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#1  Edited By the creator

2 seperate battles,

  1. With prep time

  2. Without prep time

Who wins each battle ?

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We do.

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but isn't Ozymandias Immortal?

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Post Edited:2007-10-04 17:54:06

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#5  Edited By Apparition

ya never really got to see ozy do anything...

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#6  Edited By The Iron Gut

Ozy wasn't immortal. He was just a jumped-up genius. Anyway if Bats can beat up Superman he'd thrash Ozy, prepped or unprepped.

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1. Ozymandias, he's supposedly the smartest man in the world 
 
2. Batman, Ozy has no feats that make him even half the combatant Batman is
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#8  Edited By BatDance
Batman stomps both fights
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#9  Edited By geraldthesloth

Batman would school him in both.

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Batman in both

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Many people rule out Ozymandias which has shown more than enough feats to indicate that he might be able to win this, reasons stated below: 
 
With Prep: 
 
-Batman is able to beat Superman because he knows Superman's weakness and can obtain it.  It's not hard to know someone's weakness when you work with the person.  In watchmen, Ozymandias has nothing to work with against Dr. Manhattan.  From the point of view of every person in the world, Dr. Manhattan is as close as god who can do basically anything.  Ozymandias has to come up with contengency to not only survive agaisnt Dr. Manhattan but come up with a weakness.  Building a tachiyon field generator to disrupt Dr. Manhattan is a foresight which goes beyond detective work, it was an experimental process (he was right) and also a gamble to blind a god like being who can see his past and his future.  Furthermore, he was smart enough to deduct that if tachyon moves faster than light, it must have an adverse effect on Dr. Manhattan.   
Adrian sees the big picture and able to come up with plans to deal with every contengency.  He was simultaniously  planning for all scenerios in Watchmen and was able to predict every single one to a point.    I would assume that he is at least equal to Batman in planning as he was able to predict outcomes and manipulate it from the shadow as to get the outcome he wanted.  In fact, he predicted that Russian and America would have a Nuclear standoff and acted accordingly.  Bruce has never showed this kind of long term planning.  Plus Ozymandias is actually ruthless enough to carry them out.  Technically he has outsmarted everyone, including Dr. Manhattan who has the ability to see the future.
 
Without Prep: 
This is a little harder because Adrian's personality is geared more towards plotting so his fighting in Watchmen is limited.  However, he did beat Roscharch, Night Owl, and the Comedian quite handily.  He is also an accomplished Gymnist as he has demostrated in public that he was able to do Acrobat perfectly even at his age which is over 40.  However, the most interesting part about Ozymandias ability is when he demostrated that he can watch several television and pay attention to all of them at once.  This not only show his cognitive ability to process informations and might extends to his fighting ability to read body language.  It is not hard to see that perhaps Ozymandias can read body language similar to Batgirl (albeit he is not as fast) as he has shown to do these: 
 
 
 
     
 
 
 

Feats which shows Ozymandias ability not only able to react to the bullet being fired, but predict the time and the place the bullet will be fired.  This shows that Ozymandias has very good reaction as well as the ability to read body language.  This could explain how he handily defeated Night Owl and Rorcharch. because he's able to predict their movement via his ability to deduct what they are going to do, cognitive ability, and reaction speed.  So I believe this could give him the ability to trump Batman.  
 
 
 
 
 More reaction time, notice how close Rorchach was and he was still able to take him out, although he did see him ahead of time. 
 
 
 
 
Then he deals with Night Owl quite handily and was able to block the lazer further showing his ability to deduct movement.  Also, his accuracy is not too shabby which he demostrated while still dodging the lazer. 
 
So to summarize my point: 
With prep 
-Adrian is better at stradegist than Batman which he demonstrated time and time again that he can come up with plans for any situation. 
-His foresight is amazing. 
-He has resource similar to Batman. 
-He sees the big picture. 
 
Without Prep: 
-Reflex, able to react to bullet firing and than catching it. 
-Relatively strong as he has shown to be peak human in term of strenght which he demostrated when he does acrobat exhibit. 
-Has the ability to process many informations at once (as shown when he demostrated to be able to pay attention to many television) which could give him the ability to read body language which explains his ability to react to bullets being fired at him,  
-Able to use his surrounding effectively as shown when he he block his first bullet during the assasination attempt (this could have been choreograph as the gun was at point blank and he was able to react) and how he block Night Owls lazer.
 
