@ichigoisajobber: Stop saying he’s ‘fearless’. That means any character from any novel has no feats. There are many many things we know about him, and many feats his power has accomplished.
We know he has the Almighty (therefore he has all the feats of the Almighty). We know he’s acausal (Mimihagi). We know his power is of ‘destruction’. We know he destroyed a planet sized menos casually (Made Hueco Mundo), and by destroying hollows continuously he kept the Bleach verse alive. We know he created the Bleach verse as we know it. We know he is the source of all the Quincy powers.
Even half of this is enough to know he just blinks the Naruto verse away. Why don’t you just read the novels instead of saying this stuff?
@ichigoisajobber: Stop saying he’s ‘fearless’. That means any character from any novel has no feats. There are many many things we know about him, and many feats his power has accomplished.
We know he has the Almighty (therefore he has all the feats of the Almighty). We know he’s acausal (Mimihagi). We know his power is of ‘destruction’. We know he destroyed a planet sized menos casually (Made Hueco Mundo), and by destroying hollows continuously he kept the Bleach verse alive. We know he created the Bleach verse as we know it. We know he is the source of all the Quincy powers.
Even half of this is enough to know he just blinks the Naruto verse away. Why don’t you just read the novels instead of saying this stuff?
1) OK so give me some speed and durability feats for him. 2) Also, for a thousand time ,creating something is not a battle feat. Kami from DB created reality warping dragon balls but he is fodder in battle.Kaguya created her dimension with planet and stars so she must be star+ level in battle ? No, she have lost to Ninja-jesus and his friends. SK has feats but not a battle ones.
@ichigoisajobber: Stop saying he’s ‘fearless’. That means any character from any novel has no feats. There are many many things we know about him, and many feats his power has accomplished.
We know he has the Almighty (therefore he has all the feats of the Almighty). We know he’s acausal (Mimihagi). We know his power is of ‘destruction’. We know he destroyed a planet sized menos casually (Made Hueco Mundo), and by destroying hollows continuously he kept the Bleach verse alive. We know he created the Bleach verse as we know it. We know he is the source of all the Quincy powers.
Even half of this is enough to know he just blinks the Naruto verse away. Why don’t you just read the novels instead of saying this stuff?
1) OK so give me some speed and durability feats for him.
2) Also, for a thousand time ,creating something is not a battle feat. Kami from DB created reality warping dragon balls but he is fodder in battle.Kaguya created her dimension with planet and stars so she must be star+ level in battle ? No, she have lost to Ninja-jesus and his friends.
SK has feats but not a battle ones.
Alright.
1) Speed is irrelevant with the Almighty, it attacks instantly and the attacks can't miss. It's practically akin to probability manipulation. It obviously also has infinite reaction time, the Almighty can perceive all timelines at once, if someone can do this there's no getting the drop on them. Speed, irrelevant. Next.
Durability feats, there's nothing in the novels. But we do know reiatsu scales to stats:
Universal reiatsu would equal some degree of Universal stats.
2) The Soul King did create the Bleach universe as we know it, but his power isn't creation.In fact, his power is almost exclusively referred to as the power of destruction. There are too many times for me to show, but here are a few:
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His destructive power was just used for another purpose, but his main power is destruction, and that's what it's referred to always. This is enough to show that his destructive power is actually greater than his creation power because his power is intended for destruction.
Kaguya has nothing to indicate her power scales to anything, no process to quantify how the dimensions were created, and also many many anti feats. It also doesn't make sense for her to be at that level, whereas it does make sense for the Soul King, he's the top of the verse.
@hody_jones: LOL I’ve never ever read such drivel in my life. That’s an impressive display though. He might have convinced himself. Didn’t convince anyone else though.
@hody_jones: LOL I’ve never ever read such drivel in my life. That’s an impressive display though. He might have convinced himself. Didn’t convince anyone else though.
Only people that disagreed are clearly butthurt fanboys like yourself. Meanwhile the other guy was forcibly induced to RQ when he realized he couldn't contest anything being argued. Much like you fanboys do when you realize your fanfiction and fancalcs don't work.
Maybe just you.
Yep, me; the guy who points and laughs at people like you when they get mad their fanfiction based description of their favorite character isnt accepted and is fodder based off the real canon manga.
Anyway, PSK stomps neg difficulty
Based off your headcanon and nothing concrete or even remotely factual. Itatchi solos bleach.
Nobody actually cares about that silly post, although being a funny read, most people see the reality that PSK solos Naruto and Boruto easily. No ones hurt about a pitiful downplay attempt LOL
Bro, the novels are canon. Just accept he solos Naruto with negative difficulty.
Do you want to CaV me?
