Post Crisis Supergirl vs New 52 Supergirl

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New-52 Supergirl isn't impressive in the slightest, Post-Crisis is relatively impressive so she should win.

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Post-Crisis vibrates her hand through New 52 Supergirl's head.

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@frozen said:

New-52 Supergirl isn't impressive in the slightest, Post-Crisis is relatively impressive so she should win.

Seriously? She has some impressive feats.

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@kazuma_bushi said:

@frozen said:

New-52 Supergirl isn't impressive in the slightest, Post-Crisis is relatively impressive so she should win.

Seriously? She has some impressive feats.

Not really. She's not in top-band, Superman clone humiliated her and Superman then beat that clone easily, Wonder Woman humiliated her and a holding back Flash dealt with her once serious. Whether or not Post-Crisis Supergirl was at that band with Loeb PIS, she still has more feats and reliable ones too.

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Post-Crisis vibrates her hand through New 52 Supergirl's head.

Eh, not really. Her vibrating feats are very limited compared to Superman's.

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#8  Edited By Kazuma_Bushi

@frozen said:

@kazuma_bushi said:

@frozen said:

New-52 Supergirl isn't impressive in the slightest, Post-Crisis is relatively impressive so she should win.

Seriously? She has some impressive feats.

Not really. She's not in top-band, Superman clone humiliated her and Superman then beat that clone easily, Wonder Woman humiliated her and a holding back Flash dealt with her once serious. Whether or not Post-Crisis Supergirl was at that band with Loeb PIS, she still has more feats and reliable ones too.

Who are you referring to by superman clone? She lost to WW but I'm not sure this can be classified as being "humiliated". Wonder Woman even admits they're closely matched in strength and speed. She put up a good fight. The Flash won too but she still put up a decent fight, managing to tag him a few times. I think these are good showings even though she lost.

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@kazuma_bushi: She lost to a Superman clone in Superman #6. He beat on her for the entire issue and none of her attacks even phased him, every single narration box said that it was a violent beating and that she needed saving from the hands of the clone, some boxes describing it as nearly killing her....until of course Superman shows up.

Against Wonder Woman, once she gets serious blitzes Kara twice and then ties her up, once she got serious they did not seem closely matched.

And against Flash, the next page shows him taking her out.

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@kazuma_bushi: Here are the scans.

Clone humiliates Kara.

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Superman man-handles and then humiliates clone, Kara admits he beat her.

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#11  Edited By Kazuma_Bushi

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Her getting totally manhandled by a clone of Superman baffles me especially when she was doing fairly well against the original Superman, albeit one that was trying to help her. But regardless that's the only showing where I can say she just flat out got manhandled.

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@kazuma_bushi: In those same scans you posted, he was easily dealing with her at parts and was simply trying to reason with her, Shazam did a similar thing when he tried to reason with him, she did not really hurt him, however once more serious in the later showing she got lolstomped.

I think it's clear he's more powerful, he seems as powerful as Bronze Age Superman now.

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@frozen said:

@kazuma_bushi: In those same scans you posted, he was easily dealing with her at parts and was simply trying to reason with her, Shazam did a similar thing when he tried to reason with him, she did not really hurt him, however once more serious in the later showing she got lolstomped.

I think it's clear he's more powerful, he seems as powerful as Bronze Age Superman now.

Yeah I noted that. In all their fights New 52 and Post Crisis Superman always appears so be holding back against in her in some form or fashion.

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@kazuma_bushi: In fairness, New-52 Superman holds back a lot less and is quicker to rush into combat, though his durability seems lower he seems much stronger based on some of his feats.

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Kara lost to a super man clone...but peple conveniently leave out the fact that she'd just gotten her powers 5 issues ago at that point lol. Way to go haters.lol

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^ Sure, she lost to a clone, but she was also new when she briefly smacked around Superman.

@frozen: Red Lantern Amp.

Not done anything thus far.

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@frozen: This was already fair fight without the amp. She's performed well against WW and Superman, not to mention trounced Kryptonian war machines and Lobo. With the standard ring amp and mindless she: broke free of a Green Lantern construct (put in place by an experienced Hal Jordan) and smashed Guy Gardner down (before he perceived her movement). It took three Green and Red Lanterns to restrain her and two of those were Jordan and Gardner. So yeah, New 52 wins.

