PR beyonder vs the brothers yin and yang

who takes this

(btw just for reference living tribunal was barely able to hold off the brothers just saying)

Yeah, but PR Beyonder had LT shaking in his wee booties. PR Beyonder wins.

Since that dreadfully awefull crossover isn't canon and can never be taken seriously, even though it was hard to take pr beyonder seriously with that jerry curl, the concept of what he was is not.

both are in the same league (meaning TOAA level), so id say it's a stalemate or id give it to the bros as they are 2.

@LubeMan said:

Since that dreadfully awefull crossover isn't canon and can never be taken seriously, even though it was hard to take pr beyonder seriously with that jerry curl, the concept of what he was is not.

of who the brothers?

Beyonder wins

It's pretty obvious who would win.

and whom would that be? it's a tough call if you ask me.

@rolldestroyer: The guy who made The Living Tribunal, Eternity and the other cosmic beings sh*t there pants so much that they had to get help from the human who also has the guys powers.

when the brothers were fighting, they literally dwarfed living tribunal and the spectre, the weird thing though, is that LT and spectre did affect the brothers earlier. Also secret wars LT was weaker back then.

Bumping!!!!!!!

I yin and yan in the chinese bible or the almalgam brothers?

@rolldestroyer: LT's power level has never been changed. He is the same now, as he was in the secret wars.

The Almalgam Brothers.

then perhaps, you can explain his battle against nebulos? in strange tales #163:

Gallery

Or the instance where korvac (amped by the powers of various entities) was able to defy LT's power, and all LT could do was seal the universe from the rest of the multiverse? in What if v1 #32:

Gallery

and if you think that this issue is non canon (since it's a what if? issue) this event was referenced in LT's bio:

it was also seen in the quasar issues.

the difference is pretty clear if you ask me.

Alright I have no idea why peoples saying Beyonder wins so easily. I say Beyonder is going up against both brothers not only one. He is not only going up against the being who represents Marvel but DC also. I think after a good fight it will be a bloody stalemate.

I think this would be a very good fight though I will give the victory to the Beyonder in the end.

Pre-Retcon Beyonder Omnistomps.

Pre-Retcon Beyonder has made his own universe, he's only under TOAA/presence

PR Beyonder

If pre-retcon Beyonders power is true,he can beat LT,T.O.A.A AND THE PRESENCE all at the same time easy.Remember I`m not the guy who said his universe is like an ocean compared to a drop of water in ours .That was a freaking dumb ass marvel writer,and they have been trying to retcon it for 30years now.But some dummy always has a story with Beyonder close to his orignal powers.Make up your mind already,is he the most powerful being in Marvel or not,Answer please?

Yes I understand

and the concept of the writer or (Stan Lee) being the Fulcrum,or Kirby being T.O.A.A,but pre-retcon is still tough as hell to beat no matter who you put up against him!Would still like to see him come back at original levels.

PR Beyonder is not omnipotent, why do people struggle to accept that; he is nigh-omnipotent.

@kingant27: he is omnipotent

@comicsrulebutdbzdoes2: lol.

@mysticmedivh: Thanks for the info,at one time Beyonder was my favorite character,but when they started all this retcon stuff it really pissed me off.Now I see Spiderman with B`s power for like a billionth of a second wreck all the heros and Galactus.Who moon dragon just built up as having no dimensions or boundries.And all we see is the tip of the iceberg.And Spiderman wrecks him,while owen can`t even beat sentry .their origins must have been separated.If anyone is more updated than me please let me know?Thanks again for the info mysticmdivh.

LT can barely hold them off? PR Beyonder had LT begging not to take action, of any kind.

He isnt nigh he is Omni

@galactus1967: Owen has only been retconned once and from marvels view sentry is very powerful more so than Odin, they wouldn't of shown all the fears he has of they didn't have plans for him

@beyondergod: @comicsrulebutdbzdoes2: @mysticmedivh: @galactus1967: This has gone far enough. I challenge all of you to one single CAV, with you using Beyonder as any or all versions and me with lucifer and/or Michael. Nothing will change if it were a regular debate, you would just still go back and do the exact same thing.

I really, truly, hate it when people make claims that they never back up, and if you can not stand against me individually, you can do it as a team. Omnipotent huh, GOD.

Either accept or do not. Just do not waste time thinking of excuses.

@comicsrulebutdbzdoes2: Omnipotence cannot be stolen. Therefor Beyonder is not omnipotent.

@van_cere: it would be pointless it would either be stalemate or beyonder wins due to their power shared betweent the two Of team

Alien X

HOTU

The Source

So?

It would be pointless its been stated.

@lucano: when was it stolent??? He gave it away he didn't get stolen

@beyondergod: Your point?

Beyonder's power was stolen by Doom. A true omnipotent being is for starters an impossibility, because a single entity cannot hold all that power by definition. Only a plural entity can, omnipotence cannot be held without omniscience and omnipresence. For example, the best or closest thing to achieving true omnipotence is Elaine Beloc merging with every living thing and with everything at the end of the Wolf Beneath the Tree arc, achieving omnipresence and omniscience along with omnipotence.

An omniscient being cannot be stripped of his power.

LOL

Sure man you think that bro

Heart of the universe was TOAA power and who stolen that?....oh thanos?

The Source is a fraction of the presence power who stolen that?.....oh darkseid

see my point?.......

@beyondergod: Still, neither of them is omnipotent. Statements do not count. If a being is capable of doing absolutely everything, then it is omnipotent. By definition and logic, no fiction character can be omnipotent because for that, their creators need to be so first. For one to be omnipotent, needs to know EVERYTHING, to be capable of doing everthing. I highly doubt that any writter in this planet is omnipotent.

Writers>Fan opinion

@beyondergod: It is not fan opinion. Does Stan Lee know everything that it is to be known about this and every galaxy and universe? No. Therefor Stan Lee is not omniscient and by definition is not omnipotent. Ergo, none of his characters can be omnipotent, because they are restricted to his knowledge and imagination only. Same applies to every writter and fiction character ever written.

Again.......

He is TOAA so its invalid.

@beyondergod: Just as I've been poiting valid arguments. Care to explain. Why?

@beyondergod: The HOTU is not omnipotence, merely the power of that creation and everything in it. Real omnipotent created that creation, and can create far more.

The source was another version when it's power was stolen.

Alien X is not an omnipotent, and there is no proof it is even above universal.

this

Like I said..

@mysticmedivh: Because by definition and most of all logic, he cannot be omnipotent, because he is limited to what a limited intellect (the writters) can imagine him to be able to do. To be TRULLY omnipotent you need to be able to grasp the real concept of everything in existence, so you can do everything. Therefor, The Beyonder being a fiction character is limited to what the autor can imagine, if the autor is not omniscient and omnipotent, he cannot imagine absolutely everything his character could do. Which means, no omnipotence. It is actually simple, leaving fanboism aside, there is no omnipotents in fiction, at all.

Also I've never said he doesn't win this battle, he actually does. What I am saying is that the term omnipotence is thrown away very cheaply around here.

@lucano: Beyonder only let Doom have a tiny fraction of his power because he was curious what he would do with it. He states that after taking it back and sending everyone home.

@spambot: Your point?