Are you brave enough to CaV Prime Soul King with Kaguya? :) (Chicken)
He has no quantifiable feats. Just headcanon spewed from the deepest abscess of bleach fanboy banter that exists.
Nobody actually cares about that silly post, although being a funny read, most people see the reality that PSK solos Naruto and Boruto easily. No ones hurt hurt about a pitiful downplay attempt LOL
Clearly you are; you bothered to read it in its entirety yet can't mount a single argument against such. Must hurt.
Bro, the novels are canon. Just accept he solos Naruto with negative difficulty.
Who cares? they boast the same unquantifiable and poorly illustrated feats the Manga does.
Do you want to CaV me?
Are you brave enough to CaV Prime Soul King with Kaguya? :) (Chicken)
Absolutely. It would be nothing more than a chore to embarrass you to that degree; just remember YOU asked for it not me.
Well, composite Ōtsutsuki has multi solar system DC, time manipulation, immortality, reality warping and genjutsu. That's pretty much the most relevant hax that composite Ōtsutsuki will have to use. Still idk who would win.
Being completely impartial here, what we have from PSK is that he is the top of the Bleach characters, for that matter he is at least as strong as the strongest individual character in the franchise, in this case SK Yhwach, we also know that he has the combined powers of Gerard, Gremmy, Mimihagi, Pernida and Yhwach, that is, it has an excellent arsenal, in addition to the basic skills of shinigami and quincy. We also know that his energy is large enough to keep 3 worlds at least the size of a planet each stable at the parallel dimension level.
What we have from Shibai is that he is already the most successful Otsutsuki that is known, in the biological scope his DNA is an amalgamation of all the different DNA's that have already existed in more than at least 1000 different planets with life and energy that he possesses is equal to the sum of all the energies of these at least 1000 planets, emphasizing the fact that with only the partial power of a single planet Kaguya gained all her power and gave rise to all the supernatural that exists in the world of Naruto, the powers that we can guarantee that he has for sure are the complete maximum biological capacity, that is, basically anything possible to be done by a living being he can do, as well as reaching the apex in all attributes as a consequence, complete manipulation of the energies he has (probably summed up only the energies we know, physical, mental, spiritual and natural), omniscience (but without being able to see what I prayed to before his birth) and omnipotence and manipulation of space / time. Above all, he is also a being who does not have a physical body, which makes him somewhat invulnerable.
@fea: Sk has far more abilities than shibai and they have better feats
Sk has way more abilities than the ones you mentioned. Control over the concepts of life and death. Created the dangai and the cleaner. The cleaner having invincibility and passive time manipulations. On top of that all full bring powers
@undre: From which principle do you say that SK has more skills than Shibai? this is a numerically lying statement, as SK's 10 or 20 supernatural abilities are quantitatively greater than Shibai, who has all the powers seen in Naruto/Boruto, which adds up to, I don't know, 1000 supernatural abilities? besides that with his omnipotence and omniscience he can do virtually anything?
Try to define what this "control over life and death" is that you claim and you will see that this is very vague to characterize a power, even more so when this was a by-product of an action by SK, as he separated the worlds of kishi and spiritual matter, he automatically created this cycle, it's not like he can dictate at will whether a being is alive or dead, besides, what is life? in the real world it is a set of chemical reactions and death occurs when these reactions cease, in Tolkien's world it is when a cycle ends and another restarts from the halls of Mandos, in Naruto it is when the soul goes to the pure world or hell , in Bleach is when a soul goes to Soul Society. It has been said, more than once, that someone with control over the rinnegan also has full control of the cycle of life and death, something identical to the power of SK, however the concept of life and death in Naruto is slightly different from that of Bleach, therefore, it is not possible to say that these abilities of one universe work in another, because, as I said, what is "life" and "death" are things that differ in each universe. Besides how is SK going to simply "target" Shibai if this is a formless and possibly timeless being?
It's impressive how you always tend with all your strength to Bleach's side in discussions no matter the condition, it's no longer something rational, it's something purely passionate on your part
@mangacomics69: psk got severed cuz he wanted to read the novels. Your forgetting the almighty nulls any power. Plus reflecting cant be used in a one v one anyway.
@undre: From which principle do you say that SK has more skills than Shibai? this is a numerically lying statement, as SK's 10 or 20 supernatural abilities are quantitatively greater than Shibai, who has all the powers seen in Naruto/Boruto, which adds up to, I don't know, 1000 supernatural abilities? besides that with his omnipotence and omniscience he can do virtually anything?
literally existed for 100 million plus years fighting hollow. lmao im lying? What skill feats does Shibai have plus show. It's never stated he has every power in boruto now your the one lying. All fullbringer powers,Almighty plus control over the laws of reality is already better than anything shibai or the otsutsuki has done for that matter.