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@papinacho: She did not do well, Superman was handling her and Wonder Woman beat her handily, then she lost to a Superman clone. By the way, there are two Lobo's at the moment. Restraining Supergirl isn't really a testament to their own ability if all they are trying to do is restrain her.

Post-Crisis wins.

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I won't give my vote just yet. I'm here just to make sure things are accurate just in case someone says something wrong or out of context.

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@frozen: Yeah she beat up the one who stomped Hawkman. Also, of course it is a testament to her own strength to escape Hal Jordan's constructs and that she needed to be restrained by six lanterns. Their constructs are supposed to be Superman tier strong. Wonder Woman didn't beat her handily. Plus she has documented martial arts training.

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And the lanterns didn't get a reboot

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@papinacho: Hawkman isn't really at that level.....it's not really a testament considering many have escaped his constructs in the New-52, did she actually beat Hal? If Lanterns are merely trying to restrain her, and not beat her then it can only say so much.

Wonder Woman did beat her actually...she blitzed Kara twice and pretty much won that fight, handily.

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@frozen: Who else who isn't Superman level has broken constructs? The Lanterns might only be trying to restrict, but if it took six then that means she not only has the strength to break one but five constructs at once. I think it says a lot. Also New 52 Hawkman has fought evenly with both Aquaman and Wonder Woman.

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@papinacho: That depends on what the Lanterns are actually trying to do, if they are all trying to take her out then it does say a lot, but if they are simply trying to restrain her then they can only apply so much force, it can only say so much and is not really proof that she can take on a number of Lanterns in an actual fight. They are two separate things all together.

So was that specific Lantern one trying to restrain her?

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@frozen: I'm not saying she can beat the Lantern. What I'm bringing up is her strength. If she is stronger and also a better fight (with her documented martial arts training) there really isn't any reason she should loose the fight unless post-crisis was overwhelmingly faster. No evidence has been presented of such a fact.

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@papinacho: We already know she's strong, nobody should deny but she's not stronger than Post-Crisis, she has been overpowered/beaten by 3 major powerhouses and using the Lantern 'feat' is iffy if all they're trying to do is restrain her, Post-Crisis also knew martial-arts, but never showcased whereas New-52 I have not really seen any impressive use of skill against the powerhouses she fought.

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I think a lot of people base their incorrect opinion based off of respect threads. People should read comics too. It helps with context. Having said that, I think we should give new 52 Kara some more time. It's only been 30 issues.

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@frozen: She defeated four kryptonian clones when underpowered by red solar radiation with martial arts alone. The Lantern feat isn't iffy, because it shows strength not combat ability. She is stronger and a better fighter. I have yet to see any Post-crisis feats that do better.

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@papinacho: Sure, however she displayed no martial arts against Wonder Woman, Flash or Superman clone, whom all of which she lost to - so why do so against robots and not against others? The Lantern feat is iffy, because it's not a feat. It shows her being strong and rageful whereas others are simply trying to restrain her, what shows strength is if they were trying to take her out and lost, sort of like Superboy Prime vs Lantern corps. Post-Crisis has a ton of better feats, her durability withstood a planetary explosion.

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Post Crisis Supergirl for the win!

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@frozen: What tier do you put Supergirl on? I know Powergirl is physically strong enough to match Wonder Woman, but Supergirl is alot weaker (although it seems she got stronger in New 52).

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PC Kara.

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@xlr87t3 said:

@frozen: What tier do you put Supergirl on? I know Powergirl is physically strong enough to match Wonder Woman, but Supergirl is alot weaker (although it seems she got stronger in New 52).

Post-Crisis Power Girl is equal to Post-Crisis Supergirl.

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@frozen said:
@xlr87t3 said:

@frozen: What tier do you put Supergirl on? I know Powergirl is physically strong enough to match Wonder Woman, but Supergirl is alot weaker (although it seems she got stronger in New 52).

Post-Crisis Power Girl is equal to Post-Crisis Supergirl.

That actually makes Powergirl weaker than I thought she was

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PC >> N52.

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Pre-52 Kara.

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Pre 52, She phased through Solid Objects and vibrated herself to being rendered invisible.

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Most Post Crisis characters would beat their New 52/Rebirth counterparts.