 *note: there are difference in the movie and the comic which is why I stated his first assasination attempt to be choreograph because it was stated in the movie that the person was hired by Ozymandias.  But, in the comic it shows him firing at point blank which is very dangerous even if it was choreograph. 
 
So all point taken, Ozymandias has a good chance here and I don't think it's a curbstomp to Ozy or Batman.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Many people rule out Ozymandias which has shown more than enough feats to indicate that he might be able to win this, reasons stated below: 
 
With Prep: 
 
-Batman is able to beat Superman because he knows Superman's weakness and can obtain it.  It's not hard to know someone's weakness when you work with the person.  In watchmen, Ozymandias has nothing to work with against Dr. Manhattan.  From the point of view of every person in the world, Dr. Manhattan is as close as god who can do basically anything.  Ozymandias has to come up with contengency to not only survive agaisnt Dr. Manhattan but come up with a weakness.  Building a tachiyon field generator to disrupt Dr. Manhattan is a foresight which goes beyond detective work, it was an experimental process (he was right) and also a gamble to blind a god like being who can see his past and his future.  Furthermore, he was smart enough to deduct that if tachyon moves faster than light, it must have an adverse effect on Dr. Manhattan.   
Adrian sees the big picture and able to come up with plans to deal with every contengency.  He was simultaniously  planning for all scenerios in Watchmen and was able to predict every single one to a point.    I would assume that he is at least equal to Batman in planning as he was able to predict outcomes and manipulate it from the shadow as to get the outcome he wanted.  In fact, he predicted that Russian and America would have a Nuclear standoff and acted accordingly.  Bruce has never showed this kind of long term planning.  Plus Ozymandias is actually ruthless enough to carry them out.  Technically he has outsmarted everyone, including Dr. Manhattan who has the ability to see the future.
 
Without Prep: 
This is a little harder because Adrian's personality is geared more towards plotting so his fighting in Watchmen is limited.  However, he did beat Roscharch, Night Owl, and the Comedian quite handily.  He is also an accomplished Gymnist as he has demostrated in public that he was able to do Acrobat perfectly even at his age which is over 40.  However, the most interesting part about Ozymandias ability is when he demostrated that he can watch several television and pay attention to all of them at once.  This not only show his cognitive ability to process informations and might extends to his fighting ability to read body language.  It is not hard to see that perhaps Ozymandias can read body language similar to Batgirl (albeit he is not as fast) as he has shown to do these: 
 
 
 
     
 
 
 

Feats which shows Ozymandias ability not only able to react to the bullet being fired, but predict the time and the place the bullet will be fired.  This shows that Ozymandias has very good reaction as well as the ability to read body language.  This could explain how he handily defeated Night Owl and Rorcharch. because he's able to predict their movement via his ability to deduct what they are going to do, cognitive ability, and reaction speed.  So I believe this could give him the ability to trump Batman.  
 
 
 
 
 More reaction time, notice how close Rorchach was and he was still able to take him out, although he did see him ahead of time. 
 
 
 
 Then he deals with Night Owl quite handily and was able to block the lazer further showing his ability to deduct movement.  Also, his accuracy is not too shabby which he demostrated while still dodging the lazer.  So to summarize my point: With prep -Adrian is better at stradegist than Batman which he demonstrated time and time again that he can come up with plans for any situation. -His foresight is amazing. -He has resource similar to Batman. -He sees the big picture.  Without Prep: -Reflex, able to react to bullet firing and than catching it.  -Relatively strong as he has shown to be peak human in term of strenght which he demostrated when he does acrobat exhibit. -Has the ability to process many informations at once (as shown when he demostrated to be able to pay attention to many television) which could give him the ability to read body language which explains his ability to react to bullets being fired at him,  -Able to use his surrounding effectively as shown when he he block his first bullet during the assasination attempt (this could have been choreograph as the gun was at point blank and he was able to react) and how he block Night Owls lazer.  *note: there are difference in the movie and the comic which is why I stated his first assasination attempt to be choreograph because it was stated in the movie that the person was hired by Ozymandias.  But, in the comic it shows him firing at point blank which is very dangerous even if it was choreograph.  So all point taken, Ozymandias has a good chance here and I don't think it's a curbstomp to Ozy or Batman.       "

I still think Batman(with or without preperation). 
 
