The Phantom isn't allowed or it's against his morals to kill someone, so they would fight until knockout. There is no preparation and they battle it out either in the Bengali jungle or in Gotham city. Batman hasn't got any of his vehicles to help him only his small handy tools. The Phantom has two revolvers and a 18th century sword.
Bruce beats 15 ninja manbats. 15 ninja manbats> 2 lions, Batman's got this fight.
@Relentless: Is that his best feat ninja manbats? The phantom has been hunted in the jungle by a group of elite commandos and taken down them all. He has also fought an orangutang and won. Also ninja manbats aren't as dangerous as elite commandos. And an orangutang has enormous physical power. An orangutang would beat the fuck out of Batman easily. They can lift like 1,2 tons and their arms have got a certain skeletal structure which makes it possible for them to carry a lot of tearing.
Put Batman up against 12 elite commandos in the jungle and he is dead. Make Batman fight in a fist fight with an orangutang and two lions and he is dead in seconds. The only thing Batman has going for him is stealth, which means if he hides from the phantom he maybe could ambush him and deliver a killing blow. But I doubt it since the phantom has grown up in the jungle and got the ears of a cat.
Another way the Batman could probably win is if the phantom don't want to hurt him. Since Batman really is a good guy the phantom wouldn't want to hit him too hard. Then he would have to play the same game he does with the elite commando guy in the comic to your left.
He would be trying to knockout batman by throwing stones at him. With morals the fight would be harder for the phantom, but without morals Batman would be dead in seconds.
@god_spawn: It says 500 lbs on the weights so i assumed it was 500 lbs on the other side as well even if it isn't there's a scan of him lifting a 1000 lbs roof
@Hermoor said:
@Relentless: Some of those scans are questionable at best, I mean there is no human that can kick down a tree. The author is exagerrating his strength. Bench press one ton is also highly questionable. Sure pushing a truck or punching through glass isn't that suprising. But there simply is no human that can bench press 1 ton.
Also even if he could lift one ton which btw is how much a hippo weighs.
Your mistake is you are comparing the achievements of a comic book character to a real human being. Batman routinely does things that no human being could ever hope to accomplish. It's fiction.
@Hermoor said:
The phantom already beat an orangutang, here is a quote from a animal website:
The orangutan can kill a crocodile with its hands. A 135 lb female chimpanzee at the Bronx Zoo pulled over 1,000 lbs with one arm
The Phantom defeated a WILD orangutang, I'm not sure if it was a female or male orangutang. But still even if Batman could bench press 1 ton, which I highly doubt. An orangutang is stronger than Batman, and the phantom defeated an orangutang so benchpressing one ton really doesn't matter. There is also the question of natural strenght vs trained strength. Batman probably just know how to use his muscles to lift 1 ton from a benchpressing pose. He probably wouldn't be able to deliver punches with that force.
Batman has killed more of God's creatures (lions and tigers and bears, oh my) than I care to count.
Here's Batman after taking out a room full of enhanced apes.
@Hermoor said:
Also the Batman has problems in his armored suit moving around naturally. If one looks at earlier comic books Batman can't turn his neck, and he still has problem with that in the movies at least. That would be a real handicap in the jungle...I don't see how you can argue for Batman after this point.
Movie Batman is not the same as comic book Batman. Comic book Batman does not have problems with his mobility.
@Hermoor said:
I somehow doubt Batman could take down a gladiator with spear and sword.
You've got to be kidding. Right?
@Hermoor said:
Batman relies too much on his technology to beat someone in a 1 vs 1.
To say that Batman relies too much on his technology is ludicrous; he knows every martial art form known to man, for God's sake, and is widely regarded as one of the greatest fighters in all of the DC Universe.
That training, combined with his utility belt gadgets (which, unfortunately for The Phantom, it looks like Batman gets to use in this battle), have allowed him to go toe-to-toe with opponents who should be far out of his league.
I came into this thread not knowing much about The Phantom. But, if these are examples of his best feats, than Batman takes this one in stride.
so far all I've seen in this threadmis people who dont know one of the two characters saying the other wins.
Speaking as someone well versed in both ( my father was a Phantom fan) they are very evenly matched.Bruce trained in the arts of combat since a 10 yr old boy. Kit trained in them since birth. the combat ability of kit walker has been built ip for 21 generations each phantom adding to the training his children recieve from combat systems he's encountered.
at the age of seven the twins of the 21st Phantom ( the son Kit eventually the 22nd) survived in the jungle for a week unaided and fought wild animals. they also fought criminals who were hunting their father.
I'd say it's hard pressed to pick a winner here. neither one has any physical or skill advantage over the other. Bat's gear might hive him advantages but considering the accuracy of Kit with his pistols and the speed he has shown to both draw and reload them it wouldn't be countered by Kit's gun skill.
In regards to the gun, the cowl is bulletproof:
Combined with the cape he's survived 2 pounds of high explosives at close range, withstood explosions that took out entire buildings, swum in acid, been thrown into a barrier by Superman, survived everything Vigilante threw it him with hardly any damage etc.
He can even activate a bulletproof section for the mouth:
While Phantom may be an equal to Bruce in terms of hand-to-hand combat, I'd wager Bruce is the more intelligent of the two.
Against even matched opponents, he's known to use gear or trickery:
He does so again Zeiss, a metahuman with skills that rival his own and the ability to see his opponents next move.
And true, a simple batarang won't do much to Kitt, a taser might stun him or KO him long enough for Bats to gain victory:
The sword would also likely prove ineffective against Bats:
Even if he didn't get the opportunity to that, he could always just stop him this way:
So I personally think Bats should take a solid edge, if only due to the durability of his suit, his intelligence and his gear.
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