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#1 Posted by spekqj (610 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm surprised that no one's made this thread yet. Phoenix Five goes up against its original wilder. Who's going to win?

To give Phoenix Five a fair fight, Jean is neither White Phoenix of the Crown nor has authority to separate PF form the hosts.

Both teams are bloodlusted.

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#2 Posted by YoungJustice (7322 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean

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#3 Posted by spekqj (610 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice: Would you mind to explain?

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#4 Posted by YoungJustice (7322 posts) - - Show Bio

@spekqj: Jean has more experience with the PF. She also could mindr*pe 4 of them................

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#5 Posted by X_insignia1 (1433 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean for a hella reasons, as the prime host she can easily rip the force from them...(which she has done in the past against Emma)

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#6 Posted by fanofsuperheroes (224 posts) - - Show Bio

He did state that no ripping the force from them is allowed.

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#7 Posted by fanofsuperheroes (224 posts) - - Show Bio

But yes, Jean, she has way more experience than they do at using and controlling the Phoenix Force.

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#8 Posted by JohnnyWalker (825 posts) - - Show Bio

jean. she may not be permited to rip the PF from them, but she can turn them to drooling idiots. and then piece by piece the PF comes to her. the fact that 4/5 of them have PF is retarded to being with.

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#9 Posted by Roddy010 (6304 posts) - - Show Bio

The force will see Jean as a more powerful user and leave the five...

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#10 Posted by TERMINATORXX (3912 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

Jean

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#11 Edited by MarvelGrey (251 posts) - - Show Bio

P5

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#12 Posted by jeanroygrant (20442 posts) - - Show Bio

@fanofsuperheroes said:

But yes, Jean, she has way more experience than they do at using and controlling the Phoenix Force.

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#13 Posted by charlieboy (7178 posts) - - Show Bio

jean takes this. 

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#14 Posted by Agent9149 (3622 posts) - - Show Bio

Stale mate; the phoenix 5 is basically jean in little bites packaging

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#15 Posted by WARLOCK2792 (18072 posts) - - Show Bio

@Agent9149 said:

Stale mate; the phoenix 5 is basically jean in little bites packaging

Jean IS Phoenix.....they are using HER powers.

She knocks them out by exploiting their beyond obvious weaknesses to physical KO's against their fellow members

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#16 Posted by greenteaforme (1841 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean and the Phoenix were explain to be the same entity before, and Jean is not simply the most compatible host, but the actual "host". If that makes sense.

Jean with the PF is just too much for these guys. Especially since I'm actually going to call Namor a jobber, and they seem to have unstable mental conditions when hosting the PF and are not thinking clearly.

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#17 Posted by Erik (32504 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix Five threads make me want to hurt myself.

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#18 Posted by CapitolPunishment (2483 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix stomps

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#19 Posted by WARLOCK2792 (18072 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik said:

Phoenix Five threads make me want to hurt myself.

Don't do that. You're pretty.

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#20 Posted by spekqj (610 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik: Hmm..So I'm not the only one who does that...interesting...But this time I had to make a thread about this abomination because my curiosity overwhelmed me.

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#21 Posted by TERMINATORXX (3912 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix

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#22 Posted by Erik (32504 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage said:

@Erik said:

Phoenix Five threads make me want to hurt myself.

Don't do that. You're pretty.

:p

@spekqj said:

@Erik: Hmm..So I'm not the only one who does that...interesting...But this time I had to make a thread about this abomination because my curiosity overwhelmed me.

Lol.

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#23 Posted by GreenFuse (334 posts) - - Show Bio

It's Jean. She's so ridiculous w/PF that she overrides the OP's rules, rips the PF out of the Five and becomes WPOTC.

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#24 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12469 posts) - - Show Bio

@TERMINATORXX said:

Phoenix

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#25 Posted by darktiger (4861 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

@spekqj: Jean has more experience with the PF. She also could mindr*pe 4 of them................

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#26 Posted by BMEZY (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

Her Majesty..The Crown Jean Grey-Phoenix

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#27 Posted by MarvelGrey (251 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't Scott show some use of Telepathy in AVX? If i'm correct then they wouldn't have a problem because it's been shown that multiple telepaths can beat a powerful one. Actually on that note Emma would solo.

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#28 Posted by fanofsuperheroes (224 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma would solo??? Jean is a more powerful telepath than Emma is.

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#29 Posted by jeanroygrant (20442 posts) - - Show Bio

@charlieboy said:

jean takes this.
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#30 Posted by MarvelGrey (251 posts) - - Show Bio

@fanofsuperheroes said:

Emma would solo??? Jean is a more powerful telepath than Emma is.

Their powers are amped by the PF.

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#31 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5731 posts) - - Show Bio

@MarvelGrey said:

@fanofsuperheroes said:

Emma would solo??? Jean is a more powerful telepath than Emma is.

Their powers are amped by the PF.

You're right, so are Jean's.

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#32 Posted by MarvelGrey (251 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK: how so?

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#33 Posted by oge321 (159 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma could deal with the mind stuff from Jean because Jean is constantly being distracted by the other 4 people. I say p5 wins but not easily. Plus when one dies their powers go into the other ones.

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#34 Posted by ChaosBlazer (4003 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@charlieboy said:

jean takes this.
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#35 Posted by Stormcell (1300 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage said:

@Agent9149 said:

Stale mate; the phoenix 5 is basically jean in little bites packaging

Jean IS Phoenix.....they are using HER powers.

