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#1 Edited by LordWhis2 (637 posts) - - Show Bio

Battle for the title of 2nd strongest Marvel Character. A being who is millions of times stronger than the marvel Multiverse vs a being for whom the marvel Multiverse is a mere illusion.

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Both have a quadrillion years of prep

Have At Thee !

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#2 Posted by JwwProd (20860 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordwhis2: Oblivion isn't close to the second strongest Marvel Character.

He is actually below Living Tribunal.

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#4 Edited by cosmic_reign (3575 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder

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#5 Posted by tethadam (526 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder easily.

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#6 Posted by Unlimited1 (989 posts) - - Show Bio

Oblivion.

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#8 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18448 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder one shots Oblivion with a thought.

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#9 Posted by Dession_Viper (742 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder easily curbstomps.

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#10 Posted by Unlimited1 (989 posts) - - Show Bio

@tethadam: He seems beyond dimensional or any other limitation.

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#11 Posted by tethadam (526 posts) - - Show Bio
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#12 Posted by KrleAvenger (26070 posts) - - Show Bio

Oblivion is not even one of top 10 strongest Marvel characters. He is equal to Infinity in power. Not above her.

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#13 Edited by Unlimited1 (989 posts) - - Show Bio

@tethadam: Proof? Isn't he like, confirmed infinite dimensional?

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#14 Posted by Lordflawlez (1292 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't iceman solo oblivion? Lol

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#15 Edited by LordWhis2 (637 posts) - - Show Bio

@kilgpmktra: All marvel characters including LT & MM came from him & will be returned to him in the end.

The entire Marvel Multiverse is only an illusion to him.

He predates the marvel Multiverse.

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#16 Posted by LordWhis2 (637 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: Mikaboshi who was a microscopic fraction of oblivion was as strong if not stronger than infinity/eternity.

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#17 Posted by KrleAvenger (26070 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordwhis2: I'm aware. I made Chaos King respect thread. The problem is tho, the only fight he ever had was against Infinity, which ended up in a stalemate. So that showing and scaling with Chaos King kinda contradict one another.

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#18 Edited by LordWhis2 (637 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: It was an m body of Oblivion that fought infinity. & Even if it wasn't it would be PIS because it contradicts every other showing of his

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#19 Posted by KrleAvenger (26070 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordwhis2:

It was an m body of Oblivion that fought infinity. &

They use M Bodies all the time.

Even if it wasn't it would be PIS because it contradicts every other showing of his

It makes perfect sense. Oblivion and Infinity are opposites of each other and they are also siblings. What other showings are you talking about exactly?

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#20 Edited by LordWhis2 (637 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: the chaos king showing for 1.

You are here because you ceased to exist. You have come to The One who embodies non-existence (that's a kind of Omnipotence by the way). You have come to Oblivion. Before the multiverse was... I was. At the end of all things... I wait. I am the void... The breath between life and death... Between death and rebirth. Between heaven and hell. My true form is beyond that which you see. I transcend form -- and shape and substance. This body... This realm... And everyone and everything IN it... Are my Creations."

"The embodiment of eternal nothingness... Emptiness given flesh! My eyes see only the abyss into which all things must inevitably fall.":

Again and again, the Universe is born, struggles for life and independence -- Then falls once more into my gaping maw! This world of illusion I have created here is only a reflection of the world beyond! All life is a dream! All Creation is populated by phantoms. Everything springs from Oblivion's loins-- And everything returns to Oblivion's womb!"

Before Creation was... I was. Where Creation ends... I wait. I am the Void. The breath between life and death. Between death and rebirth. The Nothing -- From which The Everything springs. This form you see, this throne I sit upon -- Are illusions... Created for your benefit, not mine. For if you looked upon me as I truly am you would cease to exist. A state of affairs that would please me to no end." (Addressed to the reader)

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Being able to kill people in real life >>>> anything LT has ever done.

And oblivion can't just kill people in real life, real life is a dream for him. He is the Azathoth of marvel.