Try to define what this "control over life and death" is that you claim and you will see that this is very vague to characterize a power, even more so when this was a by-product of an action by SK, as he separated the worlds of kishi and spiritual matter, he automatically created this cycle, it's not like he can dictate at will whether a being is alive or dead, besides, what is life? in the real world it is a set of chemical reactions and death occurs when these reactions cease, in Tolkien's world it is when a cycle ends and another restarts from the halls of Mandos, in Naruto it is when the soul goes to the pure world or hell , in Bleach is when a soul goes to Soul Society. It has been said, more than once, that someone with control over the rinnegan also has full control of the cycle of life and death, something identical to the power of SK, however the concept of life and death in Naruto is slightly different from that of Bleach, therefore, it is not possible to say that these abilities of one universe work in another, because, as I said, what is "life" and "death" are things that differ in each universe. Besides how is SK going to simply "target" Shibai if this is a formless and possibly timeless being?
lmao don't compare what the rinnegan does to what SK did. The rinnegan ability is a basic power hollows and soul reapers use. They remove souls and even place them in other bodies or send them to to the afterlife shown with seeker and shown with how they place souls in artificial bodies. What sk did was creste the concept of death what that means in bleach is that everything can now be destroyed and its not limited to living beings it also applies to objects. The issue with the original universe is that nothing could be killed or destroyed thus everyone was immortal. However sk had the power override those laws and even kill hollows that couldn't be killed. Not only that he could alter those laws however he wanted. This isn't a mere byproduct.
It's impressive how you always tend with all your strength to Bleach's side in discussions no matter the condition, it's no longer something rational, it's something purely passionate on your part
I can prove everything I claimed. You legit just claimed Shibai has every power in Naruto without any evidence.
@undre: Spending a long time fighting doesn't add any power to him and spending so much time fighting fodders is much more a mishap than a feat, what we know SK has and is useful in this fight are the skills I mentioned above, he doesn't he has no deeds and no quotes that prove he has any skills other than those I mentioned.
Do Soul Reapers and Hollows have the Rinnegan's Outer Path abilities? where did you see any shinigami or hollow reviving a dead person? never right, the rinnegan does not revive one but an entire village with about 50,000+ inhabitants, this being used by a fodder that is not 0.1% of what Shibai is known to be. In the same way, no shinigami or hollow could kill an enemy with just the will, as the child Nagato did, so stop your cry of "don't compare rinmegan to what SK did" because if we are going to put the drops on the iso argument leans more towards Rinnegan than Soul King.
The Soul King didn't create a physical law or anything as grand as you claim, the living beings of that time weren't immortal, it's just that their souls had nowhere to go when they were destroyed, so they remained in the same world, that's no big deal , any quincy could destroy a soul from that era and it would die permanently, just like the gudoudama do, however the gudoudama are much more powerful than any quincy skill.
I don't know if you know but all the powers in the Naruto universe are based on 4 things, DNA, physical, mental and spiritual energy, and all these requirements are fulfilled to the fullest by Shibai, in addition to having a new type of power that no one knows of what is made called "shinjutsu", so he does have all the abilities of the Naruto/Boruto+shinjutsu universe, in addition to having the experience of having lived thousands of lives and reincarnations with karma during an indefinite period of time.
And you didn't answer me how SK would target a character that has no physical form and is timeless.
@undre: Spending a long time fighting doesn't add any power to him and spending so much time fighting fodders is much more a mishap than a feat, what we know SK has and is useful in this fight are the skills I mentioned above, he doesn't he has no deeds and no quotes that prove he has any skills other than those I mentioned.
Do Soul Reapers and Hollows have the Rinnegan's Outer Path abilities? where did you see any shinigami or hollow reviving a dead person? never right, the rinnegan does not revive one but an entire village with about 50,000+ inhabitants, this being used by a fodder that is not 0.1% of what Shibai is known to be. In the same way, no shinigami or hollow could kill an enemy with just the will, as the child Nagato did, so stop your cry of "don't compare rinmegan to what SK did" because if we are going to put the drops on the iso argument leans more towards Rinnegan than Soul King.
Dam now I gotta explain basic bleach stuff to you. Imagine arguing against a verse you don't even understand or even bothered to read properly. Ichigo in first arc was leaving his body and going rukia freely entering in and out a fake human body,seeker removing a human soul and putting it into a bird are all examples of killing and reviving. As their soul is being removed and put back. Can the rinnegan place souls into stuffed animals,forgien bodies or animals like soul reapers and Hollows?
