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Excuse the wait if at all possible had business to attend to. Plus everytime I trying to sit down, upload scans, and write this up something comes up.
Any who jumping to my rebuttal & a battle strategy (should have done one from the start just add this excuse to the list). I’m perfectly fine if you disregard any of my points before but they will undoubtedly be restated.
Starting off with the comment comicvine did not alert me to(note I skipped over character play up don’t find it relevant to the debate).
All this is without even playing my ace in the whole. Psycho Pirate can take advantage of the obvious team weaknesses of say faith between the rest of your team and doom. he can make the natural distrust the heroes in the team would have of Doom a 10000 times more, undermine your team's interaction and team work. Make them fight against each other. Make them despise each other and fight amongst themselves. Your team will be so hard pressed fighting themselves, the shadows wielded by Ian, the souls controlled by Mordru to even face my team. My actual team wont even need to get in to the battle until yours is almost defeated.
Does Psycho-Pirate use Empathy? Well if he does any psionic power will be ineffective, as all psionic energy used against my team will be instantly absorbed.
Stryfe drains X-Man and Cable simultaneously with them unable to fight back.
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And how exactly is your team building their tech. I mean I can just have Mordru matter manipulate to create anything I need to build anything with as well. We both face the same limitations.
Well I stated in my prep “super speed, matter, energy manipulation & time manipulation” (unlike yourself). Doom can create everything from memory being the one who built it. With telepathic powers of X-Man/Cable & Super Speed perception of Captain Atom there is no way he can't simultaneously access all the blueprints he store in his mind. Also let us not forget his natural intelligence which allows him to borderline surpass Reed Richards in tech.
X-Man's telepathy allows him to transfer Sugar Man’s plans & and months of prep to Forge.
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Traps Rachel Grey in a hologram loop, stops, controls Nightcrawlers teleport.
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This is not half of the things Doom will create.
sorry should have been clearer here. I meant TPers in the pay grade of mine. I mean come on BW has mentally commanded the Spectre, Ultra has matched him in TP battle. Plus Ultra has mentally controlled several heroes from another dimension ( including two with TP resistence). he's also mentally dominated MM, Grodd, Hector Hammond ( that was however with a few of them having his brain dampeners)and several others at once. I mean seriously Only X-man is competing with them in TP and even that's a huge push.
Wouldn't change anything
Doom has all of X-Man & Cables capabilities with telepathy due to prep (yes I’ll also give more insight on how this is at all possible in the slightest).
Cable has planet level telepathy although for a good cause (the same reason this story arc calls him savior). Cable reads everyone’s mind simultaneously even getting pass Shields PSI blocker (infamous tech in Marvel), Emma with cerebro couldn't match him, connected minds Silver Surfer & the world while he was dying.
X-Man has the Power Gem, Thor w/the Power Gem has completely owned Moon Dragon with the Mind Gem while playing helpless & dumb. This is a feat due to the location the psychic plane a place where the Mind Gem should reign supreme. (scans below)
Adding to all of this all psionic energy will be absorbed no matter if it’s used against my team or simply standing in their presence. No questions asked.
Ahh DUDe that's the IG, it might say the power gem but he ahs the full power of the IG in that scan so really not applicable at all.
You cannot deny on panel evidence, clearly stated by Dr Strange “The Power Gem--repository of pure might which can literally almost anything. Against it, none of my valued tail could stand”. Dr Strange goes on to say “Warlock has still not used his sixth and final weapon--”. Seems to me Adam Warlock was ONLY using the Power Gem, beating showing superiority to Dr Strange. So what proof do you have that contradicts this?
In case you missed it Thanos believes it the other way around. FYI this is Thanos before the infinity gauntlet saga.
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Plus that’s not the last time Power Gem has proven to be above Classic SS Dr Strange. Thor with no experience at all using the Power Gem, took down Adam Warlock & Dr Strange prepped with the Soul Gem, warped reality & matched Odin for strength.
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Does none of this seem odd to you?