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#21 Posted by dami24434 (4396 posts) - - Show Bio

^^hahah.best explanation to that is oblivion got an amp after chaos war, beyonder still wins though

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#22 Posted by BlackWizzard17 (1084 posts) - - Show Bio

The Beyonder isn't even apart of the Marvel Multiverse. He is obviously an insanely powerful being from a separate multiverse unrelated to marvel comics yet made by Marvel.

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#23 Posted by RampageTheFirst (7678 posts) - - Show Bio

PR Beyonder blinks him out of existence.

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#24 Posted by TheDeathstroke (2925 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder stomps

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#25 Posted by Edgli (124 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder stomps.

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#26 Posted by Necromancer76 (3783 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder

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#27 Posted by LordWhis2 (637 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackwizzard17: Neither is oblivion, as the marvel Multiverse is an illusion to him.

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#28 Posted by TheOneWhoPullsTheStrings (2746 posts) - - Show Bio

I think people are missing that this isn't just the normal Oblivion that was equals to Eternity, etc.

That being said, still siding with PR beyonder.

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#29 Posted by AgentSandman (1009 posts) - - Show Bio

Gotta side with PR Beyonder

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#30 Posted by OrdinaryAlan (6717 posts) - - Show Bio

PR Beyonder blinks him out of existence.

Seriously this. PR Beyonder was many times more powerful than all of Marvel's abstracts combined.

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#32 Posted by Stalin-Is-Steel (3586 posts) - - Show Bio

PR Beyonder takes a dump on Oblivion, considering he was basically one of the strongest beings on the universe at the time.

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#34 Edited by Sungsam (3209 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm going to present some wacky highballing arguments to Highball Beyonder using shaky scaling. Because Beyonder in some perspectives, although is not Omnipotent himself, is more powerful than you previously imagined. I know this might not completely be sound, but an alternative perspective.

The thing about Beyonder, is that he is probably more than million times greater than Marvel's Existence. He has been described as being an ocean to a droplet of water to all of Marvel's Almighty and Multiverse, that includes the 8 Abstracts who are infinitely more powerful than the Multiverse.

So with that highballed literalized reasoning that Beyonder is an Ocean to Marvel's Existence and Multiverse and Gods like a droplet, Pre-Retcon Beyonder is at least, more than One hundred and thirty-three quintillion two hundred quadrillion (133,200,000,000,000,000) times the power of 8 Abstracts (including LT, and who is above Oblivion in destructive power) who are infinitely more powerful than Marvel's Infinite Multiverse, and was probably still immensely so even after he lost most of his power to destroy Death. That is the same number of droplets of water there is, in our ocean.

Get it? Beyonder is quadrillion times the power of multiple abstracts who are each infinitely more powerful than a Multiverse due to the application calculation from a droplet of water to our ocean.

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All of Marvel's Abstracts (LT, Infinity, Eternity, In-Betweener, Lord Chaos, Master Order) are all infinitely more powerful or more so than Marvel's Infinite Dimensional, Infinite Layered Multiverse where each world and timeline splits into infinity every constant multiplying into new worlds. The Abstracts of Marvel transcend as well as define this Multiverse at the same time. How we know this? We know this by scaling, because Oblivion's destructive power scales to Infinity, and Oblivion is by feats, infinitely more powerful than Marvel's Multiverse, this is so true applicable to Oblivion and reflects back to the Abstracts.

So if Beyonder is greatly quadrillions more powerful VIA droplet of water calculation, he is quadrillion times the composite infinities of all of Marvel's Abstracts who are personifications of Marvel's Multiverse as Beyonder was stated to be so much more powerful than all the abstracts even with his powers depleted to kill death.

Oblivion is not really an abstract of non existence, he has a personality, desire, and anthropomorphization. What Oblivion really IS by function if you analyze him, he is merely an aspect of the Marvel Multiverse's non-existence or a conra to Marvel Multiverse's existence, but he is not all of the Void.

