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#1 Posted by Namor_Curry (1729 posts) - - Show Bio

4 hours of prep time (No vehicles, back up of any kind, body armor stronger than their standard gear, or weapons deadlier than an assault rifle). Bloodlusted, Fight to the death. Fight begins at midnight on these rooftops (they are initially unaware of each other's presence, but know they're in the area):

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Who wins and why?

Round 1: Scenario Above

Round 2: Hand to Hand

Frank Castle

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#2 Posted by deactivated-5ad4cb41c7fb8 (3527 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Frank has no way to counter Bamtans prep via Superman prep.

Round 2: Batman speed-blitzes

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#3 Posted by Namor_Curry (1729 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Frank has no way to counter Bamtans prep via Superman prep.

Round 2: Batman speed-blitzes

What do you mean by superman prep? Did you read the OP? Also where has Bruce speed-blitzed in a lethal way that is something which Frank could not counter?

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#4 Edited by MystifiedGoose (150 posts) - - Show Bio

I've gotta give this to Bruce. He has considerably better tech in his standard loadout, and has fought more guys in cqc than Frank has shown. Frank is a good marksman, and has some really high level weapons, but it's not anything super far beyond what Batman's enemies had in the film.

H2H is hard to judge here. Frank has duked it out with DD, and come out on top. Bruce fought Superman, but he wont have that kind of gear in this encounter. He also didn't show very much in terms of martial prowess in that fight, and fighting groups of enemies isn't the same as a 1v1 with someone like Frank.

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#5 Posted by emperorthanos- (16568 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce both Rounds. He showed how good his prep is against Superman. And in pure H2H he should stomp.

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#6 Edited by LlehDevil (7259 posts) - - Show Bio

I can't see Frank losing the first round at all. He just get's a sniper and shoot's Batfleck in the jaw, they don't even start visible. Not only that but this Batman was hardly stealthy other than shooting a smoke bomb and running away.

Round 2 goes to Bruce.

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#7 Edited by deactivated-5ad4cb41c7fb8 (3527 posts) - - Show Bio

@namor_curry: Have you not watched the movie? Batman's plan in the movie was to take down Superman, and he nearly succeeded in doing that, so what puts Frank's prep at the same level as batman if he didn't show any major prep feats in the first place? Furthermore, what I mean by "speed-blitzing" was Batman moving so fast in combat or running he's practically a blur. (Clearing a room full of 10 guys in around 20-40 seconds)-yes i counted.

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#8 Edited by LlehDevil (7259 posts) - - Show Bio

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@namor_curry: Have you not watched the movie? Batman's plan in the movie was to do take superman, and he nearly succeeded in doing that, so what puts Frank's prep at the same level as batman if he didn't show any major prep feat in the first place? Furthermore, what I mean by "speed-blitzing" was Batman moving so fast in combat or running he's practically a blur. (Clearing a room full of 10 guys in around 20-40 seconds)-yes i counted.

They don't start visible, and Frank prepped when helping Daredevil take down Hand ninjas.

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#10 Posted by deactivated-5ad4cb41c7fb8 (3527 posts) - - Show Bio
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#11 Posted by lgh0stl (1333 posts) - - Show Bio

@normanbates: haven't you read the OP? Bruce can't bring what he brought to his fight with Superman.

4 hours of prep time (No vehicles, back up of any kind, body armor stronger than their standard gear, or weapons deadlier than an assault rifle). Bloodlusted, Fight to the death. Fight begins at midnight on these rooftops (they are initially unaware of each other's presence, but know they're in the area):

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#12 Posted by LlehDevil (7259 posts) - - Show Bio
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#13 Edited by Namor_Curry (1729 posts) - - Show Bio

@normanbates: Yes I've seen the movie, but read the OP. He's not going to have the insane amount of resources to throw on amped suits or the Batmobile etc.. I don't see what you mean. Also, Frank's every move in the DD series is prep. He's at least one step ahead of everything. I think if anything their prep is even, if not edge Punisher for having and using lethal military grade explosives. Sure Batman stuck the thugs protecting Martha with little explosives, but what about Frank blowing up gangs? Or his loaded money suitcase that cleaned out a parking lot?

Hand to hand, you say he's a blur, but he gets tagged all the same by common thugs, just as Punisher has (Who reacts to characters with the speed of Daredevil). Furthermore, I really doubt this fight would be resolved in the first hit.

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#14 Posted by Deranged Midget (18346 posts) - - Show Bio

How does Bruce's body armour react to shots from an AR? He already took a shot point blank to the back of the skull and it didn't even phase when he was fighting all of these goons. Nothing's stopping him from disabling Frank's rifle either. In general, Bruce seems to be a tank in terms of street level characters. On the other hand, Frank murdered half a dozen prisoners while taking a few hits himself in that prison corridor scene.

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#15 Posted by StormShadow_X (16766 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 - Depends who finds who first.

Round 2 - Bruce handily

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#16 Edited by Nefarious (35649 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Batman has better prep feats.

Round 2: Batman has better H2H skills so he wins.

