Oblivion
Perpetua
Fighting location: A empty multiverse
Motivation: Both want to kill each other.
Preparation: None
Bloodlust: On
Knowledge: None
Fighting location: A empty multiverse
Motivation: Both want to kill each other.
Preparation: None
Bloodlust: On
Knowledge: None
Oblivion got stalemated by an Infinity M-Body in his own realm.
Perpetua on the other hand, created the DC Multiverse, which is a Metaversal construct on its lowest level alone, with each Universe endlessly creating Infinite Versions of themselves and etc. and is more than Infinite Levels qualitatively and quantifiably greater than an Infinite-Dimensional Multiverse.
Even if Marvel's Current Cosmology is Metaversal now, it never exceeds the size of Heaven, Hell and the Dreaming scaling to creating Universes based on the contents of the Metaverse below.
Perpetua is like several several layers above infinite levels above Marvel's Multiversal size. Despite the "6th Dimensiony" shit. The 6th Dimension of Perpetua is above the Source Wall. But during N52, the Sphere of the Gods (which is below the Source Wall) was in fact, Infinite-Dimensionally above the DC Metaverse.
You see @yasindermann This is the problem with Composite DC Cosmology scaling, I would probably ask you to not use it so much because it makes EVERYTHING a stomp in DC's favor. It's not really a debate.
People do not understand the issues of Marvel and DC Cosmologisms as much as we do.
@sungsam: Shit, I don't wanted to say composite. A habit xD
@sungsam: Shit, I don't wanted to say composite. A habit xD
That's fine Yas, but DC's Cosmology is not only self-contradicting, but complex in how it contradicts itself.
Depending on interpretation, even NORMAL Mxy could be several levels above Infinite-Dimensional on average. Because Dimensions in DC are complex abstract constructs that relate to every level regardless of relation of distance to each other.
Think for example, the Bleed Space is 5-Dimensional but it flows through everything in the DC's Multiverse regardless of Dimensional Strature. Dimensions in DC simply work differently from other fictions. Those "numbers" mean nothing in the end.
This is why I plan to write a DC Cosmology Thread concerning SCOTT SNYDER'S retcons and his spin on Pre-Rebirth Cosmologisms.
That's why those Demontards arguing 10-D Demonbane against 5-D Mxy was stupid on their part.
That said, current Marvel Multiverse is Baseline Quantum Multiversal to near Metaversal. But even that is not enough to take on Current DC Cosmology. Current Cosmology, Perpetua wins based on Cosmic Scaling. But doesn't have the feats yet.
@sungsam: Ok, thank you, Sungs. Like I said, I would like that the authors just not ignore the complexity of other authors, because that makes in contradict.
@sungsam: Ok, thank you, Sungs. Like I said, I would like that the authors just not ignore the complexity of other authors, because that makes in contradict.
DC's Cosmology contradicts itself all the time. Even if we pretend all the details of Higher Dimensions of N52 and before that, Rebirth alone CONTRADICTS itself.
I don't understand why the Hypertime Abstraction is what is between Universes, yet shouldn't the Bleed Space cover that? Multiple stories will say different things about DC's Multiverse while RUNNING at the same time within Rebirth.
Interpreting DC's Cosmology requires infinite amounts of rationalization of Cosmology Plot Holes. However, due to DC's nature, everything DC publishes is canon.
It's all a matter of how much you combine the Cosmology details from different stories from some to all of DC's history, a spectrum between Compositing all DC Writer's Cosmology to just isolating it to one writer depending on your preference.
The methods of interpreting DC's Cosmology is like this. If I had to draw a quick map.
In relation to each other. You have to place what you believe in by placing a dot in any of those bubbles.
@sungsam: This is literally brainfuck, lol. Everything is canon? I am imagining how does that work with this contradict cosmology then. When I readed the DC cosmology, I wondered why Hypertime was bigger then the bleed space.
@sungsam: This is literally brainfuck, lol. Everything is canon? I am imagining how does that work with this contradict cosmology then. When I readed the DC cosmology, I wondered why Hypertime was bigger then the bleed space.
Unfortunately yes. Everything in DC from Action Comics 1 to Rebirth is canon.
I don't know how this works exactly.
@sungsam: what's the wonder woman and that batman who laughs image have to do this ?
@sungsam: what's the wonder woman and that batman who laughs image have to do this ?
That's my signature. The Vine doesn't have one. So it's there automatically.
@sungsam: ok lol
Both Multiverse are Full of Contradiction.
Which is why Multiverse debates are so damned fun.
Especially when you consider that even the Arrowverse Multiverse (Which should also be Metaversal) also probably exists within a larger shared DC Omniverse due to the nature of Hypertime.
@sungsam: can you please change the theme of your account? can you stop roleplaying?
i hear the voice of batman who laughs in a jokerized voice everytime i read your posts. its so weird
its so weird hearing that in your own head. hearing joker explain multiverse and quanutm mechanics shit on a forum like that.
@galactic_1000: That's why I make multiversals debates, there are many things to discuss.
@sungsam: can you please change the theme of your account? can you stop roleplaying?
i hear the voice of batman who laughs in a jokerized voice everytime i read your posts. its so weird
its so weird hearing that in your own head. hearing joker explain multiverse and quanutm mechanics shit on a forum like that.
Hmmm............... No. Just switched my account to red evil now. Hm.
@sungsam: Why this sudden roleplaying?
@sungsam: Why this sudden roleplaying?
Etriel and I had a long lengthy debate on PMs. Basically, one of our debates (had nothing to do with battle debates), I lost. We had a bet. Now I have to pick something to "roleplay" as embarassingly. With an artificial forum signature of said character.
