Who would win and why ?
Morals are off
Win by K.O, incap or death
why aren’t they credible?
Because it's a newspaper headline with no actual source or anyway of suggesting it's credible (nevermind how completely out of the water the statement is from DCEU Superman's actual feats or Zack's intent on Superman's strength OR how shifting a tectonic plate wouldn't stop an Earthquake, it would just make another one). This "evidence" wouldn't fly in an actual debate.
and Thor never moved the rings literally just broke the ice then the machine started.
The Russos literally state he moved the rings, it's evident that the machines needed to be moved themselves either way given that Thor had to apply enough pressure to move them out of being frozen stuck to begin with. It's amazing how fanboys will blindly accept massive outliers from a random newspaper for their verse but deny on-screen feats backed up by the directors of the movie for another verse.
Also how could hulk scale above Thor? when it was proven Thor was stronger than him in Ragnarok?
The fight proved the exact opposite.
Hell the only reason Hulk got the jump on Thor anyways because he wasn’t trying to hurt him and was trying to do black window’s calm down method so that scaling is wouldn’t work,
And then right after that, Thor said screw it and tried to take out the Hulk with raw strength alone... and failed to do so. Are you leaving out context on purpose or did you just so happen to miss the last 3/5ths of their fight?
also Hulk barrage of punches failed to even scratch Thor face when we saw how easily it is to make Thor bleed.
Oh, so you WERE leaving out context on purpose. And so what if Thor didn't bleed? Thor couldn't make Hulk bleed either even with many massive hammer strikes and two lightning-enhanced punches. And this is absolutely golden, "we saw how easy it is to make Thor bleed", no, maybe you with your biased fanboy glasses thinks it's easy but when Thor can withstand the Bifrost explosion, the Destroyer's output, a portion of the Sokovia blast, and the Bifrost crystals all without bleeding than it's pretty clear to me that you'd have to hit him really hard to make him bleed.
Let's look at the things that made him bleed:
> The Hulk who gave him a tiny nosebleed while Thor was canonically recovering from Odin's use of dark magic on him, all while in the same movie Hulk can one-shot Leviathans.
> Loki using a knife made from an unknown metal, since we have no way of scaling it to known knives and the fact that regular knives have failed to pierce regular Asgardians (nevermind Thor who completely shits all over regular Asgardians in stats), that's a feat for the knife.
> Kurse after multiple punches and a boulder throw, the same dude overpowered Mjolnir's trajectory.
> Malekith gave him a small cut with the Aether, an object that's actually an infinity stone which he planned on using to cover the Nine Realms in darkness.
> Vibranium Ultron after punching his face repeatedly off-screen for a few minutes, while in the same film Thor survives the aforementioned Sokovia blast, so it's really a feat for Ultron.
> Hela's blades that can cut goddam Uru.
> Attacks from Power Stone Thanos, the physical superior of the Hulk even without a stone that can potentially break apart moons and wipe out planets.
> The output of a small Neutron Star.
> Once again Thanos after multiple bloodlusted punches to the face.
Yep, sounds super easy to make him bleed to me.
Thor even before god mode was easily winning that fight.
Thor before going god mode was literally pinned to the ground and was getting his face punched over and over. And let's not forget the fact that Hulk is shown directly overpowering Thor's two-handed strike with one arm.
Hulk couldn’t overpower hulkbuster,
I don't know how you can look at that fight and say Hulk wasn't able to overpower the Hulkbuster when he kept on growing angrier and was clearly beating the Hulkbuster in a fist fight to where Tony had to rely on repairing armor parts and having to drop the Hulk through a building. Besides, if you are attempting to use him struggling against the Hulkbuster as an anti-feat, maybe you should explain why because as far as the movie is concerned that's a feat for the Hulkbuster armor.
could not burst out of the thin metal cage Ironman put him in so he went underground.
"thin metal cage" lol do you build cages for a living or something? Nobody builds metal cages like that and calls them thin, nevermind that Hulk striking the metal cage inadvertently shook an entire street but barely dented it, so obviously that isn't regular steel or such which Hulk has been shown to easily rip through.