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#17 Posted by LlehDevil (7259 posts) - - Show Bio

How does Bruce's body armour react to shots from an AR? He already took a shot point blank to the back of the skull and it didn't even phase when he was fighting all of these goons. Nothing's stopping him from disabling Frank's rifle either. In general, Bruce seems to be a tank in terms of street level characters. On the other hand, Frank murdered half a dozen prisoners while taking a few hits himself in that prison corridor scene.

No body armor stronger than their gear. Bruce is coming in prepped to fight a street-level opponent.

Second off, they're not starting visible, and last I checked he doesn't have night vision without his suit. Even if it take's two bullets to get a good shot on Bruce's jaw, game over.

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#18 Edited by Namor_Curry (1729 posts) - - Show Bio
@deranged_midget said:

How does Bruce's body armour react to shots from an AR? He already took a shot point blank to the back of the skull and it didn't even phase when he was fighting all of these goons. Nothing's stopping him from disabling Frank's rifle either. In general, Bruce seems to be a tank in terms of street level characters. On the other hand, Frank murdered half a dozen prisoners while taking a few hits himself in that prison corridor scene.

Also in that same scene, Batman got stabbed through his body armor. I'm not an expert, but an assault rifle, or a shotgun point blank would, at the very least K.O. Bruce. With Frank's marksmanship (purposely shooting less than an inch away from killing Murdock), I think he'd have no problem hitting the exposed cowl either. This poses the question of Frank's durability, of which we've seen him get shot, stabbed, and at one point take a drill through his foot and continue to fight, all when he didn't have body armor.

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#19 Posted by batofgotham2000 (447 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce stomps both rounds.

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#20 Posted by Klaus (2036 posts) - - Show Bio

@llehdevil: He is talking about Batman's standard body armour, not the robotic one. It is his standard gear.

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#21 Posted by LlehDevil (7259 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget:

@klaus said:

@llehdevil: He is talking about Batman's standard body armour, not the robotic one. It is his standard gear.

Fair enough! But his jaw is still very well exposed. Read Namor Curry's post, his accuracy is still really good.

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#22 Posted by bachh2 (927 posts) - - Show Bio

4 hour prep mean he can get the gear he have in Martha rescue scene except for the aircraft, Batfleck gonna take round 1.

Round 2 Frank is a tough bastard, the fight can go both way but leaning Bat

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#23 Edited by Sjrt7717 (2 posts) - - Show Bio

I think this looks a bit like a mismatch. I mean I'm up to being proven wrong, but in the BvS movie we see Batman pull off incredible feats. I mean he clears that room of what, 17 guys, when he's trying to save Martha, all of them armed. He kicked one of the guys a good seven or eight feet from kicking him in the head which takes an insane amount of force, so I definitely think he's taking the fist fight. He's got equipment, the strength, the speed and the skill. We seem him stealthing avoiding point blank shotgun fire from the police officers. His feats simply overwhelm any of Franks. In the first scenario, I'm probably still going to give it to Bruce. He shows he's shown he's incredibly good at planning for events, considering the whole beating superman thing. But thats just my two cents.

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#24 Edited by Deranged Midget (18346 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget said:

How does Bruce's body armour react to shots from an AR? He already took a shot point blank to the back of the skull and it didn't even phase when he was fighting all of these goons. Nothing's stopping him from disabling Frank's rifle either. In general, Bruce seems to be a tank in terms of street level characters. On the other hand, Frank murdered half a dozen prisoners while taking a few hits himself in that prison corridor scene.

Also in that same scene, Batman got stabbed through his body armor. I'm not an expert, but an assault rifle, or a shotgun point blank would, at the very least K.O. Bruce. With Frank's marksmanship (purposely shooting less than an inch away from killing Murdock), I think he'd have no problem hitting the exposed cowl either. This poses the question of Frank's durability, of which we've seen him get shot, stabbed, and at one point take a drill through his foot and continue to fight, all when he didn't have body armor.

I like your post, good job! Perhaps bloodlusted, Frank would be capable of killing Batman with a few kill shots to the chest. Realistically though, he had no idea Daredevil would've survived getting shot square in the forehead, but obviously that's all due to plot. Given that both characters have four hours of prep, I wouldn't count out either so easily as Bruce had a contingency for the armed men without planning ahead.

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#25 Posted by Blackjax137 (203 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman wins both rounds.

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#26 Posted by WarBlade539 (6217 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget said:

How does Bruce's body armour react to shots from an AR? He already took a shot point blank to the back of the skull and it didn't even phase when he was fighting all of these goons. Nothing's stopping him from disabling Frank's rifle either. In general, Bruce seems to be a tank in terms of street level characters. On the other hand, Frank murdered half a dozen prisoners while taking a few hits himself in that prison corridor scene.

Also in that same scene, Batman got stabbed through his body armor. I'm not an expert, but an assault rifle, or a shotgun point blank would, at the very least K.O. Bruce. With Frank's marksmanship (purposely shooting less than an inch away from killing Murdock), I think he'd have no problem hitting the exposed cowl either. This poses the question of Frank's durability, of which we've seen him get shot, stabbed, and at one point take a drill through his foot and continue to fight, all when he didn't have body armor.

