PIS vs CIS

" @geraldthesloth said:

" @spidey 15 said:

" @geraldthesloth said:

" @spidey 15 said:

" @NickA said:

" What is the worst case of PIS yall have seen "

Spiderman beating firelord. Rhino giving a fight to Silver Surfer Bullseye KOing DD with a paper plane Kingpin lifting a table and hitting spidey with it etc..=] "

Wait how is that pis? he's been consistantly tagging fast people his whole career. "

That's very different.   Either it was PIS or spidey let him to tag him. When you see your opponet  without him having super human speed, lifting a table and coming to hit you and you don't avoid it, then is really bad writing.=] "

1.Kingpin is very fast for a man of his size, multiple people have noted it including Daredevil,and Spiderman.  2.A table has a wide strike radius it's not like doding a knife or baseball bat if it hits you it's going to hit you on a good portion of your body at once. "

1) It's different to tag someone with your own fists. This is accepatable. 2) My point is that kingpin needs time to lift the table and try to attack with it. Spidey has spider-sense and super human reflexes. Not to mention that the whole time he was looking at kingpin. I can't find any excuse of kingpin being so fast that he was able to lift a desk and then land it at spidey.=] "

" @The Dark Huntress:   HE'S NOT EVEN HUMAN! "

" @JediXMan said:

" @The Dark Huntress:   HE'S NOT EVEN HUMAN! "

I KNOW! It's all sooo wrong. "

" @The Dark Huntress said:

" @JediXMan said:

" @The Dark Huntress:   HE'S NOT EVEN HUMAN! "

I KNOW! It's all sooo wrong. "

Every single panel of that page makes me sick. "

" @JediXMan said:

" @The Dark Huntress said:

" @JediXMan said:

" @The Dark Huntress:   HE'S NOT EVEN HUMAN! "

I KNOW! It's all sooo wrong. "

Every single panel of that page makes me sick. "

Agreed. Who wrote that? "

" @spidey 15 said:

" @geraldthesloth said:

" @spidey 15 said:

" @geraldthesloth said:

" @spidey 15 said:

" @NickA said:

" What is the worst case of PIS yall have seen "

Spiderman beating firelord. Rhino giving a fight to Silver Surfer Bullseye KOing DD with a paper plane Kingpin lifting a table and hitting spidey with it etc..=] "

Wait how is that pis? he's been consistantly tagging fast people his whole career. "

That's very different.   Either it was PIS or spidey let him to tag him. When you see your opponet  without him having super human speed, lifting a table and coming to hit you and you don't avoid it, then is really bad writing.=] "

1.Kingpin is very fast for a man of his size, multiple people have noted it including Daredevil,and Spiderman.  2.A table has a wide strike radius it's not like doding a knife or baseball bat if it hits you it's going to hit you on a good portion of your body at once. "

1) It's different to tag someone with your own fists. This is accepatable. 2) My point is that kingpin needs time to lift the table and try to attack with it. Spidey has spider-sense and super human reflexes. Not to mention that the whole time he was looking at kingpin. I can't find any excuse of kingpin being so fast that he was able to lift a desk and then land it at spidey.=] "

For the same reasons Namor was able to do the same with a table to apocalypse, they are both fast enough to surprise their foes even though their reaction time outclasses theirs. "

" PIS or WIS? 
 

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" @Son_of_Magnus said:

" @spidey 15 said:

" @courtney12490: Oh, i see. Like Loeb.=] "

Not entirely I mean really where was the Hulk book going anyway? Who was reading it before? I certainly was not and I do not know anyone who was. Allot of good things have come from Loeb's tinkering Loeb gets a bad rap because most people lay the blame with out looking into it. Just look at Hush and Superman for all Seasons and you can never doubt Loeb again. "

I guess you might be right. But there are plenty events that Loeb write withput using logic. I don't think we can ingnore them, even if they come good things from that.=]
 
@courtney12490: True.=] "

" Retcon Punch     "

All of these (PIS, CIS, WIS) shouldn't exist.

" @Final Arrow said:

" Retcon Punch     "

Gotta hand it to ya. That is indisputably the greatest (and to make things worse, intended) PIS in comic book history. "

" All of these (PIS, CIS, WIS) shouldn't exist. "

" PIS or WIS? 
 

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" @ComicMan24: CIS is fine.   On a semi-related note, I'm not sure there's an acronym for it, but when the book is about a very smart character like Stark or Richards, smarter than any human is in real life, it's impossible for a writer to come up with the ideas and plans that characters this smart actually would. "

I'm cool with CIS, and on a small scale even PIS. Comics need a little of both in most instances.