Ozymandias may be a big fish in the small pond of the Watchmen universe, but Batman(hype aside) is one of the biggest fish in the sea(often said to be the most dangerous man alive). Ozymandias essentially beat down a homeless man with limited formal combat training, and a paunchy middle-aged techi(in spite of the numbers disadvantage, not very impressive). Also Ozymandias is nothing Batman hasn't dealt with before, while Ozymandias has never enountered someone like Batman(someone who is on par with him in resources, exceeds him in physical prowess, matches him in intelligence and strategy, and exceeds his will to win *which is actually one of the things that makes Batman such an over-bearing adversary, he's relentless in his pursuits*(a first rate criminal mastermind who plans on a global scale? As I said "nothing Batman hasn't dealt with countless times). Now in a straight up fight I'm not saying it would be cake-walk for Batman, but he would beat Ozymandias.
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#14  Edited By Baldy

Ozymandias is going to take this with prep. He's smarter than Batman and will be able to use his intelligence to great effect.
 
Without prep? Gotta back Batman here, his exteremly good combat skill is going to win it for him.

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#16  Edited By Son_of_Magnus

Ozy's best showings was beating up a fat out of shape wash up with and a schizophrenic with hygiene issues . Batman does that stuff like 20 times each night on average. Ozy is smarter then Batman in areas of science but not in detective skills and fight science each play a role in fights. Batman also is physically superior and a MUCH better fighter with way more experience and training to boot, There also is WAY more evidence to prove Batman is better with prep.

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Even if Ozymandias is the smartest man on his universe that doesn't mean he is smarter than Batman. In the world of Watchmen there ain't a single T.O. Morrow, Ray Palmer, Doctor Magnus, Lex Luthor, etc. etc. so the scale of intelligence is less impressive, add to that the fact that even if he is smarter. The world of watchmen is in the 80s, not only is Batman's technology more advanced due to the era and his own fictional inventions, he also counts with kryptonian technology

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@Son_of_Magnus: 
 
 Human strenght has its limit.  It has been stated in the comic that Ozy is in peak human condition which would put him close or even at Batman's range of strenght.  Batman is not significantly stronger than Ozy because there's a limit in terms of muscle mass and strenght.  I agree that he did beat up two old dude, but that's really the only people trying to oppose him (it doesn't help that he did it so easily either) and I would agree that it's probably not going to convince anyone.  But, if you add his ability to repeatably see how people would move and his repeated showing that he knows where projectiles will hit.  It shows that he has very good reflex as well as the ability to predict event in his surrounding every effectively.  Also, you make Batman to be some kind of super human when he's really only a person.  He has lost to Joker and other none superhumans before.  But, that's beside the case, I'm stating that Ozy has a good chance here.  Batman isn't going to stomp Ozy.  

@Nighthunter said:

"Even if Ozymandias is the smartest man on his universe that doesn't mean he is smarter than Batman. In the world of Watchmen there ain't a single T.O. Morrow, Ray Palmer, Doctor Magnus, Lex Luthor, etc. etc. so the scale of intelligence is less impressive, add to that the fact that even if he is smarter. The world of watchmen is in the 80s, not only is Batman's technology more advanced due to the era and his own fictional inventions, he also counts with kryptonian technology "