Beyonder represents a White Void, the Beyond Realm. But Oblivion represents a Black Void. They oppose and contradict each other. If we were to assume to merge post-Retcon Beyonder period Marvel with the past, we have to assume there is a conflict.

Meanwhile, Oblivion's movements and ambitions are in conflict and struggle with the concept of Existence (Marvel's Multiverse) and has no complete power over Creation and requires Avatars and Manifestations to do his bidding. He seems restricted to his Void until all of existence is gone according to what I hear. What Oblivion really is, that he is the Shadow and perhaps partly origin of Marvel's Multiverse.

On the other hand, Beyonder has no problem with entering and leaving Creation.

Beyonder and Oblivion are most similar to each other, they both are Voids that are outside Marvel's Multiverse but the relationship is different.

Oblivion is in a duality opposition to Marvel's Multiverse, he scales to Infinity. His purpose appears to contain the non existence to define what Marvel's Multiverse is not and what it no longer has, and embody the shadow of Marvel's Creation's existence. That is why Creations of Marvel's Multiverse appear within Oblivion when they are erased.

Beyonder has no relation and no equal duality of divine relationship with Marvel's Multiverse. He is quadrillion the times the multiple independent infinite powers of Marvel's Existence and Pantheons (that could include Oblivion). And Oblivion is merely a spectator or outsider to Marvel's Abstracts, but is still a member and has a role within Creation. While Beyonder is completely outside of it.

Beyonder's BeyondRealm is a White Void that greatly surpasses the sphere of power, influence and power comparison to LT and all the other Abstracts. While Oblivion's Void is bound to having to be living in the shadow of LT's court.

By verdict, Beyonder scales to being quadrillion times more powerful than the combined power of various Outer-Hyperversal characters that depict equiality in power to Oblivion who are all infinitely greater than Marvel's Expanding Infinite Dimensional Multiverse that has microverses, sub-realms (Earth 616 is described as a mini-Multiverse) and etc.

You could argue that Oblivion is a personification of non existence, but so is Beyonder. And that Oblivion is infinitely more powerful than Marvel's Multiverse, but as seen with his stalemate with Infinity, that is probably standard.

Because Beyonder's Beyond Realm is not just a white vastness, it can possess and contain Creation Infinite Creations and Infinite Gods and see Creation.

While Oblivion may see Marvel's Multiverse (but not its abstracts) as an infinitesimal portion of his power,Beyonder on the other hand sees all of Marvel's Multiverse AND multiple Infinite Outer-Hyperversal abstracts combined as infinitesimals divided by infinitesimals divided by a million to a one hundred and thirty-three quintillion two hundred quadrillion (ocean to droplet ratio) AND THAT INCLUDES OBLIVION IN THE COMBINED MIX.

VERDICT.

Beyonder absolutely curb-stomp-shit-stomps Oblivion.

Do you know what Beyonder does to Oblivion? He fills Oblivion's Dark Void with his Beyonder White Void and turns everything white and shit and Oblivion's consciousness and is no more,

Because through my shaky scaling, Beyonder logically should see Oblivion's Void as like an infinitesimal divided by infinitesimals divided by quadrillions, seeing Oblivion's Void as a black droplet of paint in the vast BeyonderRealm Void which makes Beyonder's Void is Greater than Oblivion's Void and this results in Oblivion's non-existence void getting replaced and overwritten with Beyonder's non-existence due to Beyonder's superior all-encompassing embodiment.

Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. You could say that Oblivion is a weakened, eldritch rip-off of Beyonder.

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#35 Posted by Revold (763 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: the chaos king showing for 1.

You are here because you ceased to exist. You have come to The One who embodies non-existence (that's a kind of Omnipotence by the way). You have come to Oblivion. Before the multiverse was... I was. At the end of all things... I wait. I am the void... The breath between life and death... Between death and rebirth. Between heaven and hell. My true form is beyond that which you see. I transcend form -- and shape and substance. This body... This realm... And everyone and everything IN it... Are my Creations."