" I'm cool with CIS, and on a small scale even PIS. Comics need a little of both in most instances. "

" @Gambler said:

" I'm cool with CIS, and on a small scale even PIS. Comics need a little of both in most instances. "

I agree with that, it's WIS that I find unforgivable in most places. If you are writing a book, then you should have done your research. "

" @The Dark Huntress said:

" @Gambler said:

" I'm cool with CIS, and on a small scale even PIS. Comics need a little of both in most instances. "

I agree with that, it's WIS that I find unforgivable in most places. If you are writing a book, then you should have done your research. "

Exactly "

" I'm cool with CIS, and on a small scale even PIS. Comics need a little of both in most instances. "

They are equally worthless.I have no problem with plot devices but CIS and PIS are completely unnecessary.

" They are equally worthless.I have no problem with plot devices but CIS and PIS are completely unnecessary. "

Without PIS almost all of Flash's rouges gallery would be rendered pointless.
 
I mean, a dude that throws boomerangs and a Mr. Freeze impersonator? Vs. a guy who can travel and react faster than light? Really?

" Without PIS almost all of Flash's rouges gallery would be rendered pointless.  I mean, a dude that throws boomerangs and a Mr. Freeze impersonator? Vs. a guy who can travel and react faster than light? Really? "

" @Vance Astro: Without CIS, Spidey should never be able to beaten most of his opponets.=] "

" @spidey 15 said:

" @Vance Astro: Without CIS, Spidey should never be able to beaten most of his opponets.=] "

Exactly..that's why you don't do it because then you make Spidey look like a b#tch and that's supposed to be Marvel's front man. "

" @Vance Astro said:

" @spidey 15 said:

" @Vance Astro: Without CIS, Spidey should never be able to beaten most of his opponets.=] "

Exactly..that's why you don't do it because then you make Spidey look like a b#tch and that's supposed to be Marvel's front man. "

When doesn't Spiderman look like a b!tch? Ha! Jus playin, dont mind me hatin on Spidey. Everyone's gotta look like a b!tch at some point. Its inevitable. "

" @Gambler:AoA Magneto was a b!tch when he was suicidal, for example. :P
 
Seriously, cool to see AoA getting love, and Magnus in particular. "

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @Gambler:AoA Magneto was a b!tch when he was suicidal, for example. :P
 
Seriously, cool to see AoA getting love, and Magnus in particular. "

HA! sonnovab!tch lol. Chris Bachalo AoA art is sick though for sure. We wont get into the laundry list of b!tch moves by Hank Pym :P "

When doesn't Spiderman look like a b!tch? Ha! Jus playin, dont mind me hatin on Spidey. Everyone's gotta look like a b!tch at some point. Its inevitable. "

" @Vance Astro: The thing is that, spidey faces too powerfull opponets( sand-man, hydro-man, venom etc) so you can't say it's bad to use CIS. It should be nessecary for every hero that faces these opponets. The only way for spidey to beat characters without CIS is to fight opponets that he can beat with his powers.=] "

" @Vance Astro: CIS isn't when you beat your opponet due to lack of intellect? Like sandman. "

PIS and CIS are both good things and needed for plot and story lines 

" PIS and CIS are both good things and needed for plot and story lines  "

" @spidey 15 said:

" @Vance Astro: CIS isn't when you beat your opponet due to lack of intellect? Like sandman. "

No.That actually makes it more believable that he can beat characters like that.It's when Spider-Man wins by means that go against the way the character is setup and their previous showings that cause CIS. "

" @Son_of_Magnus said:

" PIS and CIS are both good things and needed for plot and story lines  "

This is exactly why Loeb and Bendis think they can write whatever they want. "

" @Vance Astro said:

" @Son_of_Magnus said:

" PIS and CIS are both good things and needed for plot and story lines  "

This is exactly why Loeb and Bendis think they can write whatever they want. "

They can be used poorly true but look at this Batman is being killed by Poison Ivy CIS makes her stop and bug out when Batman steps on a rose and he saves him self. OR Wally West is able to borrow speed to defeat Zoom or Spider-Man fight with Sandman leads to a water tower allowing him to defeat him through PIS. Besides Loeb is a good writer who cares if he "ruined" the Hulk  "

" @spidey 15 said:

" @Vance Astro: CIS isn't when you beat your opponet due to lack of intellect? Like sandman. "

No.That actually makes it more believable that he can beat characters like that.It's when Spider-Man wins by means that go against the way the character is setup and their previous showings that cause CIS. "