            Evidently, Ozymandias has to outsmart a person who can see the past and the future, Dr. Manhattan isn't really stupid either, he was a physicist when he was alive.  Dr. Manhattan survived being incinerated because he knew how molecules interact with each other and is able to reconstruct himself.  Ozymandais was able to come up with a way to blind him with his 80s technology.  But, the story clearly states that Dr. Manhattan has significantly accelerated science because of the nature of the nature of his perception which enable him to advance the current technologies in that era.  He was working with the government on technologies way ahead of that timeframe (this was probably how Ozy was able to built a tachyon disruptor).  Of course, this is still not as advance as Batman's time as he has the luxury of being ahead.  So in my opinion, for the fairness of the fight, they should fight in a time period where their technology is relatively even.  This is where I think Ozymandias can take out Batman, because he has shown that his planning and stradegy was flawless.  I mean the man got away with committing genocide.  Not only that, he convinced them IT was the right thing to do and made Dr. Manhattan incinerate Rorcharch.  Not to mention he forseen the event of the nuclear standoff wayy ahead of his time and dilliberately worked to gain enough power and resources to do something about it.  I mean before the keen act, he was already planning to go public and make money off his identity which gave him enough power to make his plan a reality.  So in my opinion, Ozymandias sees the big picture and is able to predict how things would turn out with precision, his ruthless when it comes to pulling it off.  Lex has the advantages of technologies on his side, but Ozy would flat out hummiliate him in strategies and planning.  He's not the smartest person in the world for nothing.  He represent the ultimate human in watchmen, like Dr. Manhattan represent a god among men.  
          As for Ozy's fighting ability, i've already stated that  he constantly deflect and catches bullets.  This would not put him in the categories of bullet timers, but he sees the action he is just not fast enough so he compensate by using objects from his surroundings which he is very effective at doing.  Like I explained before, he's capable of this because his brain function is able to process informations very quickly.  He was shown to be able to pay attention to several televisions which if you add the two together would result in the ability to predict body movement because he can pay attention to all his opponents body movements and make accurate deductions of their body movement based on probability.  This is like how Batgirl, but Ozy is not as fast so he deflects bullets instead of dodging.
   
 
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" @Son_of_Magnus: 
 


 Human strenght has its limit.  It has been stated in the comic that Ozy is in peak human condition which would put him close or even at Batman's range of strenght.  Batman is not significantly stronger than Ozy because there's a limit in terms of muscle mass and strenght. 

Batman is physically stronger as of now because he has more feats to prove it and is taller and has more body mass. Bane off Venom is physically stronger then Bruce and they are both said to be peak human
 

   But, if you add his ability to repeatably see how people would move and his repeated showing that he knows where projectiles will hit. 

Batman has done this hundreds of times through his run as well so that is not a feat to put him above Bruce 

 

Also, you make Batman to be some kind of super human when he's really only a person.  He has lost to Joker and other none superhumans before.

The Joker and other certain members of the Rogue family defeating Batman in h2h is always after he went through hell with there goons or something, he is weakened by some means, they jump him some how surprise attack him, or simply major PIS

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@Son_of_Magnus said:
" @forze said:
" @Son_of_Magnus: 
 


 Human strenght has its limit.  It has been stated in the comic that Ozy is in peak human condition which would put him close or even at Batman's range of strenght.  Batman is not significantly stronger than Ozy because there's a limit in terms of muscle mass and strenght. 

Batman is physically stronger as of now because he has more feats to prove it and is taller and has more body mass. Bane off Venom is physically stronger then Bruce and they are both said to be peak human
 

   But, if you add his ability to repeatably see how people would move and his repeated showing that he knows where projectiles will hit. 

Batman has done this hundreds of times through his run as well so that is not a feat to put him above Bruce 

 

Also, you make Batman to be some kind of super human when he's really only a person.  He has lost to Joker and other none superhumans before.

The Joker and other certain members of the Rogue family defeating Batman in h2h is always after he went through hell with there goons or something, he is weakened by some means, they jump him some how surprise attack him, or simply major PIS

"

- So how many times has Bane beaten Batman, only once right?  So brain beats brawns, so your argument didn't really help here.  And I guess being in more comics would also mean Batman would have more feats.  Thanks for letting me know. 
 
- Scans of Batman blocking or catching bullets.  I see Batman dodging bullets by jumping around and not being a target.  It's not the same as predicting it and blocking it at close quarter like what Ozy did.  The only people I see doing that is Batgirl, and that's because she can read body movement which I explained in my previous post.  Batman dodges bullets by being hard to hit which is not the same as seeing and predicting when it's going to come.  As I mentioned before, Ozy can process informations at a much faster rate than normal humans as he demostrated the ability to pay attention to several televisions in different channels at the same time.
 