Lost a tooth by getting smacked with an elevator,
Except he didn't, it was the wound up punch after getting hit with the elevator that made him lose his tooth. It's amazing how you can be so factually incorrect in one comment, it's like you are trying to blow your credibility.
the behemoth is a joke in-comparison to Clark, Superman punches sent much bigger and heavier doomsday 100s of feet Clark plays ping pong through the city with him.
lol is that supposed to be an impressive striking feat? Like, what your point? Hulk would also be able to send Superman flying hundreds of feet with his punches.
Superman wins but please stop sucking him off.
Snyder was implying hence the whole more powerful than a planet thing but that’s neither here nor there.
Snyder has nothing to do with the "stronger than a planet" statement and never once has he compared his Superman to a planet. Why bring up something that's not apart of his intent?
Nuke is nowhere near life threatening, Clark was not 100% clearly because his scar wasn’t even healed, The moment Clark was in sunlight he healed nigh instantly, furthermore it was radiation poisoning which cause him most of the damage considering he had no burn marks or broken/busted face just hollowed out like a mummy, The most a nuke would do is K,O like it did nothing life threatening at all.
Snyder disagrees.
Again bringing the ring feat in is irrelevant because Hulk doesn’t scaled to post Ragnarok Thor in any shape of form he was beaten up by a holding back Thor and then stomped by a serious awakened Thor so what’s the point your trying to bring up again. Thor and rocket only broke the ice the ring probably moved a few feet to start it and as i said before that doesn’t help the hulk case so moot point.
Stop crying and counter correctly battering him with a hammer doesn’t mean he was serious it’s well established if Thor didn’t know Hulk he would have easily won that fight the entire fight he was trying to calm him down or force him to submit there was clearly no intent to kill or put him down permanently.
They could only break the ice by yanking the rings out from the ice, that still means they moved it, genius. Thor wasn't really holding back after calming him down failed, after that attempt he was actively trying to KO the Hulk and couldn't do so with just raw strength, hence he then awakened his lightning powers. He wasn't bloodlust but he was clearly trying to finish the fight by force. It's well-established that smacking the Hulk with a hammer isn't an attempt to calm him down, anyone with a fraction of a brain can deduct that.
Sigh - Faora clearly went down due to sensory overload but you knew that your sad attempt to lowball or come up with a respectable argument is comical,
Then maybe you should do the same
Never once did i state they didn’t get hit by it I said they didn’t take the brunt of the explosion in the missile scene with Faora she’s in the exact same spot when the missile hit her meaning she withstood the full power of the blast/explosion she was thrusted outward like (Thor and loki)
She's literally in a different position from before and after the explosion, what are you even talking about? Thor and Loki took the explosion at it's very center, it doesn't matter whether or not their position moved. Same with Faora.
same with Clark in the courtroom who by the way didn’t flinch and that explosion is already above the explosion which you claimed took out for Faora see how your low ball attempt doesn’t work your weak debater grasping a straws.
BvS Superman is much stronger than Faora, that comparison is absolutely comical.
Your reading comprehension is garbage, I never said he got out of the explosion I said it blew him upward same thing it did to tony who was at the bottom of the explosion, Furthermore my whole point on the explosion was a responds you saying he tanked/no sold it and I responded with Thor was out for days after that so what are you even rambling on about and that would be an energy durability feat anyways,
No, that's exactly what you were implying when you were saying we didn't see him get hit by the explosion, like that means anything. And did I say Thor was at the center of the blast? No, I said he withstood a portion of the Sokovia blast, which is superior to anything MoS Superman withstood. I didn't say he no-selled Sokovia, and he wasn't out for days either btw.
Thor was only in that position to begin with anyways because he didn’t go all out and try to kill the HULK from the start, Massively above his normal punches, based on what because they kicked up some dust? Lol Clark and Zod clashes destroyed building sides and concrete when they weren’t touching them, we saw Thor regular punches had the Hulk screaming in pain so I don’t wanna hear that massively above nonsense. Hulk was clearly above to be defeated why would the grand master stop the fight? Not to mention the Hulk got a 100 drop punch on a damn near defenseless Thor and the best he could do was knock him out lol stop.
Doesn't matter when Thor was trying to KO him for most of the fight. Thor's regular punches were just pushing the Hulk around, not once did Hulk scream in pain from them. The Grandmaster only thought Thor would win AFTER Thor had already awakened his powers. Learn to count, Hulk hit him with way less punches than 100. I'm not gonna stop because some whiny baby that can't comprehend basic logic is telling me to stop (no offense to the infant in your profile pic).