"The embodiment of eternal nothingness... Emptiness given flesh! My eyes see only the abyss into which all things must inevitably fall.":

Again and again, the Universe is born, struggles for life and independence -- Then falls once more into my gaping maw! This world of illusion I have created here is only a reflection of the world beyond! All life is a dream! All Creation is populated by phantoms. Everything springs from Oblivion's loins-- And everything returns to Oblivion's womb!"

Before Creation was... I was. Where Creation ends... I wait. I am the Void. The breath between life and death. Between death and rebirth. The Nothing -- From which The Everything springs. This form you see, this throne I sit upon -- Are illusions... Created for your benefit, not mine. For if you looked upon me as I truly am you would cease to exist. A state of affairs that would please me to no end." (Addressed to the reader)

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Being able to kill people in real life >>>> anything LT has ever done.

And oblivion can't just kill people in real life, real life is a dream for him. He is the Azathoth of marvel.

Wait a min since when was non-existence a kind of Omnipotence? In that case my cute girlfriend is omnipotent!

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#36 Posted by Revold (763 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: the chaos king showing for 1.

You are here because you ceased to exist. You have come to The One who embodies non-existence (that's a kind of Omnipotence by the way). You have come to Oblivion. Before the multiverse was... I was. At the end of all things... I wait. I am the void... The breath between life and death... Between death and rebirth. Between heaven and hell. My true form is beyond that which you see. I transcend form -- and shape and substance. This body... This realm... And everyone and everything IN it... Are my Creations."

"The embodiment of eternal nothingness... Emptiness given flesh! My eyes see only the abyss into which all things must inevitably fall.":

Again and again, the Universe is born, struggles for life and independence -- Then falls once more into my gaping maw! This world of illusion I have created here is only a reflection of the world beyond! All life is a dream! All Creation is populated by phantoms. Everything springs from Oblivion's loins-- And everything returns to Oblivion's womb!"

Before Creation was... I was. Where Creation ends... I wait. I am the Void. The breath between life and death. Between death and rebirth. The Nothing -- From which The Everything springs. This form you see, this throne I sit upon -- Are illusions... Created for your benefit, not mine. For if you looked upon me as I truly am you would cease to exist. A state of affairs that would please me to no end." (Addressed to the reader)

Oblivion threatens you, the reader-

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Being able to kill people in real life >>>> anything LT has ever done.

And oblivion can't just kill people in real life, real life is a dream for him. He is the Azathoth of marvel.

Wait a min since when was non-existence a kind of Omnipotence? In that case my cute girlfriend is omnipotent!

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#37 Edited by IceHeart_30 (1100 posts) - - Show Bio

Battles including Oblivion should be locked. It is nothing. Literally.

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#38 Edited by Eeef (2117 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder blinks.

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#40 Posted by MrStranger (1894 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder blinks.

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#41 Posted by Thought_Robot (896 posts) - - Show Bio

Oblivion .

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#42 Posted by cosmic_reign (3575 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder

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#43 Posted by saymon3000 (181 posts) - - Show Bio

PR Beyonder is Omnipotent. Google the meaning of that word.

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#44 Edited by Sungsam (3209 posts) - - Show Bio

Oblivion and Pre-Retcon Beyonder made their first debut appearances in Marvel comics within the same era (1984)+ If I'm not mistaken. So we might be able to deduce that Beyonder was at the time of his run, more powerful than Oblivion during his pre-Retcon period. Here's why.

And Beyonder was unimaginably to infinitely more powerful than all of Marvel's Almighty and Existence combined, and that included Oblivion who was also an abstract with personifications and power, so he is still a construct of existence in on itself. So we can logically deduce that we can scale Beyonder from Oblivion's current feats and Oblivion from the beginning of his run, was always an inferior Void to Beyonder.