- I guess it's only unfair if the advantage is in your opponents hand and PIS if someone actually outsmarted Batman .  Are we forgetting that Batman is only a human with no super power and prone to human error.  I mean if your definition of PIS is what you stated above.  Beating Superman, Flash, and all the other super humans he has beaten in the past would be pure PIS because you know he kind of have to surprise them to stand any chance.  Realistically since every member of the JLA can simply sneeze and kill Batman he shouldn't stand a chance, but since he can surprise them and Batman knows their weakness he's able to beat them.   
 
So are you arguing for Batman or against him, I can't figure it out. 
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#21  Edited By Son_of_Magnus
@forze: Why would Batman try to catch a bullet? He has blocked bullets with his Gauntlets I do not have the same access to scans as some people here but I am sure some people do have sacans of this feat If they do it would be a great help to post it. He dodge bullets by predicting where they will hit it is not just random jumping around that is how you get shot. What I meant by PIS is if the Joker defeats a perfectly fine and well rested Batman in h2h. Bane is brains way before he is brawn BTW. But my point is your peak is different then my peak. Then throw in Bruce's skill and it is a deadly combination
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@Son_of_Magnus said:

" @forze: Why would Batman try to catch a bullet? He has blocked bullets with his Gauntlets I do not have the same access to scans as some people here but I am sure some people do have sacans of this feat If they do it would be a great help to post it. He dodge bullets by predicting where they will hit it is not just random jumping around that is how you get shot. What I meant by PIS is if the Joker defeats a perfectly fine and well rested Batman in h2h. Bane is brains way before he is brawn BTW. But my point is your peak is different then my peak. Then throw in Bruce's skill and it is a deadly combination "


Then we'll put Batman predicting bullets in the "I am sure" box which is before the "sure" box.  As for peak human condition, the reason bane is stronger is because he has more mass than Batman.  This is excluding the venom he pumps himself which further increases his strenght.  So with that said, Ozy and Batman has about the same height, the differenced is that they draw Batman with more muscles.  Which is But, their stats indicate they are both in peak human conditions.  PEAK meaning as the limit of human conditioning at that level with muscle/mass limitations. 
 
Joker has many variations, some writer likes to give him the ability to fight, some just wants him to be an evil genius.  It's what happens when you have several writers writing the same character, they like to implement things.   
 
But Ozymandias represent the perfect human in terms of Intelligence and Physical condition in Watchmen.  It's the reason he beat Dr. Manhattan, the writer wanted to show human ingenuity at its finessed.
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@forze: Batman is stated to be peak human, but if you look at any of his numerous feats against characters like Superman and Mongul you would see why so many people are saying that he wins.
 
Joker has consistenly been an evil genius.
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@Ferro Vida said:
" @forze: Batman is stated to be peak human, but if you look at any of his numerous feats against characters like Superman and Mongul you would see why so many people are saying that he wins.  Joker has consistenly been an evil genius. "

True, but how would you not see that as anything but PIS?  Since you know, superman can kind of pull planets.
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@forze said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
" @forze: Batman is stated to be peak human, but if you look at any of his numerous feats against characters like Superman and Mongul you would see why so many people are saying that he wins.  Joker has consistenly been an evil genius. "
True, but how would you not see that as anything but PIS?  Since you know, superman can kind of pull planets. "
I don't see it as PIS because he does it consistently. This isn't one poorly written story arc; this is a consistent fact about the character.
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@Ferro Vida said:
" @forze said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
" @forze: Batman is stated to be peak human, but if you look at any of his numerous feats against characters like Superman and Mongul you would see why so many people are saying that he wins.  Joker has consistenly been an evil genius. "
True, but how would you not see that as anything but PIS?  Since you know, superman can kind of pull planets. "
I don't see it as PIS because he does it consistently. This isn't one poorly written story arc; this is a consistent fact about the character. "

Ok, if you see 2+3 = 7 constantly, would you start believing it's true?
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@forze said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
" @forze said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
" @forze: Batman is stated to be peak human, but if you look at any of his numerous feats against characters like Superman and Mongul you would see why so many people are saying that he wins.  Joker has consistenly been an evil genius. "
True, but how would you not see that as anything but PIS?  Since you know, superman can kind of pull planets. "
I don't see it as PIS because he does it consistently. This isn't one poorly written story arc; this is a consistent fact about the character. "
Ok, if you see 2+3 = 7 constantly, would you start believing it's true? "
Your comparison is lacking and doesn't apply here. Math is totally different. There is no creativity involved in it. Math can only have one one real outcome, while writing is only limited by imagination.
 
