Po and Tigress Vs Shifu

This is Po and Tigress from The Kung Fu Panda Universe and they both get all of the feats they had in Kung Fu Panda 1-3, but no Chi Empowered Po, and Shifu gets all of the feats he had as well,

No BFR,

All Abilities Allowed,

Morals Are Off,

Who Wins ?

I didn't watch KF3 but didn't Po surpass everyone?

@deathhero61: Nah.

OT: Shifu wins.

Po alone was already above Shifu in the first movie, and by the third, there's no competition. Adding Tigress in there just makes it a stomp.

Please by the end of the first movie was already stronger than shifu

@beast_mode999: @full123:

Why would you say he was above Shifu in the 1st Movie,

@justiceleague1: Because he easily held back and defeated angry Tai Lung while Shifu was stomped by him?

Team, Po solos.

@justiceleague1:

Shift was ragdolled by Tai Lungwhile Po made a joke out of him

.....
What?

Have people ever heard of what "Holding Back" means?

Plus, ABC logic.

@anthp2000:

Wait, wasn't Shifu's goal to hold Tai Lung off:

Shifu:

"I can hold him off long enough, for everyone to escape."

Po:

"But Shifu ?, He'll kill you."

And?

If we go by plot, CIS and PIS, sure Po is better. If we go by feats and what's shown, not so much...

Please just look at the two fights and tell me Tai Lung put the same effort...
Po is not called plot machine for nothing. This is one of the best examples.

@anthp2000:

I know,

That is what I meant, Shifu was not trying to kill Tai Lung,

I always had the impression Shifu held back,

@justiceleague1: Tell that to all the people who say Po > Shifu.

Po solos

@anthp2000:

Eh, they are entitled to their own opinion,

Tai Lung was focused on The scroll while fighting Po,

Tai Lung wanted it when fighting Shifu but he was trying to kill Shifu/severly injure him,

I feel Po took more of a beating though, but Shifu>Po in terms of Skill Speed, etc,

@justiceleague1: I agree.

@anthp2000:

I am glad we agree,

You and I got off to a rough start, though I respect the rules alot more now,

@decaf_wizard:

Why do ya say that?

@justiceleague1: Pretty much.

@anthp2000:

BTW, The "Kung fu panda po vs tigress" thread is still open for discussion,

Ah, My very first thread,

Team wins

Po became better than Shifu in the third movie

@ridd:

Why do you say that ?

why not?

Po is better than Shifu, he could solo and if Shifu is really better then why didn't he stop Tai Lung in KP1 himself?

@foxerdes:

Eh, not true,

He actually has legitimate feats, of Strength, Durability, etc,

1. Maybe because he didn't want to hurt him.
2. Tai Lung's effort against Po was hardly any comparable to that against Shifu... he was focused on the scroll and plot deviced stuff like that whereas he was bloodlusted against Shifu.

@anthp2000:

Actually Po tanked 4 Nerve strike hits, as well as Tai Lung striking him very hard in the stomach, and lots of other hits as well, Tai Lung tried to deal lots of damage to Po, also when Po caught The Dragon Scroll, [The kick Tai Lung delivered to him that hit him on the ground and the strike he delivered to Po striking down on him which made a big crater], those two strikes were more powerful than anything that Tai Lung did to Shifu,

Po>Shifu in Durability/Strength/Endurance,

Overall Shifu>Po,

@justiceleague1: I meant that Shifu wasn't really trying to hurt Tai Lung.

And I agree on that too.

@anthp2000:

I know,

I was just replying back to the fact that you said Tai Lung's effort against Po was hardly any comparable to that against Shifu, when Po tanked much harder hits,

I would say that Tai Lung was bloodlusted after he found out the truth of The Dragon Scroll, he just wanted to kill Po,

@anthp2000: 1. Why Shifu didn't want to hurt him?

2. What do you mean by your second point? tbh it sounds like an excuse.

1. Because he has very strong morals and because Tai was one of his old students whose feelings got hurt by him.

2. Um, excuse? Did you see Tai Lung using any of the stuff he used against Shifu on Po? He was completely bloodlusted against Shifu whereas against po, not only was he focused on something else as well, he wasn't even trying to kill him.

If anyone's seen the T.V. series an Evil Po curbstomped everyone already.

Po solo's.

@anthp2000: 1. So W.H.A.T?

He has strong morals and Tai was his student so he would not stop Tai Lung, the guy who was after the dragon scroll and who can unleash an invasion on everyone?! Well, iirc Tigress or someone else said to Shifu that Oogway could stop Tai Lung to which Shifu replied that Oogway had died. Tigress doesn't even ask Shifu to stop Tai Lung coz she knows Shifu doesn't had it in him.( If you are a good coach that does not mean that you can perform that good as well, take sports as an example.)

2. That's still an excuse. Tai Lung in the bridge fight said that(referring to Dragon Warrior ie Po) "our fight would be legendary".

1. So he H.E.L.D. B.A.C.K.
2. That's not any kind of excuse. It's clear evidence. It's completely stupid to try and compare Tai Lung's performance against Po with his performance against Shifu. Tai Lung wasn't even trying against Po compared to what he did back there.

@anthp2000: 1. If he H.E.L.D B.A.C.K then acc. to you he should held back against Po too and lose the fight.

2. Jesus! why don't you just admit it. So you are saying that Tai Lung lost that fight with Po on PURPOSE??!?! lol you just changed the whole storyline.

1. When exactly did he fight Po?
2. Dude. That's why Po is called a plot machine. HOW CAN'T YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOU?

@anthp2000: 1. In this thread.

2. I don't buy that, to me- Po deafeated Tai Lung and Shifu did not, which automatically makes Po better than Shifu. So yes he solos.

1. Except OP states morals are off.
2. Well, that's stupid. We have evidence in front of us. Shifu >> Po.

@anthp2000: 1. That means Po is morals off too. So if Po>Shifu that doesn't really matter and iirc Po won against Tai Lung while laughing and playing and lol teaching him lessons of honesty and morals between fight.

2. What evidence?

You claiming Shifu>>Po, now that is stupid.

1. Yeah, which means Shifu would solo him and Tigress.
2. No, that's not stupid. Th evidence is in Tai Lung's fights. he didn't put remotely as much effort in fighting Po as he did with Shifu.

@anthp2000: 1. How?

2. But was Shifu able to deafeat Tai Lung?

and if you want to address Po as "plot machine", i can very well state this as an additional power to Po which means he is invincible.

@ridd: To explain it better, Tai Lung was more to Shifu than a student. He was his adopted son and first student.

He really didn't want to fight Tai Lung.

1. By being out of their league.
2. If he is Morals Off, then he is. And if Tai Lung faught him like he faught Po, then he could stomp him.

Yuo can now get out of here, because thankefully, we don't use PIS in fights on CV.

@anthp2000: Oh my god!! Po defeating Tai Lung was no PIS, Next time keep that in your mind, hope it would help your doofus judgement and im not interested in debating someone who BASELESSLY SUGGESTS who would win a fight and who would lose.

@ridd: Yes it is. Po is a walking plot machine no matter which way you want to argue about it.
I'm not suggesting anything baseless. Shifu has much better feats, skill, experience, speed, agility, striking prowess etc. Shifu > Tai Lung >> Po.

@anthp2000: If you really believe that "Shifu > Tai Lung >> Po" then you can go your way and i'll go mine. We cannot agree on this. You are basically suggesting every feat of Po as plot writing.