Hulk was not calm he saw those army guys had the guns aimed at him he geeked up then got one shotted also calm does not mean your durability goes away so terrible point he was knocked out flat.
He was much more calm right after witnessing people fleeing in terror, a small geek up doesn't not make up for the enraged state he was in from the Hulkbuster constantly fighting him. Being calm does make his durability go away, as does the rest of his stats, you don't know the first thing about the Hulk (kind of pathetic since the Hulk is one out of two people fighting in this thread).
Boulder throw is fodder compared to that fall Clark had through a mountain top with no damage he was just disappointed he couldn’t fly, Thor was on his death bed practically even after bracing.
Doubt, the boulder was thrown by someone much stronger than MoS Superman.
Stronger? Where lol Kurse threw what a 140 ton Boulder about 100 feet? Cute Namek threw a 165 ton train across a city with accuracy,
The train yard was literally right across from the street they were fighting on, but good try. Also, Nam-Ek threw the boulder about the same distance but much faster, and actually with enough force to decimate the projectile, unlike with the train.
Clark lifted a 7000 ton apartment building with utter ease, moved a 25k ton cargo ship threw ice, held Arthur back with 1 hand and wasn’t even budging at that. Same Arthur that could lift a submarine from the depths of the ocean with ease which is calc at 500k ton feat even with extreme low balls it’s well over 100k tons, please tell me who stronger? And that is completely irrelevant when talking about durability Kurse threw that rock with effort showing his strength isn’t to much above the 140 ton range, also Clark feat is much more impressive considering he flew through the mountain destroying the top completely at a faster speed than Kurse threw the Boulder which only 3/4 hit Thor because he was so small in comparison to the Boulder meaning most of the force was exerted on the mountain behind Thor and not his actual self. Cherry on top is that Clark was not phased at all by this. Just give up you lost this.
All good feats, but too bad all except the mountain one is done by post-MoS Superman, sorry. Kurse made effort to throw the rock, not to pick it up, even lifting it is a 100+ ton feat, so I don't know what has deluded you into thinking picking it up and throwing it over a 100 feet with enough force to destroy it is only 140 tons of force. Clark was quite clearly phased when he needed to slowly get up hands first and needed to balance himself while doing so.
It’s not a very difficult task to make Thor bleed literally every high tier has done it,
You mean people that scale to Thor and that's pretty much it?
Stop lol karathen back swatted one of those ships to pierces like it was nothing with its tentacles not it’s claw Atlantean warships are made out of the same material Atlantean metal which was proven to be above anything earthly quit denying on screen feats and just concede kid.
Oh good, a full tentacle vs a small tip of it. That comparison failed the moment you tried to make it. Don't tell me to quit denying on-screen feats when you keep denying the on-screen Nidavellir rings feat that's backed up by director's intent and WoG.
Clark fails to no sell bullets? Sigh during the curse of the battle with Namek him and Clark are fighting while bullets are being showered on them like raindrops the 2 don’t even notice it,
Oh, you mean this? Not really a no-sell lol.
It gets better. Apparently this knocked Superman out. You love low showings for Thor, why not Clark?
Batman unleashed a hellfire of bullets on Clark he floats in the air for awhile no selling the attacks before he uses heat vision
The DVD guide states those bullets felt like 50 KM/h baseballs to Superman.
Iron easily destroyed that Ultron and was this the same Ultron that was trading blows with cap on the bus? Stop!!!! Loool Ultron in his vibranium form is fodder let alone all the one before that. Also Clark would no sell 90% of Avengers 2 Ironman arsenal so don’t even mention in the same sentence.
Iron Man needed multiple repulser shots, physicals blows, and shoulder missiles to even slightly damage him before having to finally destroy him with his anti-tank missile. Also, why is the Cap fight a bad showing for his DURABILITY when the only time Cap even slightly damaged him was with a shield throw + kick? The same one that can cut through armor that tanks tank shells and bus-sized explosions? lol do you even notice how hilariously childish it is to scream stop in exclamation point online? Claiming someone is fodder because you want them to be is not an argument, I'm afraid.