Cyclops consistently beats Wolverine; it's part of his character.
 
Captain America consistently beats The Wrecking Crew; it's part of his character.
 
Batman consistently dodges hits from Superman; it is part of his character. Accept it.
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#28  Edited By Son_of_Magnus
@forze: Batman has said he predicts the bullets routes
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#29  Edited By forze
@Ferro Vida said:
" @forze said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
" @forze said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
" @forze: Batman is stated to be peak human, but if you look at any of his numerous feats against characters like Superman and Mongul you would see why so many people are saying that he wins.  Joker has consistenly been an evil genius. "
True, but how would you not see that as anything but PIS?  Since you know, superman can kind of pull planets. "
I don't see it as PIS because he does it consistently. This isn't one poorly written story arc; this is a consistent fact about the character. "
Ok, if you see 2+3 = 7 constantly, would you start believing it's true? "
Your comparison is lacking and doesn't apply here. Math is totally different. There is no creativity involved in it. Math can only have one one real outcome, while writing is only limited by imagination.  Cyclops consistently beats Wolverine; it's part of his character.  Captain America consistently beats The Wrecking Crew; it's part of his character.  Batman consistently dodges hits from Superman; it is part of his character. Accept it. "
 
PIS is sure selective on who it targets.  Not discounting that Superman can react at light speed and can pulberized Batman before Batman can process the information.  Superman is kind of known in here to speed blitze opponent.  It's how he beats most of his opponents.  Batman is a lucky dude, but Ozymandias is not Superman.  So moving on. 
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#30  Edited By Ferro Vida
@forze: It's not luck, it shows that Batman can outthink a superior opponent. Not to mention the fact that he has beaten better fighters than Ozy in the past, like Ras Al Ghul and Bane (both of whom are considered to be extremely intelligent and some of the best planners in DC).
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Ozy is a low rent Ras Al Ghul.
Batman takes it.
 
@Supreme Marvel said:

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but isn't Ozymandias Immortal?

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your thinking of this guy, i think. 
Ozymandias
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#32  Edited By InnerVenom123
@Baldy said:
"Ozymandias is going to take this with prep. He's smarter than Batman and will be able to use his intelligence to great effect.  Without prep? Gotta back Batman here, his exteremly good combat skill is going to win it for him. "
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#33  Edited By forze
@Ferro Vida said:

" @forze: It's not luck, it shows that Batman can outthink a superior opponent. Not to mention the fact that he has beaten better fighters than Ozy in the past, like Ras Al Ghul and Bane (both of whom are considered to be extremely intelligent and some of the best planners in DC). "


So you don't think besting Dr. Manhattan is a feat, since Dr. M kind knows his future/past/present...etc. and is able to deatominze people.  Ozy started his planning at the first Watchmen meeting when the Comedian burn the map showing that he was able to predict every outcome until the end. 
 
That's a bold claim regarding those two Ras Al Ghul and Bane, since Ozy hasn't fought them or anything similar to them.  No one presented any challenge to Ozy in Watchmen, you can't say that those two are superior if you have no benchmark to prove they are superior.  The only person Ozy had troubled with was Dr. M and Dr. M can actually beat Superman.  Oh when he was surprise by Silk Spectre by a gun which he caught the bullet.
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bump

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#35  Edited By TheDrifter

Ozymandias wins with prep.

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#36  Edited By Andferne

Without prep Ozy gets creamed.
 
With prep it would be a closer fight, considerably. Honestly not sure which way I would choose, yet.