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The otsutsuki don't compare to even soul reapers when it comes to life and death manipulation as they can freely interact with the human world and remove and place themselves into the bodies. While the otsutsuki have to find a good vessel and do a DNA download. Show nagato killing someone with will.
The Soul King didn't create a physical law or anything as grand as you claim, the living beings of that time weren't immortal, it's just that their souls had nowhere to go when they were destroyed, so they remained in the same world, that's no big deal , any quincy could destroy a soul from that era and it would die permanently, just like the gudoudama do, however the gudoudama are much more powerful than any quincy skill.
please show me scans of quincy being able to erase soul in that era. Soul King was the only one capable of killing hollows
even quincy, soul reapers and ichibei existed in that world yet even they could not erase people despite having the ability to erase. Gudoudama don't erase souls nice fanfic.
Stated verbatim they were immoral in that world stop coping
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Even hikone who has quincy powers could not kill hisagi. Eraser doesn't override immorality granted through casualty/law manipulation
I don't know if you know but all the powers in the Naruto universe are based on 4 things, DNA, physical, mental and spiritual energy, and all these requirements are fulfilled to the fullest by Shibai, in addition to having a new type of power that no one knows of what is made called "shinjutsu", so he does have all the abilities of the
all otsutsuki have shinjustu yet they don't have every ninjustu coping.
Naruto/Boruto+shinjutsu universe, in addition to having the experience of having lived thousands of lives and reincarnations with karma during an indefinite period of time.
And you didn't answer me how SK would target a character that has no physical form and is timeless.
Bruuuh what? Show Shibai being timeless and he could very well still have a spiritual form all that happen was his spirit left his body to be in world that required no body to exist
@undre: Impressive, you completely distorted what "death" is. Death is not necessarily when a soul leaves a body, dozens of characters manage to remove their souls from the body and do not die anyway (see Dr Strange), and what happens to Ichigo there has absolutely nothing to do with death or resurrection , no Bleach character has demonstrated the power to bring someone truly dead back to life after taking mortal damage like the rinnegan does, let alone on a grand scale.
The Otsutsuki have a whole conditional script of what to do and sacrifice themselves to give rise to the fruit, that's why they need receptacles and DNA unpacking, the argument you used would only really be used by a person who didn't understand what the scientist said .
About Nagato killing with his will, we literally have the first two deaths caused by him, who when he was still 10 years old killed two chunnins (the equivalent of two lieutenants in Bleach) with just his will, without using chakra or anything, besides which is said in all the words that the outer path controls both life AND DEATH, and not just life.
No quincy or soul reaper can destroy souls, the only ones who do that are the quincyes, it seems that you don't even understand Bleach right.
Gudoudama have been shown to destroy Minato's arms and even when his soul was released his arms were still destroyed, there is no doubt in the community that discusses Naruto, the gudoudama destroyed part of Minato's soul.
Literally the three scans never mention that in the primordial world souls were impossible to destroy, so much so that the Soul King annihilated hollows with a fodder ability to turn their bodies into sand. And Soul King has no manipulation of chance or laws, stop using copium you! all he did was split a world into three and create a cycle of life and death with it, not even close to an ability that could literally rewrite a law.
It is literally said that ninjutsus are nerfed copies of shinjutsu, so yes, Shibai has all the abilities of the Naruto+Boruto+Shinjutsu universe
Isshiki could manipulate a dimension where there was no flow of time and remove things from there without causing a physical paradox, this proves that even he already had timeless capabilities, but he is just a crumb of bread next to Shibai.
Out of body souls are simple things in the Naruto universe, even Kato Dan, who was a simple standard jounin could transform his body, which was made of physical matter into a ghost made of spiritual matter, what Shibai did was very different Besides, if it were something so simple, the scientist himself would say.
Prime Soul King created three planes of existence, if i'm not mistaken. Soul Society, Living World and Hell.
I'm not sure if he created Hueco Mundo as well...
Composite Ohtsutsuki would scale to Kaguya, so he have the power to create at least 6 Worlds. Maybe even more, depending on how you interpret Kaguya's dimensions, but deffinitively not lower than a Planet.
Also, he would have the power of Momoshiki and Isshiki that together drained an not specified number of worlds.
And we're not even talking about Shiba yet... don't need to go there.
He should be much more powerfull than Soul King based on the feeble piece of information we have.
@undre: I think it is stated somewhere that the Soul King have the Almighty.
And since Ywach is the one who gave the Quincies their abilities, it is fair to assume the Soul King posses them too. Probably even to a greater scale.
And finally, it is possible he also have some of Hogyoku Aizen's abilities, since Aizen's goal was to become a being like the Soul King.
All that being said, i still think comp Ohtsutsuki wins.
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