatic skill.
"Only point I was making is I don't think Bullseye will be held down by his adamantium spine...He actually shouldn't even been able to live through the procedure.He is still a exceptional acrobat,against Deadpool he showed some real acrobatic skill."
I realize it doesn't hold him down. To me, it simply defies logic, that's all. And not in the normal "comics always defy logic" way.
"Only point I was making is I don't think Bullseye will be held down by his adamantium spine...He actually shouldn't even been able to live through the procedure.He is still a exceptional acrobat,against Deadpool he showed some real acrobatic skill."
I realize it doesn't hold him down. To me, it simply defies logic, that's all. And not in the normal "comics always defy logic" way."
"lol Punisher smart? no way. He the type to go shoot first, ask questions later x10. Bullseye is way smarter but Bullseye would win. All he needs is one single shot. Thats all he needs and he wins. He does have unrivaled accuracy and Punisher is just human. Bullseye wins. "
Punisher is very smart. He is a tactical genius.
Bullseye's powers is to calculate vectors... exactly. so i don't see punisher's forfeit here
If he shoots first, that means Bullseye gets shot
Bullseye has dodged gunshots before, and with pillars inbetween as predicted in Gamblers picture, its more effective.
Bullseye is also "just human"
"Bullseye was recently inhanced by nanobots and has a adamantium spinal cord.
"And how smart does one have to be to know the geometrics to bounce off a toothpick from certain areas with the right amount of velocity, air pressure and the thickness of the windows to kill a woman? With a Toothpick from another building"
Pretty sure Bullseye doesn't do advanced trigonometry in his head. His abilities are intuitive.
Possible, but in the very same encounter as me and gambler posted, Bullseye outsmarted Punisher twice, tactically. He for once, counter sniped Punisher, and secondly, when punisher prepared himself for bullseye, he set a explosive to the place where Bullseye was supposed to be. (Bullseye on the other hand was prepared for it and held hostages.)
And this "Inuitive Ability" isn't that bad... "Peak-human Accuracy: Bullseye has no known superhuman powers. However, his uncanny ability to use virtually any common object as a lethal projectile actually makes him more dangerous than many characters who do have superhuman powers. Although he is not technically superhuman, Bullseye can accomplish many feats with thrown projectiles. He has demonstrated the ability to lacerate a person's throat with a thrown playing card, spit his own tooth through a human skull, toss a paper airplane to a distant rooftop, and kill a person with a toothpick thrown through a window from a hundred yards away. His innate ability to throw any projectile with great unerring accuracy and deadliness borders on the uncanny. Bullseye knows every pressure point and vulnerable spot on the human body and is able to turn virtually any object into a deadly weapon capable of incapacitating or killing an enemy. His accuracy when wielding an object the size and mass of a baseball is about one hundred feet. He can hurl such objects at around 105 miles per hour."
I'll disregard the other posts made by you because the scenario changed inbetween
Ah, more two-year old threads being bumped with one-word responses. Lester wins very, very easily if standard equipment is involved, and could proably win 5-6/10 in H2H.
" Punisher wouldn't stare down Bullseye, he'd just shoot him immediately, and move on. Frank is not known for his moments of weakness and hesitation, you know. "
" Punisher wouldn't stare down Bullseye, he'd just shoot him immediately, and move on. Frank is not known for his moments of weakness and hesitation, you know. "
This"
Lester walked away from multiple gunshots when Ronin invaded Avengers Tower.
" PunisherPunisher and Bullseye are serving sentences in Alcatraz when a break-out is started by some mobsters Bullseye trying to spring their boss who is also located in Alcatraz. In the ensuing confusion Punisher breaks into the armory and arms himself with a machone gun, two pistols, and three grenades. Coming out of the armory Castle eventually, after killing criminals left and right on his way out he finds Bullseye killing everyone left and right with pieces of food and silverware (he's stored several knives up his sleeves for later use) from the cafeteria and rather enjoying himself. They stare each other down as anyone with sense quickly vacates the cafeteria before they begin their fight. "
This set up is an absolute stomp in favor of Frank Castle. Frank is heavily armed, and Bullseye is armed with mere silverware and pieces of food.
" Punisher wouldn't stare down Bullseye, he'd just shoot him immediately, and move on. Frank is not known for his moments of weakness and hesitation, you know. "
This"
Lester walked away from multiple gunshots when Ronin invaded Avengers Tower. "
Saying he "walked away" can be very misleading. Despite his scattered adamantium bonding (skull, fists, spine, assorted parts yet to be detailed) he can't just get shot and then simply leave. He was downed by the attack and required medical attention (just like he does with other major injuries he's received--- which is a pretty big list).
" Punisher wouldn't stare down Bullseye, he'd just shoot him immediately, and move on. Frank is not known for his moments of weakness and hesitation, you know. "
This"
Lester walked away from multiple gunshots when Ronin invaded Avengers Tower. "
Saying he "walked away" can be very misleading. Despite his scattered adamantium bonding (skull, fists, spine, assorted parts yet to be detailed) he can't just get shot and then simply leave. He was downed by the attack and required medical attention (just like he does with other major injuries he's received--- which is a pretty big list). "
I hope you didn't get the impression that I think Lester literally got up and skipped on over back to his bedroom.
@The Mjolnir Wielder: I didn't, but using the phrase "walked away" from an attack could confuse some. As in he was able to recover and carry on on his own, when he requires extensive medical attention for such attacks and in debate, he'd surely lose from the injuries.
Close battle somewhat.. With the weapons you gave The Punisher I don't think Bullseye could get by with the win , Frank shoots him in a standoff . Althought Bullseye is smarter and has more skills than Frank Castle I don't see him plastering those knives in Franks forehead before Frank can pull the trigger on him.. The Punisher doesn't hesitate to shoot first think later so in the scenerio you have here The Punisher "Frank Castle" takes the Win ... Although in many other cases id say Bullseye takes out The Punisher because his superior skills & tactical abilities . . But if Frank is aligned directly across from Bullseye in a standoff with a machine gun & grenades No doubt he shoots down Bullseye
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