TOAA has been displayed as of recent as not actually being omnipotent, and being unable to perceive or control certain things in their universe. The Living Tribunal has even implied that something greater may exist.
Granted, this is from a writer who writes god-like beings always as nothing more than powerful people who appear like gods to those below them, so take the validity and/or consistency of such events with a pinch of salt.
Eh Beyonder was always above LT who stated the Beyonder was beyond him already... Beyonder is too OP for about anyone. And TOAA after recton is much WEAKER then Beyonder
@diarrhearegatta: Damn, has he fallen from grace? He's my favorite writer ever in comics.
The Infinity Conflict was solid at some points, but I feel like Starlin seems to wank his creation a bit too much these days, if you know what I mean.
He's quit Marvel anyway due to allegations by himself about Marvel ripping off his ideas and putting them in other stories without crediting him. Considering the history that Marvel has had with editorial mistreatment, I'm not surprised.
No one is omnipotent in fiction. Too much hype for TOAA/AAO among fanboys without feats or credibility to go with TOAA/AAO. The fanboys did it to themselves to believe that a fictional character can't be defeated.
Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of).
In general as the Supreme Beings of their Multiverse PR B = TOAA/AAO = The Presence. But if you want to split hairs PRB > TOAA
If I go by what Jim Shooter says, at that point Beyonder is 1980s Toaa . Thats why Engleheart/Defalco needed to recton him after Shooter left . The shortcoming of Beyonder was his longing to be human, and being human. ( The Beyonder was beyond infinite. He likewise had a humanoid structure .) Jim Shooter's avatar was the Beyonder this is an anecdotal portrayal... etc blah .
@supermanwin1875 Provided sufficient evidence that Toaa != Taao that appeared in Starlin's stories. Even ignoring that. Other marvel writers do seem to ignore Starlin's stories. For example. That the infinity stones are born in the big bang and the glove only works in the universe it is native too. Whereas even in Starlin's later stories there is only one set of stones in the entire multiverse. And others saying HoTU is non canon. Yet Starlin still references it in later stories. So this doesn't seem to be so much of a retcon. So much as Taao that appeared in starlin's stories and the way he operates is local only to starlin's stories.
Is Post-Retcon TOAA the non-canon TOAA from that one Starlin story @professorrespect?
Yeah
As I mentioned above four years ago even when the instance was fresh it was still pretty sus due to Starlin's very low opinion on cosmic beings, he had Thanos outlogic TOAA in a separate one. It's also just not canon anyway and the instance was overblown in comparison to what people thought it meant.
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