Now @etriel wants to reel back for some reason. Despite that I'm enjoying it. Lol
We're still debating on PMs, while I'm dealing with some trolls.
Sorry to all if my attention is off however. I am busy on another forum.
@sungsam: Not Fun for me.
For me It's a waste of Time.
@sungsam: Not Fun for me.
For me It's a waste of Time.
5504 posts you have of talking about imaginary characters and you are to judge on who is wasting time? with respect. i cannot see that as valid judgement. whether it is multiversal or no. dimensional tiering or no. street level or no. planet level or no.
Oblivion stalemated Eternity and Infinity in co-power, and both are embodiments of Boundless Infinity.
Perpetua is a few layers above 52 Universes. Her sons are only Multi-Universal given that COIE's title was just a marketing name. Oblivion spites.
Perpetua cannot scale to any Composite DC Cosmology of the past because her very nature literally denies most of DC's Cosmic establishment for the last 20 years or so.
That is if you are into Sucksverse bigger infinity arguments. Which I do like to be honest.
Perpetua
edit i didnt saw the word composite ... so my answer remain same just now i also think this is a spite
@etriel: Most of the time I didn't debate.
And Was talking about Illogical,Nonsensical,Contradiction Multiverse because those are Brain Hurting subject.
-nigh featless-. by statements, and cosmology favorism, oblivion
Oblivion is nigh featless himself
A huge memorable "feat" is him getting stalemated by infinity and Quasar in his own realm. The only thing that makes him strong is chaos war shenanigans, which practically nerfed Marvel's cosmology as a whole.
The world forger sacrificed everything to lock up Perpetua... and he created the negative multiverse. (That’s 52 universes btw) so she’s definitely well beyond him. I think she probably wins
Oblivion stalemated Eternity and Infinity in co-power, and both are embodiments of Boundless Infinity.
Perpetua is a few layers above 52 Universes. Her sons are only Multi-Universal given that COIE's title was just a marketing name. Oblivion spites.
Perpetua cannot scale to any Composite DC Cosmology of the past because her very nature literally denies most of DC's Cosmic establishment for the last 20 years or so.
That is if you are into Sucksverse bigger infinity arguments. Which I do like to be honest.
There are many misinformations in this post
For starter before consuming the multiverse COIE AM already packed the power of the infinite anti-matter universe which equal the power of infinite pre-crisis multiverse, he was multiversal power before the crisis. then he absorbed the infinite pre-crisis multiverse-5, each positive matter universe AM destroyed, his anti-matter universe expanded to fill the void. He has the power of two multiverses at the peak of his power
In other words, he was megaversal in power. To say he's multi-universal is taking lowballing to a brand new level
Perpetua can absolutely scale to the DC cosmoogy, she doesn't contradict that much other than Volthoom's origin.
new JL issue explained her creation, how the Promethean giants came to existence, how the source wall was formed when she was imprisoned, her son mentioned sphere of gods and prime universes, her creation was very much align with the map.
It also explained the reason Mobius started the COIE, all the explanation fits in.
U can't composite all of DC cosmology simply for the reason like stated there would be to many contradictions.
Perpetua created a Multiversal structure, no amount of cosmology will change that also. Also the metaversal stuff is just what happens once things are set in motion and should not be accredited to any person. All she has to do is a create a universe and then that universe goes into a (metaversal/hypertime) structure giving infinite variation upon the time line once it actually moves forward, that's just the way it is for DC cosmology. So anyone who say just created a universe and adds to structure would then see that one universe fracture off into unlimited possibilities for said universe.
If using rectoned oblivion, he would be on another level, for simple reason of being the void of the megaversal structure of Marvel.
Perpetua loses to oblivion big time, yes she has shown powerful feats like creating a larger multiverse and creating 1a tier characters like her children, and she exists in the six dimension, Oblivion exist outside the marvel multiverse and there is no mention of a higher realm that exceeds oblivion, oblivion while describing himself stated that all the marvel multiverse and even all of creation is nothing to him, as it all was birthed from it and would return to it, no character in DC comic can claim such except omnipotent characters which such a term hardly applies to any character in any comics, Oblivion can interfere in creation through lower avaters of him yet with multiversal busting powers, like mikaboshi, Oblivion would destroy perpetua completely, perpetua could create because she was bestowed upon powers of creation by the source powers of which oblivion refers to be Nothing compared to itself
@leopoldfitz: DC literally has multiple characters like oblivion. I don't why some people ignore them when they bring up Oblivion up like he's the only character like that to ever exist in comics. Here's 2 of them:
Pralaya
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BQIy60Hx3m0/VmfxNOfAHmI/AAAAAAAAChY/pJyXRbN37lo/s1600-Ic42/RCO002.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0hO0IJbwaa4/VmfxSRbZINI/AAAAAAAAChY/Vn4kUsXiVSk/s1600-Ic42/RCO017.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SFA6xXEKQb8/VmfxUAwxUlI/AAAAAAAAChY/_e7Glg4LGEQ/s1600-Ic42/RCO022.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2lWepvdCiH0/VmfyFsCf5fI/AAAAAAAACoI/pvpwXX5Zjw8/s1600-Ic42/RCO008.jpg
Mother Night
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/c/c2/Mother_Night.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161006122817
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/s2tM7Of27N9094XeyDvClKFqh2bgW2PEkMH9YrPUrALtBxebJDrTmzLGizz-XHptgAolKh7dq2NL=s1600
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/89asfUxxfnqtQJlzX_ZpJ5YbGaMJHrKetE4nJ0SWsyJ2yU0dOvQ0QqUDHmR3JxNl94zdNLOICnXt=s1600
And there's like 2 more i didn't mention.
As for the fight I'll wait to see how this storyline with Perpetua ends before going one way or the other.
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