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#37  Edited By geraldthesloth

Batman in both

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#38  Edited By Korg

Batman thinks on a much grander scale than Adrian. He has seen things Adrian has never dreamed of, has been friends with a telepath from Mars, has seen and created technology that would make Veidt's jaw drop, etc. Batman is on a different level than Adrian. He could think circles around him. Batman lives in the same world as Lex Luthor, who is basically Adrian Veidt if he were actually evil, and occasionally had superpowers, or an exoskeleton. It's apples and oranges. Or, if you like, apples and some kind of fruit from the freaking 5th dimension or something equally ridiculous. 
 
Batman has used prep to take out the entire JLA. He is a much better detective than the combination of Rorschach and Nite Owl II. If he knows he is fighting Veidt, he will be better prepared simply by virtue of having access to much better technology, since Ozy is stuck in the 1980s. In a physical fight, Batman takes it, no need to explain.

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#39  Edited By Andferne
@Korg said:
"Batman lives in the same world as Lex Luthor, who is basically Adrien Veidt if he were actually evil. "
Haha! I never actually looked at it that way, but I agree completely with that.
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@Andferne said:
" @Korg said:
"Batman lives in the same world as Lex Luthor, who is basically Adrien Veidt if he were actually evil. "
Haha! I never actually looked at it that way, but I agree completely with that. "
That IS a good way of looking at it...
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#41  Edited By BatDance
@Nighthunter said:
" Batman in both "
spite thread
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#42  Edited By Lupine
@BatDance said:
" @Nighthunter said:
" Batman in both "
spite thread "
Not even slightly. @Andferne said:
" @Korg said:
"Batman lives in the same world as Lex Luthor, who is basically Adrien Veidt if he were actually evil. "
Haha! I never actually looked at it that way, but I agree completely with that. "
This I can agree with actually. Lex almost is Adrian, very good eye. Though I think Lex lacks some of Ozy's physicality, but it's a damn good comparison.  
 
And I think Ozy would get him with prep. Without Batman wins though, mostly because while they might have the same kind of raw analytical minds, Bruce has faced more and far stranger opponents than Adrian. That's not to discount Dr. M. But well and truly Dr. M was his ultimate mountain to climb and so once he got over it, there was no where to go. Bruce fights the strange and alien all the time I would stack it up to experience; combat and otherwise as well as accumulated knowledge. Adrian doesn't know as much as Bruce, simply because more exists in Bruce's universe. It's a little unfair, but it's also rather true. 
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#43  Edited By Gothic Storm

Oooh this would make a great fight... the one with the prep time that is. The one without prep time would go to Batman in my opinion.

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#44  Edited By why so serious

Ozy might win.  But Bats has the majority.

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#45  Edited By why so serious
@Andferne said:

" Without prep Ozy gets creamed.  With prep it would be a closer fight, considerably. Honestly not sure which way I would choose, yet. "

feats by Ozy proves that he can put up a good fight.  he won't get "creamed" for sure.
 
 Ozymandias dodging and deflecting bullets with ease while closing the distance to beat the cow out of the assasin.
 
 
 
Ozymandias catches a bullet fired by a trained vigilante at POINT BLACK RANGE.  

Feats which shows Ozymandias ability not only able to react to the bullet being fired, but predict the time and the place the bullet will be fired.

 
  
 
 
Ozymandias takes out Rorschach with one hand effortlessly and jokingly with his back turned and while eating.

  
 
Ozymandias blocks LAZER attacks effortlessly, with his back turned.
  And then he destroys Nite Owl casually with a dish.
 
 
 
To sum this up, Ozymandias has a fair chance of winning here.
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#46  Edited By dane

nope.

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#47  Edited By Lunacyde  Moderator
@why so serious: None of these are feats Batman couldn't replicate.
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#48  Edited By Son_of_Magnus

Batman hooks him up with knock out gas and does not even have to engage him in physical contact
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#50  Edited By Rob7798

@the_creator:

Super late but Ozy with prep mainly due to the fact that he wouldn't have a problem killing Batman. He use whatever means it took to get the job done. Holding a bus full of kids hostage and spring a trap or whatever he'd do it.

Straight up fight I give the win to Bats. Batman is at least equal to if not greater a h2h fighter and he has his gadgets to seal the win.