Please show me where exactly in my post I mentioned possession?? I said have control over them after he turns them to shadows. Ian has complete control over all shadows and areas of Darkness.
As a super genius scientist back in the 40's he developed Technology to turn living things into shadows, that's how he became a shadow in the first place. he was stuck as a shadow after Dr Fate destroyed his first machine . With only basic knowledge of Ian Doom wont know how his tech works and wont have a counter no matter how much prep he gets.
You have not but I understood it as such but now I understand that is not to be the case.
Doom in all likelihood would find out how Ian's tech works, due to Captain Atom’s power set. Doom can now dismantle the machines atom by atom, until he understands it & remake it in an instant. Another reason all tech needs a power source & that alone him to at least dismantle it. But this is not a point I need to make.
How exactly does one destroy an eternal soul pray tell. I mean this is their after life. Both Souls and shadows are metaphysical so you disintegrator beam might as well be a tooth pick. I mean I possess one of the few talismans in my boon that can actually affect the dead. For that matter it can animate things that are inanimate. So every rock, twig, or piece of space dust that exists in the area can also be fighting for me. I really never got why all the first ones to pick left two of the most powerful boons available. The Ring gives an ordinary hood the power to defeat the Spectre. It was used by the Spectre to defeat those more powerful than himself. When Kulak had it he one shotted Spectre, Then used Spectre as a pawn then One shotted Classic Fate then used it to almost destroy Earth 2 even though the Almighty ( now called Presence) had set up boundaries that prevented him from even entering that universe. He could destroy a planet from another plane of existence. Imagine what he could have done if he was near.
My battle strategy below but to answer your question... With another Immortal.
Hao is a shaman and as a shaman he has levels of control over spirits (living or dead), being over 1000 years old he has mastered every technique in his universe. The most prominent ability is to reincarnate his soul at will to another body. This allowed him to live for hundreds of years by moving from body to body. At one point Hao waited 500 years deciding to be reborn as child of a descendant. During that time as a kid with no effort at all kills a navy fleet then revives them from ashes.
Revives Soldiers
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As Shaman King he has complete control of spirits in his universe (in his universe everything has a soul) & over who lives and who dies literally no longer needing a body. Hoa is now effectively immortal willing himself inexistence & draw his power form what is known as the Great Spirit being regarded as the spirit of the universe and has been stated to have been created at the point of the big bang. Hoa has enough power to absorb hundreds of thousands souls with a thought, return those souls to earth in bodies he created, create a miniature sun the holds all the power of our sun with the added effect to burn souls from existence, and miniature black holes that drawn in endless amount of souls crushing them out of existence. I truly don’t see how you team can defeat him easily. The five main characters of the sires used elemental spirits different manifestations of the universe & drawing upon his power stalemated him, and talked him out of destroying earth.
Hao’s has a self-limitation only using the Great Spirit within his realm of knowledge not to its full potential.
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In this universe if your soul gets destroyed your existence is revoked.
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Summons the power of the sun. (last scan you can see the scale of the miniature sun)
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How exactly are they supposed to achieve this when so far in the battle they haven't even faced one of my team. I've sent the eternal (ergo indestructible) Souls of the planet Qward under the control of the Ring of life, the animated inanimate objects of the planet ( also courtesy of the ring), the pieces of shadow and darkness from the planet and everywhere around it - or the void itself), potentially their own shadows to also fight them. One of the shadows sent carrying Ian's device that changes some of your team to shadows ( which you can't feasibly have a counter for) making them combatants for my team ( would be interesting if the ones turned to shadows were the 30 Captain Atoms wouldn't it).
Draining your team would not be hard if you think ridiculous amounts of fodder would stop my team. All covered below.
Mind you Captain Atom is the least threatening on my team. Hao could defeat him then return him to my team.
They are so far up against millions of metaphysical opponents who they have no means of destroying, with some of their own numbers turned to my side or in my control by a means you don't have protection form because non of your team have ever faced it and can't understand it. Yet they are going to get close enough to my team to drain their power??? Unbelievable much ??