She knocks them out by exploiting their beyond obvious weaknesses to physical KO's against their fellow members

Jean is not the Phoenix by any stretch of the imagination. Jean is a woman in her mid 20s while the PF is as old as creation. The P5 would KILL Jean Grey instantly in the scenerio presented by the thread starter. Without the PF, there are plenty of psis who are stronger or can beat her: Shadow King, Xavier, Exodus, Stryfe, and David Haller. I could make strong arguments for Emma Frost beating a non-Phoenix Jean Grey going by feats.

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#36 Posted by karetaker (1581 posts) - - Show Bio

jean full power pf wins because she is stronger than all of the other uses individually. probably together too

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#37 Posted by jhazzroucher (21582 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

Jean

I agree.

Jean as Phoenix has shown more power.

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#38 Posted by Stormcell (1300 posts) - - Show Bio

This is really a spite thread. Jean Grey really isn't all that impressive without the PF. Without the PF, she struggles on a regular basis trying to lift planes, there are telepaths like Shadow King, Xavier, White Queen, Exodus, Stryfe, David Haller and others who have much more powerful TP feats than she and telekinetics like Exodus, Stryfe, Candra, and David Haller who also have more impressive TK feats than she.

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#39 Posted by YoungJustice (7322 posts) - - Show Bio

I will debate for a non- PF powered Jean tommorow. IBTS.

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#40 Posted by Stormcell (1300 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

@YoungJustice said:

Jean

I agree.

Jean as Phoenix has shown more power.

The thread starter said that this is Jean without any PF whatsoever vs. the P5. This is in essence "basic" Jean vs the P5. Jean Grey goes down HARD in a nanosecond...

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#41 Posted by jhazzroucher (21582 posts) - - Show Bio

@Stormcell said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@YoungJustice said:

Jean

I agree.

Jean as Phoenix has shown more power.

The thread starter said that this is Jean without any PF whatsoever vs. the P5. This is in essence "basic" Jean vs the P5. Jean Grey goes down HARD in a nanosecond...

Oopps. but thanks for letting me know. Then I agree with you. Jean wouldn't win.

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#42 Posted by WARLOCK2792 (18072 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

@Stormcell said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@YoungJustice said:

Jean

I agree.

Jean as Phoenix has shown more power.

The thread starter said that this is Jean without any PF whatsoever vs. the P5. This is in essence "basic" Jean vs the P5. Jean Grey goes down HARD in a nanosecond...

Oopps. but thanks for letting me know. Then I agree with you. Jean wouldn't win.

Both of you need to re-read the setup

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#43 Posted by WARLOCK2792 (18072 posts) - - Show Bio

@Stormcell said:

@White Mage said:

@Agent9149 said:

Stale mate; the phoenix 5 is basically jean in little bites packaging

Jean IS Phoenix.....they are using HER powers.

She knocks them out by exploiting their beyond obvious weaknesses to physical KO's against their fellow members

Jean is not the Phoenix by any stretch of the imagination. Jean is a woman in her mid 20s while the PF is as old as creation. The P5 would KILL Jean Grey instantly in the scenerio presented by the thread starter. Without the PF, there are plenty of psis who are stronger or can beat her: Shadow King, Xavier, Exodus, Stryfe, and David Haller. I could make strong arguments for Emma Frost beating a non-Phoenix Jean Grey going by feats.

Endsong disagrees with you

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#44 Posted by jhazzroucher (21582 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@Stormcell said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@YoungJustice said:

Jean

I agree.

Jean as Phoenix has shown more power.

The thread starter said that this is Jean without any PF whatsoever vs. the P5. This is in essence "basic" Jean vs the P5. Jean Grey goes down HARD in a nanosecond...

Oopps. but thanks for letting me know. Then I agree with you. Jean wouldn't win.

Both of you need to re-read the setup

sorry. i re-read the set-up now. So this is Phoenix Jean versus Phoenix Five.

I'm going with Phoenix Jean winning the battle. Phoenix in one host is more powerful

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#45 Posted by WARLOCK2792 (18072 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

@White Mage said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@Stormcell said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@YoungJustice said:

Jean

I agree.

Jean as Phoenix has shown more power.

The thread starter said that this is Jean without any PF whatsoever vs. the P5. This is in essence "basic" Jean vs the P5. Jean Grey goes down HARD in a nanosecond...

Oopps. but thanks for letting me know. Then I agree with you. Jean wouldn't win.

Both of you need to re-read the setup

sorry. i re-read the set-up now. So this is Phoenix Jean versus Phoenix Five.

I'm going with Phoenix Jean winning the battle. Phoenix in one host is more powerful

No need for apologies dude. I just want everybody to be crystal clear on the setup

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#46 Posted by Mercy_ (94775 posts) - - Show Bio

P5

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#47 Edited by HBKTimHBK (5731 posts) - - Show Bio

@MarvelGrey said:

@HBKTimHBK: how so?

This is Jean just without being WPOTC...doesn't mean she doesn't have the Phoenix.

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#48 Edited by MarvelGrey (251 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK said:

@MarvelGrey said:

@HBKTimHBK: how so?

This is Jean just without being WPOTC...doesn't mean she doesn't have the Phoenix.

Oh I must have read it as her without the Phoenix Force in that case then all of them gang up on her with their telepathy.

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#49 Posted by ShootingNova (25495 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_ said:

P5

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#50 Posted by WARLOCK2792 (18072 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean also has much more than a Phoenix fragment at her disposal.....