Alright , today let's end this debate once and for all. I think I know what Michael Julius wants to convey and why does he say the Monitors > Presence , so I will explain that in this post now.
Basically , his viewpoint his :
The entire DC comics was created by the writer. And for creating the DC comics , he used a tool for creating concepts and the DC comics called the "Overvoid". Overvoid is a tool used by authors to create fiction. The authors draw fiction on the Overvoid . The author is the creator who creates the DCU / DC comics on the Overvoid , and it is made on the Overvoid against it's will , or rather , it did not notice that something was being drawn on it. Here :
That spider like thing what you see is the DCU / DC comics. That , is what the writer drew on the comic page. That spider like thing is what is called "fiction". The Overvoid is basically the white pages and the space of the comic which can be regarded as God there , since it is the base for creation. It can be regarded as "their" world. And the writer intruded there , and drew the DCU on the Overvoid. That spider/clock like thing , consists of infinite multiverses :
Now. , the Presence , Lucifer , Michael , Spectre , etc. whoever else you name were created by the writer on the Overvoid. Even the Monitor and the Anti Monitor which the Overvoid mentions were drawn by the writer on the Overvoid to create the DCU. But , the "Dax Novu" which is mentioned was not created by the author , it was created by the Overvoid to find solution to "the flaw" which is DCU , since the Overvoid was shocked after noticing the DCU drawn on it , which is basically text and fiction to it since it was drawn by the author.
Now , since Presence and the other beings were created by the author , they're also basically text in their world , which is the Overvoid. Whereas Dax Novu was created by the Overvoid , and was called a "nil" monitor , was not created by the author and hence will realise that Presence and the DCU drawn by the author is basically fiction. Dax Novu can be said as the original inhabitant of their world , whereas he can notice that the "flaw" drawn on the Overvoid is basically a story , which is also mentioned in the first scan. It is mentioned that a "story" was drawn over the Overvoid and Dax Novu was sent to investigate it , meaning Dax Novu was never part of the story to begin with and was never created by the writer. The writer can create new things on the Overvoid , but he cannot control what has NOT been created by him and what ALREADY exists in the void. Hence , if he wants , he can Retcon the Presence , but not Dax Novu , because he did not create him and holds no right over him. The author can be said as an intruder to their world playing his game and then Dax Novu is sent to investigate what game is being played by a trespasser. The writer cannot play with Dax Novu since he wasn't drawn by him on the void , he can be said as an original resident of the void. And any "fiction" cannot harm an original resident. They can only be harmed by original residents themselves. Hence the Overvoid created TR.
And similarly , after Dax Novu plan backfired , the Overvoid only created Thought Robot to battle him. Only the consciousness of Superman was transmitted into TR , but he's isn't Superman in any way nor was he created by the author , he was created by the Overvoid. Hence , he's the same as Dax Novu , an original resident of the void who was not created by an external source like author and isn't mere text and pictures. He cannot be harmed by lowly text and pictures. The clock like thing you see ? That's the DCU. He entered that lowly realm to battle Mandrakk. He even says that he's inside a someone else's story :
That means the DCU is nothing but a non existent fiction to both TR and Dax Novu/Mandrakk. And Mandrakk can only be harmed by an original resident of the void i.e TR. The DCU doesn't belong in the void , it was drawn by the author. That means TR is above the entire DCU as well as all the infinite multiverses that compose the DCU. Whereas Presence is only the god of the infinite multiverses of DCU. Presence is the supreme god of DCU , but in the end he isn't an original resident, and was created by the author only and can be controlled or retconned by the author.
And as for the void being an aspect of the Presence , I am not quite educated to comment about that since I haven't read Vertigo , but according to Michael Julius , that void is again an aspect of the DCU , i.e. an aspect of the spider like thing/ the clock like thing which you see.
I just explained his viewpoint here , I hope this is what he meant. I am tagging everyone. If you've objections , then feel free to comment.
Let the debate begin !!
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