Because those Asgardian soldiers don’t wear Asgardian armor which in turn his made from Asgardian metal which mostly consist of Uru? Right they’re armor is literally the same as skurge armor but you’ve been denying things that happened on screen this whole debate why stop now smh. Also you dodged my whole assessment on the Asgardian and bullets argument I’ll take it as a concession. The knife is fodder it’s only feat is piercing Thor who by extension has 0 piercing feats to begin with.
Proof of the bolded? Just want to make sure you don't make anything up, not that it matters because regular Asgardian metal hasn't been destroyed by bullets (and Loki's suit tanks bullets and it's definitely not more durable than Uru as shown with Mjolnir). Thor tanked Bifrost crystals that diced a dragon that plowed through several meters of solid rock with ease, that beats any bullet. Regular Asgardians tank Earthly knives, Thor > Asgardians, so yes, the knife that pierced is actually not featless and doesn't scale to regular knives.
Bifrost shards are fodder loki no sold them same loki who’s face was cut up and bloodied from being smacked around in concrete ground which only left cracks didn’t even fully go through it.
They cut apart a dragon that did much more than break concrete. Maybe you should just admit that Hulk smacking him around > simply breaking concrete.
The was no opening in the armor that doesn’t even make sense he shoved at the top of the arm near the elbow area not an opening in sight your literally just making shit up now, never overpowered hulkbuster he threw it then was jumping on his back ripping it apart because the hulkbuster is terrible when in the air because it’s joints are not a flexible.
Could barely read this terrible English, but what I got was that I made up Hulk stabbing through an opening in the shoulder of the Hulkbuster? Even though we clearly see that's where the pole was placed?
Titanium or uranium doesn’t matter he could not get through no then 2 inch thin metals placed around him and the ground didn’t start shaking until he went under it, Clark has destroyed metal kryptonian walls that are much thicker and with way less effort.
lol did you build the cage? How would you even know that's 2 inches? How do you even know it's made of titanium when Tony uses a gold-titanium alloy for heavy duty armors? When did titanium become so durable that two inches of it can tank hits that can shake an entire street? Oh right, you are just making shit up.
Never yelled in pain when a car fell on him
Thanos who’s Hulk physical superior was actually making pain distress noises from the likes of the guardians crew and spider man, also captain America has survived a bevy of attacks from Thanos he put down Hulk in 4 seconds,
A super small 'ahh' is a sign of distress? Yawning must be a scream of terror then. Captain America got one-shotted in IW and EG when directly hit and knocked down by EG Thanos's punches to his shield, not even to his body. Cap literally gets KO'd in one hit by Thanos, he doesn't take multiple attacks like the Hulk can.
see how low balling works you’ll lose everytime you try to go there kid.
lol you are the one who started the lowballing train to begin with. I didn't resort to giving you a taste of your own bullshit until my last comment to you (not this one).
But that’s my point and then some chitari metal on the leviathan is fairly thin in comparison to the space ships krypton brought to earth hulk’s greatest punch didn’t didn’t blow a hole through the the metal only dented it
Then that's a feat for the metal that Iron Man would lose power to before being able to penetrate it. The same metal that no-sells crashing through skyscrapers.
No plane ever flew through the world engine stop,
It did with the Black Zero, which is made of the same metal.
Sigh wasn’t Thor rocked by a ball in Ragnarok see when we get this petty with things it becomes redundant,
Your first comment to me was filled to the brim with petty shit and low-ends, I'm just returning the favor to see how you like it.
False if you watch the prelude in Bvs it was clearly shown Clark was flying by himself and was facing a launched position meaning he was sent by something which was clearly zod
https://youtu.be/tnqrg0ePtuI
At the 2:30 mark we clearly see Zod is not with him so it was his attack that did that.
Nope, we clearly see Superman fly in the same direction he was flying in before the clash, you can see it if you slow the video down.
All in all I don’t really wanna debate you no more your terrible just lying about what happened on screen like YouTube isn’t a tab away, and that “it’s a feat for such and such” is used out of term I’m started to think all these mcu debaters are the same people on alts.
Funny, because you did the exact same lying you are accusing me of not to long ago, got caught, and tried to bury it in more bullshit. This half-baked response at not wanting to debate reeks of projection and lack of self-awareness, just give up if you aren't going to be bothered to give me a good debate.
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