Plus I don't find it unbelievable any uses of energy will be instantly absorbed no matter the power source & it doesn't even require to Doom understand of the source.
Dooms tech absorbs & analyzes Captain Universes cosmic blast
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Now added to which using either Mordu's magic or a device made by Ultra Psycho pirate ( also from safety) can be altering their emotions to take advantage of the natural mistrust heroes would have of Doom completely undermining your teams effectiveness and voiding most of your prep.
Magic will be absorbed like all other forms of energy.
I don't see how my team can have any mistrust being telepathically connected & constantly seeing the future. Plus the only one you can seek to turn my team against is Doom obviously (but it would not work). would not void out any of my prep and only taking simple adjustments in strategy
Brainwave can also send thousands of his three dimensional brain constructs to fight while safely away from the scene the same way he usually fights the JSA from afar.Thus meaning your now fighting even greater odds and amongst yourself meaning that it's even more unlikely you can get near my team.
Brain constructs are the equivalent, PSI constructs in Marvel also able to be absorbed something I will not stop stressing.
Ultra having also made robots in the bast can could during his prep have done this to match Doom's Doombots. Since however he is far more accomplished in medical science than the other sciences and has perfected genetic manipulation to the point of making super powered beings, cloning, brain transplants etc. he will far more likely work on a creating an army of super powered soulless beings that can easily be controlled and manipulated by BW or Ian. He could even have Mordru create a few thousand human forms that he then genetically manipulates to be as physically strong as Superman ( as he did hid own ape body), possess nuclear fission power to create energy blasts and brake and remake atoms ( as he gave Cyclotron), as well as the power to alter their own molecular structure ( as he gave Amazingman). Or he could simply telepathically show Mordru how to create them with these ability and how to build their DNA so that this is what they are capable of.
I address this in my battle strategy.
AHH NO. The power Gem gives the user great strength and durability ( potentially limitless). It can only give the user vast energy powers if mastered. No one on your team has ever held the gem so they wont have "mastery" and I SERIOUSLY doubt they will achieve it in 5 hours unless that is all you do in your prep. Suddenly things are looking pretty grim for you since most of your plan is void
I have clearly state that my team will be operating at Planck length in prep. To physicists this what is Planck length is to Comics Planck length is stepping out of time. So it would not be remotely outlandish to say Doom recreates everything he ever made, gives it to all of my team/Doombots, make 200 Doombots (50 trillion if he wanted to) with Silver Surfer level power & adamantium bodies (fyi Doom made an adamantium chainsaw to perform surgery on Hulk), masters his new power sets & X-Man masters the Power Gem with his psychometry.
Planck length
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X-Man Psychometry learns the entire events of Marvel earth he has missed.
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Surfer level Doombots and recreates the power cosmic.
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Battle Strategy
Hao opens with a Solar Flare setting the planet ablaze with the suns heat, then adds the Spirit of Fire(SOF is the concept of fire) to the flames making them inextinguishable for anyone but himself & burning out any soul without his protection. Then proceed to absorb Ultra Humanite, and Ian Karkull souls, adding their knowledge, plans, & powers to his. In addition to their powers their tech & minions will also be under his control, allowing Doom & Cable to assimilate their tech easily. Hao will then be placed by X-Man at Planck length where he may heal and revive teammates accordingly without having to engage in physical battle.
Captain Atom will send 10 duplicates into the time stream watching every point in time that encompasses the battle & feeding info constantly to my team.
X-Man & 10 Captain Atoms will teleport to Mordru engaging him in a contest of power, reflecting & draining him of magic, over powering him, & strip him of the ring of life. To ensure this X-Man will have augmented his visions of the future with the Power Gem, countering Mordru on every front.
Doom, Cable, 10 Captain Atoms & 200 Doombots will go after Psycho-Pirate & Brain Wave. Brain Wave will produce mass numbers of constructs for protection, which will empower my team, and quicken his defeat. Psycho-Pirate can do all he can to manipulate my team but does he have a way of fighting Silver Surfer Level Doombots?
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