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#45 Posted by Cognitive (1874 posts) - - Show Bio

PR Beyonder is Omnipotent. Google the meaning of that word.

No,he's nigh-omnipotent.This has been debunked .

He still stomps though.

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#46 Edited by Sungsam (3209 posts) - - Show Bio

@cognitive said:
@saymon3000 said:

PR Beyonder is Omnipotent. Google the meaning of that word.

No,he's nigh-omnipotent.This has been debunked .

He still stomps though.

P.R. Beyonder is not Omnipotent, but he's probably far more powerful than most skeptics think he really is by using deep highballing scaling.

He is unimaginably/infinitely more powerful than Molecule Man during Secret Wars, who at the time was considered more powerful than all of Marvel's Abstracts combined (including LT who was more powerful than all other Marvel Abstracts combined) who are all each at least Infinite Dimensional Multiversal powers and were capable of destroying the entire Multiverse with 1% of their power as per scaling with Infinity = Oblivion >>>> Mikaboshi as is standard for all Marvel Abstract beings. And Marvel's Multiverses and Megaverses constantly multiply and give birth to new Infinite or Higher Dimensional Multiverses by potential every constant according to TOAA and Thanos.

Beyonder is probably quintillion quadrillion times of the total multiplied chains infinite dimensional by infinities by infinities combined of power of the rest of Marvel even with little of his power remaining as the embodiment of the Beyond Realm (an Infinite Dimensional non-Dimension) that sees Marvel's Multiverse and all its existence aside from him at the time as quintillion quadrillion times infinitesimal to his power. Which is a feat that very very little non-Omnipotent characters can match.

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#47 Posted by TheVoidofDeath (2143 posts) - - Show Bio

I cannot begin to comprehend how some of you state Oblivion would win or even believe that he has some sort of chance of victory

1. The One Above All

2. Thanos Heart of The Universe: absorbed Living Tribunal and Abstracts

3. Pre Retcon Beyonder: He can do anything he wishes with the power of multiverses.

4. Pre Retcon Molecule Man: Second to Beyonder in Secret wars saga

5. Living Tribunal: Judge of all the Multiverse, and the Representative of TOAA.

6. The Infinity Gauntlet: Makes you God but not the Writer.

7. Ultimate Nullifier: Obliterated and Remade the Multiverse

8. Abraxas: need I say?

9. Molecule Man (The real one): nearly collapsed the multiverse

10.Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity (embodiments of the Multiverse-Time&Space)

11.Atleza (the 616 Multiversal Anchor)

(They stabilize their respective Multi-verses, to avoid being absorbed by Oblivion)

12. Oblivion (Embodiment of nothingness/Counterbalance of the Anchor) (resides in the Cosmic Vortex, swallowing Multi-verses that collapse, are destroyed, nullified, and displaced by a weakened Anchor)

13. The Infinites (, are the maintenance crew of the Multi-verse)

The Makers (Created the Micro-verse, a Universe made up of countless pocket universes,),

The Cosmic Containment Units: (Can create universes, can become universes.

14. etc

You see my point guys Oblivion is not even top 10, while The Beyonder is arguably in top 2.

-Ashley

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#48 Posted by TheVoidofDeath (2143 posts) - - Show Bio

@sungsam:

Indeed, I find that it's because people do not read, and they automatically assume things without applying feats or statements

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#49 Posted by U_WOT_M8 (1403 posts) - - Show Bio

No one is omnipotent in fiction, it's not even possible since the author isn't even omnipotent

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#50 Edited by Sungsam (3209 posts) - - Show Bio

@u_wot_m8 said:

No one is omnipotent in fiction, it's not even possible since the author isn't even omnipotent

No one is Omnipotent in fiction, because there's nothing in fiction. In fact, nothing exists in fiction. Fiction are all hypothesis, theories and what-ifs strung with stories and expressive ideas and only exist within the confines of our language's abstractions from reality and our comprehension. So saying no Omnipotent exists in fiction is as useful as saying Vampires do not exist in fiction.