Just because a material is ballistic-resistant, doesn't necessarily mean that it is stab-resistant too. The design of ballistic-resistant vests as opposed to stab-resistant vests is different.

Bullet-resistant armor uses hardened panels and Kevlar fibres to redirect and spread out, the kinetic energy of a bullet.They are mostly protecting against blunt trauma (compared to knives) because lead bullets tend to flatten on impact. Whereas stab-resistant vests are made up of several layers of strong material, which allow the blade to cut through the surface and get trapped within the thick layers.

What I'm trying to say is, bullets and knives are two two different kinds of attacks, and an armor designed to protect against bullets will not be very effective against knives and vice versa. In real life, at least, I dunno the material of Batman's armor.

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#27 Posted by WarBlade539 (6217 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman wins imo. Faster, stronger...just a better and more impressive combatant. Only way Frank wins the first round is if he shoots the exposed part of Wayne's face before Bats gets to him. No way Castle wins the second.

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#28 Posted by Sjrt7717 (2 posts) - - Show Bio

We see him get stabbed in the upper chest in the movie, so it's obviously not very effective at stopping knives. That being said, he was being attacked by four separate guys who were surrounding him and he was using his gauntlets to block pretty much all of them while taking them down. So he may not have a knife proof suit, but he certainly has shown a high degree of proficiency in dealing with guys armed with knives. Especially considering they were all attacking him at the same time.

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#29 Posted by CRUSHYOURENEMIES (2571 posts) - - Show Bio

@normanbates said:

Round 1: Frank has no way to counter Bamtans prep via Superman prep.

Round 2: Batman speed-blitzes

What do you mean by superman prep? Did you read the OP? Also where has Bruce speed-blitzed in a lethal way that is something which Frank could not counter?

don't be naive. Batman was practically superhuman. He was throwing thugs around like they were small puppies and even tossed a 200 lbs crate with one damn hand.

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#30 Posted by arqe (792 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman both rounds easily.

First round starts with prep time and they are not visible to each other ? Police knew he was around but couldn't even see him hanging above the corner.

Martha Saving Scene : Mercenaries that still have working guns were still shooting down the hole where Batman jumped from. They didn't even see him going up there.

So how the hell Frank will see Batman is coming for him ? Also did i mention prep time ?

For second round , Batman is not only able to take out lots of armed mercenaries , he was able to take out armed mercenaries that attacked him at the same time with guns , knives , h2h etc. And he was throwing them around like sack of potatoes.

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#31 Posted by foxerdes (10256 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce for both.

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#32 Posted by DragonHunter1414 (688 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman.

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#34 Posted by Smoke-W (417 posts) - - Show Bio

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#35 Posted by never give up (24994 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman both rounds.

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#36 Posted by uugieboogie (13190 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce should take both rounds handily unless Frank goes with his unstoppable prison yard rush.

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#37 Posted by shroudofsorrow (6001 posts) - - Show Bio

With prep time so heavily restricted, I don't really see either of them making much use of it, unless Punisher stalks Bruce and snipes him when he's out of his costume, but other than that, it doesn't seem like either one will do much with their restricted prep time.

In any case, between bullet-proof armor and superior strength, Batman should win this. But in actual H2H skill, I would honestly favor MCU Punisher over DCCU/DCEU Batman at this point.

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#38 Posted by captain_batman_FTW (8905 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce both Rounds. He showed how good his prep is against Superman. And in pure H2H he should stomp.

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#39 Posted by cfrehse (2902 posts) - - Show Bio

Rd 1 could go either way. Ithe matters who see who first. Batman's armor probably isn't stopping his sniper Rd. Or he gets lit up by a guy who has excellent aim. Batman gets to him first he could stealth take him out or disable his weapons. He has lots of tools to beat frank. Frank 6/10

Rd 2 Frank's an animal. Batman is probably stronger but frank won't go down easy. Batman 6/10

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#40 Posted by AllHailSkeletor (780 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Bruce for the majority

Round 2: Bruce stomps. Not even close.

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#41 Posted by Lunacyde (28254 posts) - - Show Bio

Closer than most think, but I have to settle with Bruce for the majority.

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#43 Posted by batofgotham2000 (447 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman both rounds

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#44 Edited by AllStarSuperman (43234 posts) - - Show Bio

Not even close

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#45 Posted by Superhero24 (4766 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman:

agreed. This fight wasn't thought up well. Punisher is badass, but this is too much for him. I mean bruce is a billionaire so that covers the prep round. Bruce also is able to lift and throw full grown men around like nothing. That solves the h2h fight. This is without including his bullet proof armor and more experience.

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#46 Edited by RBT (28491 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman both rounds

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#47 Posted by NewWorldOrder (1776 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce both rounds

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#48 Posted by Mutant1230 (6615 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce should win both rounds fairly easily.

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#49 Posted by the_wspanialy (4075 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman in both rounds and decisevely. Better in every way.

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#50 Posted by JasonBourne_ (434 posts) - - Show Bio

This is not closer than anyone thinks. Frank gets curbstomped both rounds maybe even killed. Too small and couldn't handle Fisk..and Fisk would get stomped by Batman too.