Prime Darth Vader runs a star wars stack gauntlet*RULES*

Round 1: Kylo Ren

Round 2: General grevious

Round 3: Prime ahsoka

Round 4: Darth maul

RULES: Each time Darth Vader defeats a combatant that combatant will join the next combatant, and if he defeats both of them then both of those combatants will join the next, so the final fight will be Vader vs all of them

All prime

Canon only

Where does he stop and why?

He hard stops at 4, but loses(though not a majority) rounds earlier.

Stops at 4

Clears high-diff

He isn’t beating Ahsoka whilst also fending off Grievous and Kylo at the same time. Stops at 3.

Yes I can see an arg for stopping at 3. But definitely stops at 4

Stops at 3. Ahsoka already challenged him, Kylo and Grievous helping her would tip the scales. If Vader somehow makes it past this round he stops badly at 4.

Unless he immediately takes out Grievous with the force he stops at three, otherwise he stops at four I guess.

Is 'prime' Ahsoka is the one from the Disney Plus series? If so, what is difference between her and her Rebels incarnation? She was nowhere to be seen during the galactic civil war so doubt she did as much fighting as she used to, and her bout with Anakin's ghost (assuming it wasn't just an illusion) seemed to be more about him imparting a lesson rather than trying to kill her.

How do you reckon Vader beats Grevious and Ahsoka at the same time?

While I do think Vader would beat either in 1v1, I don't recall any of his duels that would suggest he can beat 2 opponents of this caliber at the same time. Specially if one of his opponents contended with a younger version of Obi-Wan Kenobi (of which an older and sloppier version of the same Jedi Master already reduced Vader to a wheezing mess).

Though of course this is mostly based on the movies and TV series, as I admittedly I don't follow much of the franchise outside of those (except for a few comics).

You’re better off. Comics is where Star Wars goes to die. Some of the dumbest stuff imaginable happens in SW comics.

@silentsymphony: We’ll for one fair warning you’re about to get spammed for that Kenobi take correct as it is lol.

Vader was the overwhelmed by a copy of GG in sabers true but he then stomps with the force. Ahoska has only matched up with Rebels Vader and not prime OWK Vader and he would be able to blast her away as well.

So basically blast one and kill the other. There has to be a third for Vader to go down

@lightordark: what’s wrong with Star Wars comics? I’ve enjoyed most of the ones I’ve read.

Most of time they are okay, but Vader killing an entire Rebel army by himself, crushing a building with a gesture, and surviving a crash from space is dumb.

I suspected as much lol.

Though I read an interview with Ewan himself stating that Obi-Wan was older and out of practice during the series. And he was an executive producer in the series. I'd say that clears up their intent regarding Obi-Wan's abilities at that point in time.

Worth noting though that Vader only seemed to dominate Karbin with the Force only once and this when they were in proximity to the temple ruins, which was powerful with the Force (both Luke and Vader sensed it - Vader even called it a "place of power").

When Karbin fled and we see the fight continue outside the temple, Vader doesn't use the Force on him as he did before, then repeatedly mentions that Karbin is delaying him.

We also know Vader's not holding back since his goal was to to prevent Luke from being captured by Karbin's forces, and he repeatedly tells Aphra he can't afford to be delayed any longer which is why he asks her to intervene. To me that should at least indicate that Vader wouldn't be able to one-shot him.

Agreed that either would soundly beat Ahsoka, but can you elaborate on why Vader as of Kenobi would be considered different from Rebels? There doesn't seem to be much of a time difference between the two series.

@silentsymphony:

There's an 8 year time difference between rebels and OWK

@silentsymphony:

Though I read an interview with Ewan himself stating that Obi-Wan was older and out of practice during the series. And he was an executive producer in the series. I'd say that clears up their intent regarding Obi-Wan's abilities at that point in time.

Indeed.

We also know Vader's not holding back since his goal was to to prevent Luke from being captured by Karbin's forces, and he repeatedly tells Aphra he can't afford to be delayed any longer which is why he asks her to intervene. To me that should at least indicate that Vader wouldn't be able to one-shot him.

Wasn't aware Karbin appeared later. Stand corrected then.

Agreed that either would soundly beat Ahsoka, but can you elaborate on why Vader as ofKenobiwould be considered different fromRebels? There doesn't seem to be much of a time difference between the two series.

Not so much a time gap but Vader being more powerful in OWK due to his rage over Kenobi.

But but yeah he’s very much consumed by very negative emotions and that’s all what sort of fuels his his dark side abilities and because of that he’s very powerful in this series and you know we’re in a point in the timeline chronology that is kind of the closest to ehm Anakin in his prime and that’s sort of an interesting place to start from.”

https://youtu.be/ZIXu-XHHP-Y?si=qSd5HDZrOvF2L1AR

Vader is consumed by his emotions which enhances his abilities “in this series“ and bring this Vader the closest to “Prime Anakin“

Clears

@silentsymphony:

Per the showrunner, Kenobi is in his prime. So whatever rust he had isn't affecting him too much:

"It is essentially between these two huge iconic characters, that are in many ways equally matched and we have never kinda seen them in their prime meeting up like this."

The ship Vader pulled in Red Black and White (which takes place around Rebels) is about twice as large as the one he pulled in OWK-

Stops at 3

@frozen said:

Fair enough.

Though one could also interpret this referring to them as overall combatants, whereas Ewan's quote seems to only be referring to Obi-Wan's skills with a lightsaber (iirc, the context of the interview was about the lightsaber choreography) so I don't think they would be mutually exclusive.

Obi-Wan could be older and rusty as a duelist but his stronger connection to the Force makes him a stronger combatant than before.

Assuming that he does it with less effort, wouldn't this contradict the idea of Vader being in his "prime" circa Kenobi series?

@silentsymphony:

He did it with less effort. I’d reason that the showrunners don’t have free reign on versions of Vader that come later. Given that storytellers could use OWK as an anchor to explain his growth post OWK. This is what the current comics are doing given that a recent issue has Vader flashback to OWK and try to learn lessons from it. Not to mention it’s being said he’s more powerful than ever. In OWK it would encompass ROTS up until that point given that is the timeline they’re given free reign over.

@silentsymphony: Vader was never seen to be pulling a ship in that series.

prime vader (if he fights smart) would force crush grievouses organs
or incapacitate him with the force at the very start .
if he does this than he has a chance in round 4 .
kylo is a non factor and he is by far the weakest here .
prime vader (by scaling (but not by logic) ) should be (bare minimum) at the level of TCW sidious -
who was toying with savage and maul with ease
(and this duo is roughly on par with maul and ahsoka or slightly inferior maybe) .
prime vader is also considerably more powerful than his rebels version so
we can´t really use his duel with ahsoka as a benchmark .

prime vader should stomp round one with the lightsaber and round two with the force
should win round 3 with combination of both
and he should be able to high diff round 4 if he fights smart

Clears